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Question: Sept. 21 Closing Price:
$0 - 3 (3.2%)
<$8,000 - 5 (5.4%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 1 (1.1%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 2 (2.2%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 4 (4.3%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 6 (6.5%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 17 (18.3%)
$10,500-$11,000 - 19 (20.4%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 17 (18.3%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 6 (6.5%)
>$12,000 - 8 (8.6%)
>$20,000 - 5 (5.4%)
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December 05, 2018, 11:48:37 AM

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Not traded or withdrawn yet, but with a UK Bank a/c it looks like a damn fast way to get fiat in - you're loaded up in minutes.
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I have recently withdrawn strait to my uk bank account. It was about one hour to show in my uk account

Impressive.  Any other issues?
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December 05, 2018, 11:51:39 AM

https://twitter.com/btcking555/status/1070273504011005952

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Approached by an investor desperate to liquidate Bitmain shares at $1,5 bln valuation ! Thats almost 90 prc down-round from August !



https://twitter.com/btcking555/status/1070278748606472192

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With massive losses, Bitmain has no resources to support BCH. Illiquid BCH falls further hitting Bitmain balance sheet. Suppliers cut off credit lines & buyers wary to purchase equipment. IPO Canceled. Only solution - significant down round and VCs take over? Interesting to see!

 I hat hate to say it but it seems Roger Ver was right after all; babies are dying!  Well, at least Jihan Wu's and Micree Zhan's baby.  I wonder what the reincarnation of Bitmain will be called...

edit: I meant to type hate. Damn!  I have to lay off the hats for a while.

  

on the next growth of the crypto market they will have money, especially since they are already experienced 2014 and know what to do
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December 05, 2018, 12:01:08 PM
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If we get to $100k I may or may not hire a bunch of nerds to make a game with no regard for profit margins. I miss wasting my life in an MMO. The theme park shit we have today sucks ass.

And anywhere before that I'm looking forward to funding some basic research as well as handing out some scholarships to pay back for my free overseas holidays.

I actually do understand that if peeps are either 1) just getting into bitcoin or 2) they just got into bitcoin in supra $10k prices (or have supra $10k average costs per BTC), then they may feel that they need $100k-ish to "get rich", but even with those two conditions that I mention above, there are a large variety of scenarios that fall quite short of $100k that could facilitate really decent living and profits from BTC without necessarily having to reach $100k to achieve various levels of success.

Surely what you are suggesting, BTCMILLIONAIRE, seems to be a level of profit that you would realize in which you could really have icing on the cake, and even if such icing on the cake does not happen, there would likely be a large variety of BTC price performance scenarios that allow you to live quite comfortably (even if BTC does not cause you to have those various extra (still potential) bonuses).

Actually, I recall when BTC was in the $200s and my average cost per BTC was in the $500s.. I think there are several of us who HODLed and Accumulated BTC during those days, I thought that it would surely be nice to get at least to the break even point... and then in that kind of situation, bitcoin is merely serving as a long term store of value,  yet I still continued to think that even if BTC prices do not get above $500 again, I am still o.k. because I have not invested more than I can afford to lose, and I am willing to ride the whole thing down to zero.

Of course, now, for me, there is a lot of cushion and a lot of equity and surely the value of my total holdings does go down if BTC were to go down to zero from here, so yeah, maybe I can act a little bit smug about the whole thing.. yet I still am not really considering the whole situation for me to be vastly different from someone who is currently investing into BTC but has an average cost above $10k.. Every BTC they buy at these prices, brings down their average cost per BTC tremendously, and maybe they don't have a whole hell of a lot of spare cashflow to be monkeying around with, but still that goes to the situation of NOT investing more than you can afford to lose and being able to both ride out the long long term (including being able to pay all bills, have entertainment money, have an emergency fund) and if BTC prices were to go to zero, that long term investors should be ready, willing and able to ride it all the way down because of the way that they got into the investment and that they are not using money that they actually need in the shorter time frames that could last many many years 5-10 years or more. 

I surely don't believe that the chances are very high that what is beginning to seem like a bear market (and perhaps even bottoming out, but unsure) will last more than 2 years from here.... We seem to have really decent odds, especially the 2 years and longer time frame, even though nothing is guaranteed in bitcoinlandia.  By the way, I am picking the 2 years timeline because that is a bit more than 6 months after the May 2020-ish halvening, and even if there are all kinds of pressures to manipulate BTC prices down for the next several years, there comes into effect a kind of hard reality regarding the limited supply that will cause additional difficulties in continued attempts at forcing the price down and the effects become greater and greater felt as the increases of the supply are half of what they are now...  Block reward down from 12.5 BTC per block to 6.25 BTC per block.
I can already live off of my crypto earnings comfortably. The type of profits I suggested would be in a range where I could dump some 20~50m into the development of a game without even flinching about potentially never making it back. Basically make something that I really want to see but never find due to CEOs cutting costs and keeping everything in a bland cookie-cutter manner. Not that I blame them, they are a business after all and need to appease their investors, but I do miss the wonder that old games made by nerds with a passion for the craft brought about and would like to see it brought back with cutting edge tools over tiny indie games. It's nothing of importance, but something that would be fun if I somehow managed to make all the right moves by gitting gud or lucking out.
Scholarships are a different story, since you can start handing those out even without being filthy rich, so I'm looking forward to that at some point (after I feel like I've spent enough time researching how to best go about it). And funding research I have no clue about. I suppose funds for a tenure and some assistants for a few years would be a good start. Also doable in the foreseeable future and more practical.



As far as people who bought in above $10k goes. Most of them will only have fractions of Bitcoin and not much spare cash to buy any more than a few more fractions of, or one or two Bitcoins at best. So it'll be pretty hard for them to retire without Bitcoin ballooning well above $100k. They're also most likely going to be the type that will lose most or all of their stash by trading, which doesn't make it much easier.
There are also very promising altcoins that increasingly reveal themselves as unicorns, albeit with the obvious associated risks involved. Those could help an average pleb increase their Bitcoin stash considerably, beyond what would be possible by cost averaging, buying dips, or trading the BTC/USD pair. But that game requires hundreds of hours of research and ideally some previous experience with analyzing the unknown and should never be done with sizeable amounts of one's Bitcoin portfolio, especially without extensive experience. The "y house gone" memes are even more fitting here than for just Bitcoin.

Of course, getting into the game and sticking around religiously will help them, even if Bitcoin goes to zero. Because they would eventually have spent a considerable amount of time paying attention to markets and learning about investing money and seeing it grow, rather than waiting for their fiat to drop to half its value every so many years. And investing is pretty much what separates the average net worth individuals from high net worth ones, so losing money to learn this lesson is surely worth it as long as people heed the mantra of not burning money they need for bills and whatnot.
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December 05, 2018, 12:02:20 PM

Not sure if this was already posted, please don't kill the messenger as i don't agree with lots of these points.
However, this shows where institutional investors (aka hedgies) are on this.

https://twitter.com/DoveyWan/status/1068573163670261760

In short: institutionals are shell-shocked and bewildered.
My take home message from this particular tweetstorm: small size institutional money will not participate from now on.

TL;DR she predicts that, similarly to how internet happened, blockchain will eat the world, but somehow traditional players (Fidelity, Paypal, etc) would be the winners and we would be the losers.
I disagree, obviously.
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December 05, 2018, 12:06:55 PM

https://twitter.com/btcking555/status/1070273504011005952

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Approached by an investor desperate to liquidate Bitmain shares at $1,5 bln valuation ! Thats almost 90 prc down-round from August !



https://twitter.com/btcking555/status/1070278748606472192

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With massive losses, Bitmain has no resources to support BCH. Illiquid BCH falls further hitting Bitmain balance sheet. Suppliers cut off credit lines & buyers wary to purchase equipment. IPO Canceled. Only solution - significant down round and VCs take over? Interesting to see!

He's fucking cunt fudster in the crypto space. No use to see all of his tweets.
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December 05, 2018, 12:11:32 PM
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Not sure if this was already posted, please don't kill the messenger as i don't agree with lots of these points.
However, this shows where institutional investors (aka hedgies) are on this.

https://twitter.com/DoveyWan/status/1068573163670261760

In short: institutionals are shell-shocked and bewildered.
My take home message from this particular tweetstorm: small size institutional money will not participate from now on.

TL;DR she predicts that, similarly to how internet happened, blockchain will eat the world, but somehow traditional players (Fidelity, Paypal, etc) would be the winners and we would be the losers.
I disagree, obviously.
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"To conclude, the violent delight will have a violent end. Healthy consolidation and fundamental seeking will lead the industry to a eventual prosperity. We didn’t see another gold rush in internet after the http://dot.com  bubble, but internet eventually eats the world"

While she had lots of interesting points we DEFINITELY have not had the dotcom bubble equivalent yet.

In retrospect this bubble will be a footnote just as the 2013 bubble looks piddly now.

Big bucks have been paddling. They haven't dived in yet.

"1/ Bitmain failing in IPO or performing poorly post-IPO (which seem likely) is a strong bear signal indicating even the most profitable player in crypto isn't accepted in capital markets. Bitmain’s lack of steady EBITDA is unavoidable due to the volatile nature of the industry"

Bitmain's ruination is largely down their irrational masturbation surrounding Bcash. No business run by adults would've pulled any of that shit. It's another indication that we're still not out of amateur hour.
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Bitmain's ruination is largely down their irrational masturbation surrounding Bcash. No business run by adults would've pulled any of that shit. It's another indication that we're still not out of amateur hour.

That's the issue with a space like this, humans are fallible, power and money corrupts, greed sets in... these guys had their inner Sméagol activated and were not of sound enough mind or morals to withstand the forces that bore down on them, so they folded and went full Sméagol - all three of the douches, Rog, Jihan, Faketoshi, you can literally see the Sméagol oozing out of the pores of their personalities - its ugly.    

The whole idea of this is that we do not have to trust individuals like this (any individuals at all in fact)
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You guys are scaring the shit out of me with those $1K calls. If that happens, I will seriously consider breaking my own rules and take money from my (completely separated) other investments to buy much more. I hope not be put into that situation. I hate breaking my rules. They are for a reason.
Sounds like $30k by Spring 2018 calls to me.


Also, sounds like your rules just simply didn't consider a $1k event at all. Wink
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December 05, 2018, 12:43:39 PM

Bitcoin Difficulty vs Hashrate 2 Months



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December 05, 2018, 12:49:50 PM

Bitmain's ruination is largely down their irrational masturbation surrounding Bcash. No business run by adults would've pulled any of that shit. It's another indication that we're still not out of amateur hour.
Real rookie move to back BCH. very predatory of Ver.
Must remember their chip maker also left.
The guy who designed the chips.
they blew was it 600mn on failed wafers after that, couldn't make a goddam sha asic no more.
They were left like a car without an engine(  Wink to you know who you are). Not a real car.
hence^ hashrate drop/price drop, all miners fucked.
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December 05, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
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Just been to collect a bit of precious myself. Now off home to eat lots of junk food & get high!
Hope to see $4,000 again by the end of the day Smiley


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Ahh I miss it soo much. Moved to a country where possession is punishable by 12 years in prison.

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December 05, 2018, 12:57:14 PM

@kurious Nice, thanks. All looks good to me apart from the 10K limit. Do bitcoin withdrawals count against that as well?
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Just been to collect a bit of precious myself. Now off home to eat lots of junk food & get high!
Hope to see $4,000 again by the end of the day Smiley




so the white...... has been deleted for a few days, and the green has arrived  to recover and cool down for a few days Smiley
i don't smoke myself for years.... very very sometimes on a birthday for lulz, but not often and especially cause my last birthday i was so sick of booze and just 5 hits of a joint .... man you cannot imagine how i was feeling @that time
but short said i'm no SMOKER myself but i don't disapprove guys for smoking cause i do understand the fun of it as well Wink
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Jihan Wu got smeagolded ... just like all the others who's egos let them think they were bigger than the Bitcoin ...

the list is getting quite long ... notably

Mark K.
Gavin A.
Mike H.
Roger V.
Jihan W.

plus others too numerable to mention that have presented themselves as lab rats for the slaughter.

Nakamoto was very wise/humble to realise he had created something bigger than themself and let it be ...

noone is bigger than the coin, that is fundamental to how it works
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December 05, 2018, 01:00:04 PM

@kurious Nice, thanks. All looks good to me apart from the 10K limit. Do bitcoin withdrawals count against that as well?

(protip - its really easy to up the daily withdraw limit to 100K or 250K (probably more but never tried) simply ask, and yee will be granted, there is an option to increase limits in the withdraw section)
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Just been to collect a bit of precious myself. Now off home to eat lots of junk food & get high!
Hope to see $4,000 again by the end of the day Smiley




so the white...... has been deleted for a few days, and the green has arrived  to recover and cool down for a few days Smiley
i don't smoke myself for years.... very very sometimes on a birthday for lulz, but not often and especially cause my last birthday i was so sick of booze and just 5 hits of a joint .... man you cannot imagine how i was feeling @that time
but short said i'm no SMOKER myself but i don't disapprove guys for smoking cause i do understand the fun of it as well Wink

I really should live a clean life. Maybe when BTC moons.
Sorry for the OT guys!
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