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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 10 (6.8%)
H2 2019 - 15 (10.2%)
H1 2020 - 28 (19%)
H2 2020 - 26 (17.7%)
H1 2021 - 12 (8.2%)
H2 2021 - 28 (19%)
H1 2022 - 6 (4.1%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.7%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 3 (2%)
2024 or Later - 15 (10.2%)
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December 18, 2018, 11:51:56 AM

1 F***ing small, tiny pump
and already getting messages of the n00bs, are you still in BTC, how to make an account etc
what am i gonna do Wink Cheesy

FOMO rising ?

Excellent.

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December 18, 2018, 12:03:18 PM

We're still at accumulation prices. Nowhere close to FOMO prices yet.

This is the time when you should recommend to people you actually care about to get into Bitcoin. Not just buy but understand it. (ie...send them a link to the white paper).

When the price shoots up and you start getting e-mails from people asking if they should get into "crypto", politely point them to some videos about the Federal Reserve, Austrian economics, etc. Then if they're still interested (knowing they get it)...then show them the white paper.
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December 18, 2018, 12:09:25 PM

people you actually care about

this is going to be a problem
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December 18, 2018, 12:13:24 PM

i will love the moment when we take off again and the naysayers,nocoiners that all where going to BUY @ 5000-4000-3500-3000-2500 etc
are going to be left alone again
GoGoGoGo BTCBTCBTCBTC

I'm all-in in this one mate. So if you don't mind, I'm trying to get the maximum out of it.
I'm not a whale, so buying at any price isn't a thing (holding to be exact).

I truly think that during the 1st quarter of 2019 will be the best time to buy - pretty much for the whole year for that matter - as is also now.
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December 18, 2018, 12:21:13 PM

Even tho I think we might go a little lower still, could not resist to buy some. It's a steal no matter what, compared to what's coming. And had some fiat to spare, so...
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December 18, 2018, 12:34:32 PM

Purple line is MA Weekly 200.  Thicker purple line is projection.



Emptying out my Bitmex account and sending to cold storage.  My work here is done.  

Move a bit up and to the left the 2014 projection and you have a perfect match.

If you leave it as it is, theres one painfull wick down in the play.. which we dont want/need.. (pleeease)
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December 18, 2018, 12:50:17 PM

Purple line is MA Weekly 200.  Thicker purple line is projection.



Emptying out my Bitmex account and sending to cold storage.  My work here is done.  

Move a bit up and to the left the 2014 projection and you have a perfect match.

If you leave it as it is, theres one painfull wick down in the play.. which we dont want/need.. (pleeease)

I think the most important thing we can learn from the bear market from 2014 is that Bitcoin died and was never heard from again. We all packed our bags and bought war bonds and got government jobs. Some of us ran for office where the real change takes place.

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December 18, 2018, 12:54:04 PM



This is the time when you should recommend to people you actually care about to get into Bitcoin. Not just buy but understand it. (ie...send them a link to the white paper).


Tried that many years ago, didn't work then, wont work now. Their loss.
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December 18, 2018, 01:03:06 PM



This is the time when you should recommend to people you actually care about to get into Bitcoin. Not just buy but understand it. (ie...send them a link to the white paper).


Tried that many years ago, didn't work then, wont work now. Their loss.

Yep. I used to point people to Coinbase just because most people asking are not very knowledgable so Coinbase is an easy way in.

Now I'll just send a link to the white paper. They will likely never ask again.
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December 18, 2018, 01:14:52 PM

We're still at accumulation prices. Nowhere close to FOMO prices yet.

This is the time when you should recommend to people you actually care about to get into Bitcoin. Not just buy but understand it. (ie...send them a link to the white paper).

When the price shoots up and you start getting e-mails from people asking if they should get into "crypto", politely point them to some videos about the Federal Reserve, Austrian economics, etc. Then if they're still interested (knowing they get it)...then show them the white paper.

This is absolute right, there are many i care about that own BTC, as there are many i care about that absolutely doesn’t belief in BTC, few of them i Will see next monday Roll Eyes
Yeah we Will always have naysayers but i wouldn’t mind it when they doesn’t wanna argue that its a scam or invisible worthless money etc, if there are people prefer to buy other things i do understand that, cause people have to feel comfortable with there investments
As long when they don’t make pointless assumptions/prejudices Then i don’t mind to much, but when they do laugh about BTC etc and i ASK for strong facts about what they say ..... no one can answer no more Roll Eyes
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December 18, 2018, 01:24:03 PM

This is the time when you should recommend to people you actually care about to get into Bitcoin. Not just buy but understand it. (ie...send them a link to the white paper).
Tried that many years ago, didn't work then, wont work now. Their loss.

It is very hard - if not impossible - to suggest/convince people that have no relative back-round specs, to go into BTC.
Partly because of it's social nature, and partly because it's very difficult to really understand. It requires effort & time, and usually both of these are limited.
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This is the time when you should recommend to people you actually care about to get into Bitcoin. Not just buy but understand it. (ie...send them a link to the white paper).


Tried that many years ago, didn't work then, wont work now. Their loss.

Yep. I used to point people to Coinbase just because most people asking are not very knowledgable so Coinbase is an easy way in.

Now I'll just send a link to the white paper. They will likely never ask again.

I explained Bitcoin fundamentals to my accountant. She knew nothing about it (or IT for that matter), but an hour later she was intrigued...

Tried explaining it to my coworker who is also a developer like myself. He knew a few things. A few things wrong. Refused to forget them and listen. I gave up after 15 minutes...
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December 18, 2018, 01:33:04 PM

du fomo: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-18/crypto-mystery-clues-suggest-tether-has-the-billions-it-promised
et du fud: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-18/pros-are-ditching-bitcoin-market-as-interest-ebbs-jpmorgan-says
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This is the time when you should recommend to people you actually care about to get into Bitcoin. Not just buy but understand it. (ie...send them a link to the white paper).
Tried that many years ago, didn't work then, wont work now. Their loss.

I do not think it is a good idea to convince people to invest in anything.

Taking care of your money if your own responsibility, and it is a very personal decision. If someone asks my opinion, I will tell them. But gathering people to invest in BTC is risky, and it may cause problems in your personal life. A Friend or family member may make wrong decisions and lose money , and he will blame you.

For any kind of investment... Investment advice usually ends bad.

You could and should give certain people, who are interested, some information, and reading material. So they can make their own decisions
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December 18, 2018, 01:43:34 PM

https://www.bitcoincashlitigation.com/

stupid but funny

unrelatedly  Roll Eyes hodl meme is 5 years old today https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0
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December 18, 2018, 01:45:07 PM

I've been finding myself in quite a few deeper conversations lately about general state of the world and future speculation although I'm extremely hesitant to mention bitcoin for whatever reason. If I do, suddenly I morph into 18 year old Elder John bringing the good word to the world one doorstep at a time.   Can't be having that nonsense so I've been practicing speaking about my convictions without mentioning bitcoin or crypto. At least until they bring it up.   Cool
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December 18, 2018, 01:52:29 PM

Here is an interesting opinion of Jim Rogers (which I completely disagree with, but i always like to listen to what opponents say):

https://youtu.be/tNSXWkApxU8?t=410

He basically says that if bitcoin/crypto would be successful, government can simply abolish it like England abolished scrip in the 30ies by making trading NOT in Bank of England notes (pounds) a TREASON.
Don't simply dismiss this, hopefully, wrong notion because he is an old fogie since this is Jim Rogers, again, who happens to know about commodity markets quite a bit.
He is not short, but not long either and acknowledges that he might be wrong in his skepticism.

I think that he is wrong because bitcoin provides a standard/reference point, is apolitical and not 'owned' by a particular government plus could accelerate the commerce in due course.
Being neutral would make it resistant to the moves that he described, unless there is cooperation among G20.
What do you guys think?

This would require a collaborate effort by every single government in the world of Economies that actually matter. Otherwise there will be individual countries not going that route, which would simply cause the windfall to exclusively benefit those that do not treat freedom of choice as treason.

In short, interesting to think about, but almost surely irrelevant when it comes to realistic outcomes.
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December 18, 2018, 01:56:04 PM

Here is an interesting opinion of Jim Rogers (which I completely disagree with, but i always like to listen to what opponents say):

https://youtu.be/tNSXWkApxU8?t=410

He basically says that if bitcoin/crypto would be successful, government can simply abolish it like England abolished scrip in the 30ies by making trading NOT in Bank of England notes (pounds) a TREASON.
Don't simply dismiss this, hopefully, wrong notion because he is an old fogie since this is Jim Rogers, again, who happens to know about commodity markets quite a bit.
He is not short, but not long either and acknowledges that he might be wrong in his skepticism.

I think that he is wrong because bitcoin provides a standard/reference point, is apolitical and not 'owned' by a particular government plus could accelerate the commerce in due course.
Being neutral would make it resistant to the moves that he described, unless there is cooperation among G20.
What do you guys think?

This would require a collaborate effort by every single government in the world of Economies that actually matter. Otherwise there will be individual countries not going that route, which would simply cause the windfall to exclusively benefit those that do not treat freedom of choice as treason.

In short, interesting to think about, but almost surely irrelevant when it comes to realistic outcomes.
It is somewhat impractical to get every country to act together. onth UK and many places already have anti-extremism type laws against doing anything that threatens economic stability. They might be able to use that against us, even though it's what they actually do themselves all day every day.
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December 18, 2018, 01:56:28 PM

So Bitcoin rises by ~2% after falling ~84% and somehow everyone thinks that this bear market is over?

(0.02 * 19,666)= ~$400 + 3122= ~3500.



I also believe that the next intermediary top will be around 23-25 of December. Good chart.
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December 18, 2018, 01:57:33 PM

So Bitcoin rises by ~2% after falling ~84% and somehow everyone thinks that this bear market is over?

(0.02 * 19,666)= ~$400 + 3122= ~3500.



I also believe that the next intermediary top will be around 23-25 of December. Good chart.

It’s ok the bear market is over
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