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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 12 (7.7%)
H2 2019 - 16 (10.3%)
H1 2020 - 29 (18.6%)
H2 2020 - 28 (17.9%)
H1 2021 - 12 (7.7%)
H2 2021 - 31 (19.9%)
H1 2022 - 6 (3.8%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.6%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 3 (1.9%)
2024 or Later - 15 (9.6%)
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Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

Unintentionally appear to have hit a sore spot
It appears to me that some people in this thread are projecting a little too much.

JBreher seems to me to be one of the few people in here who can have arguments without getting emotional. I certainly don't agree with him on the BTC vs BSV matter, and likely on many other issues. But he sure seems like a person that is worth talking to, as he's clearly capable of keeping an open mind without acting as if - or even worse, believing that - everybody who brings up points he doesn't like is his enemy.

So fucking what?  In 2014/15 Jstolfi participated in this thread a lot too, and he had good manners too, and he really did not deserve to be defended for his purported reasonable and trollish arguments against bitcoin.

Yeah, fair enough that jbreher does not devolve into too much emotions, but he is surely fair game for attack.. especially his ideas and approach that frequently could mislead folks. 

I will concede that every once in a while jbreher makes some decent points regarding investment style, planning and tactics and even sometimes (rarely) conceding that some bcash dynamics are not really going as well as anticipated, but he also is more than fair game - largely for his ideas, not whether he is a good person or not.... Actually, I will also concede that I would rather sit down and argue with him over a beer regarding his dumb ideas than some other members who might be pro-bitcoin, yet unable to control their emotions or to control when their ideas get attacked... so that is definitely a sign of jbreher's maturity in that regard (even if he might be a grandpa bot with bad circuits).. but again, his stupid ass ideas of defending bcash and BIG BLOCKERS are more than fair game as a constant justification to denigrate him, rather than putting him on a pedestal.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Yes, Sue was my original avatar before the mutant fish. She's my kind of gal. You just can't go wrong with Sue. Thanks again xhomerx10!! Smiley

I want to know more about this Sue gal.  I may be missing one of the secrets of a possibly more content existence, especially if I don't know about sue, beyond Johnny Cash having had written a song that had such resentment towards such name for a boy.

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bch will disappear too if bitcoin makes a big block
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 According to my vacation schedule, I'm running a little ahead of time.  Choo! Choo!

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Yes, Sue was my original avatar before the mutant fish. She's my kind of gal. You just can't go wrong with Sue. Thanks again xhomerx10!! Smiley

I want to know more about this Sue gal.  I may be missing one of the secrets of a possibly more content existence, especially if I don't know about sue, beyond Johnny Cash having had written a song that had such resentment towards such name for a boy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_(dinosaur)

Oh?  So, with the new hat, Homer was bringing you back to some variation of your original avatar? 
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

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They use these six entangled photons to create two alternate realities—one representing Wigner and one representing Wigner’s friend. Wigner’s friend measures the polarization of a photon and stores the result. Wigner then performs an interference measurement to determine if the measurement and the photon are in a superposition.

The experiment produces an unambiguous result. It turns out that both realities can coexist even though they produce irreconcilable outcomes, just as Wigner predicted.


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March 14, 2019, 05:54:05 AM

Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

Unintentionally appear to have hit a sore spot
It appears to me that some people in this thread are projecting a little too much.

JBreher seems to me to be one of the few people in here who can have arguments without getting emotional. I certainly don't agree with him on the BTC vs BSV matter, and likely on many other issues. But he sure seems like a person that is worth talking to, as he's clearly capable of keeping an open mind without acting as if - or even worse, believing that - everybody who brings up points he doesn't like is his enemy.

So fucking what?  In 2014/15 Jstolfi participated in this thread a lot too, and he had good manners too, and he really did not deserve to be defended for his purported reasonable and trollish arguments against bitcoin.

Yeah, fair enough that jbreher does not devolve into too much emotions, but he is surely fair game for attack.. especially his ideas and approach that frequently could mislead folks.  

I will concede that every once in a while jbreher makes some decent points regarding investment style, planning and tactics and even sometimes (rarely) conceding that some bcash dynamics are not really going as well as anticipated, but he also is more than fair game - largely for his ideas, not whether he is a good person or not.... Actually, I will also concede that I would rather sit down and argue with him over a beer regarding his dumb ideas than some other members who might be pro-bitcoin, yet unable to control their emotions or to control when their ideas get attacked... so that is definitely a sign of jbreher's maturity in that regard (even if he might be a grandpa bot with bad circuits).. but again, his stupid ass ideas of defending bcash and BIG BLOCKERS are more than fair game as a constant justification to denigrate him, rather than putting him on a pedestal.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I'm not talking about manners here. I don't fucking care what kind of fucking language use or how you fucking act while presenting an argument. It's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism. But I suppose I might be in the minority when saying that truth should be the one thing humans should never compromise on, unless it is to literally save their lives. Although you appear to be in the same boat based on the fact that you seem to not rule out sitting down with JB over his opposing stances.
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/
Should be self-evident when looking at literally any conversation. Also what I have been saying for a long fucking time. Schools brainwash people into thinking there is such a thing as an "objective reality", when that is merely a useful tool or approach when looking for solutions.

Also why I keep nitpicking on virtually every topic, and certainly not because I want our wildlife to get wiped out as some twits here keep pretending.
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

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They use these six entangled photons to create two alternate realities—one representing Wigner and one representing Wigner’s friend. Wigner’s friend measures the polarization of a photon and stores the result. Wigner then performs an interference measurement to determine if the measurement and the photon are in a superposition.

The experiment produces an unambiguous result. It turns out that both realities can coexist even though they produce irreconcilable outcomes, just as Wigner predicted.


Could be used in an argument with a spouse/gf? ....Nah.

Hah!  Indeed, its funny you brought this up...I was going to whip it out during that little spat I was having with btcmillionaire. I demand Wigner testing!
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

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They use these six entangled photons to create two alternate realities—one representing Wigner and one representing Wigner’s friend. Wigner’s friend measures the polarization of a photon and stores the result. Wigner then performs an interference measurement to determine if the measurement and the photon are in a superposition.

The experiment produces an unambiguous result. It turns out that both realities can coexist even though they produce irreconcilable outcomes, just as Wigner predicted.


Could be used in an argument with a spouse/gf? ....Nah.

Hah!  Indeed, its funny you brought this up...I was going to whip it out during that little spat I was having with btcmillionaire. I demand Wigner testing!
You sure should bring that up. Because you act as if you found "the" truth by personally attacking me. I'm literally establishing that we don't have found any such thing and that we should keep looking for all aspects of the problem to better understand the situation.
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Does the intercept of the exponent and logarithmic regression curves represents the likely future peak (at around 80K)?

That $80k peak makes me drool.



I also expect the top to be at between $80k and 100k and time frame looks alright too. 2022 is also pretty OK for me.

If you haven't yet, you should also see Trace Mayer's interview from 21st Feb '19.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC5im-hiHXo

The institutional money is still not in the game and they won't be till they fix the legal stuff. Be glad, even at these price levels, we are still the early adopters.

"Proof of keys" is going to end up WAAAAAAY more important than most think.  Because eventually it will be a tradition that will DESTROY the institutional "taming" of Bitcoin.

The first one was just for fun really... but Coinbase moved 3 billion dollars because of the first one of these.

In years to come this event will prove to be a HUGE wake up call for institutions.

PS.  You want to be holding your own keys before AND after this event.
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I'm not talking about manners here. I don't fucking care what kind of fucking language use or how you fucking act while presenting an argument.

Hahahahhaha

Did you get enough "fuck(s)" in there to make your point?

It's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism.

Sounds like you are getting emotional yourself about a certain kind of style.  I was attempting to talk about jbreher's substance, and I guess I was kind of agreeing with you that he is likeable... but I completely agree that jbreher is worhty to be attacked (because of his ideas and even if sometimes some of the attacks go overboard or are not fair)...  Anyhow, I have not seen too many attacks against jbreher that have gone too far... Not yet, anyhow... unless you want to point out an example of an attack against jbreher that went too far or that he did not deserve.

But I suppose I might be in the minority when saying that truth should be the one thing humans should never compromise on, unless it is to literally save their lives.

I will agree that there is a certain value to truth and genuineness, and jbreher is actually guilty of being disingenuous more than any attacks that I have seen against him.   Furthermore, your seeming attempt to cling onto "truth," and to suggest that some attacks against jbreher are not valid because they are not sufficiently true is coming off as way too abstract to my thinking.  By the way, in 2014 and 2015, purported professor jstolfi used to post in this thread about a lot of ideas and pie in the sky speculations that contained a lot of truths, too, but he was still a fucking relentless troll that camouflaged his bullshit with politeness, academic posturing and misleading by outlining scenarios that had about a snowflake's chance in hill of happening as if they were highly probable... which distracts and misleads people... . and also got real old and repetitious, even if there was some truth and politeness to his ongoing misleading bullshit posts.

Although you appear to be in the same boat based on the fact that you seem to not rule out sitting down with JB over his opposing stances.

I agree with you on some aspects of what you are saying, but I don't really see jbreher being unfairly treated here.  Jbreher frequently defends his position, and is allowed to defend his position, even though a large number of members here will point out the various ways that they disagree with him... in other words, I think that he gets plenty of time, and I don't really agree with defending him as either some kind of victim or as if he is being treated unfairly... again, there might be some instances that you could point out, and I may agree, but no instances are coming to mind for me at this moment.
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They don't like bitcoin because they think it should be called "money" only if there is a central bank printing it.

If a CB acknowledged btc as money, it would be like signing their own death certificate.
I wish we could just let them have the term "money". And then laugh at them for being so antiquated. But I suppose money used to have value when it was backed by something other than promises, so can't really spin up that route.
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Imposter!!!!!!!


If there is no "weeeee" in your post, then you are not "4 reals."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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You sure should bring that up. Because you act as if you found "the" truth by personally attacking me. I'm literally establishing that we don't have found any such thing and that we should keep looking for all aspects of the problem to better understand the situation.

hrmmm..   ...Nah.

Whilst I agree reluctantly with your premise..you personally paint too easy of a target and I choose not to resist my baser instincts.
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Imposter!!!!!!!


If there is no "weeeee" in your post, then you are not "4 reals."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

you even bitcorn brvh?..where adam? weeeeee

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I'm not talking about manners here. I don't fucking care what kind of fucking language use or how you fucking act while presenting an argument.

Hahahahhaha

Did you get enough "fuck(s)" in there to make your point?

It's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism.

Sounds like you are getting emotional yourself about a certain kind of style.  I was attempting to talk about jbreher's substance, and I guess I was kind of agreeing with you that he is likeable... but I completely agree that jbreher is worhty to be attacked (because of his ideas and even if sometimes some of the attacks go overboard or are not fair)...  Anyhow, I have not seen too many attacks against jbreher that have gone too far... Not yet, anyhow... unless you want to point out an example of an attack against jbreher that went too far or that he did not deserve.
Like I said, I don't care about the medium of delivery.
Flowery words to me are no more than a different language that employs words of other languages. Fucking = very, retarded = mindless. I personally prefer using strong language because I've grown up in that kind of environment, so sticking with it reduces friction of communication for me.
I use it with a smile on my face, unless some dumbass is in front of me that would get physical because his tiny dick would fall off otherwise. Or in professional settings. Obviously not going to go around swearing around professors, except for the two that swear along with me. And in some situations strong language is simply the way to go, namely when an objective debate can't be had because you're being attacked. Then you need to flat out obliterate the idiot to make sure that at least the environment picks up on their lack of rationality and composure.

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I will agree that there is a certain value to truth and genuineness, and jbreher is actually guilty of being disingenuous more than any attacks that I have seen against him.   Furthermore, your seeming attempt to cling onto "truth," and to suggest that some attacks against jbreher are not valid because they are not sufficiently true is coming off as way too abstract to my thinking.  By the way, in 2014 and 2015, purported professor jstolfi used to post in this thread about a lot of ideas and pie in the sky speculations that contained a lot of truths, too, but he was still a fucking relentless troll that camouflaged his bullshit with politeness, academic posturing and misleading by outlining scenarios that had about a snowflake's chance in hill of happening as if they were highly probable... which distracts and misleads people... . and also got real old and repetitious, even if there was some truth and politeness to his ongoing misleading bullshit posts.
I don't read every post in this thread, but I see him dealing with the same issue I do in some of the debates here mainly because he's a believer in BCash. Namely people not listening and making up shit on either of our behalf and then derailing themselves from there while trying to claim some fictive moral high ground.

If I caught him making the same kind of argument and had the capacity to identify it as such I would at the very least think the same about his remarks as I've stated here. I simply don't know Bitcoin in-depth enough to make comparisons of the technological aspects, and neither do most of the people here who just repeat talking points. I'll gladly be the first to say that I support Bitcoin Core because of the type of people BCash mostly attracts. Jbreher appears to be a strange exception on this, so I am at least willing to concede that there might be some merit to his claims.

By the way. I would sit down with whatever people would generally be considered "deplorable" and have an argument (= discussion) with them if I knew that it'd be safe for me to do so. I like learning from people, even if I would celebrate their departure from earth in a casket (which really would take some Hitler or ISIS level idiot, or some child rapist or God knows what sort of menace).

If you can't talk to people you disagree with without just focusing on how you could somehow "get at them" or further your own agenda you clearly have no position worth defending or position that you're capable of defending and haven't learned a single damn thing from life. Such a person is just an infantile ape in an adult body.

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I agree with you on some aspects of what you are saying, but I don't really see jbreher being unfairly treated here.  Jbreher frequently defends his position, and is allowed to defend his position, even though a large number of members here will point out the various ways that they disagree with him... in other words, I think that he gets plenty of time, and I don't really agree with defending him as either some kind of victim or as if he is being treated unfairly... again, there might be some instances that you could point out, and I may agree, but no instances are coming to mind for me at this moment.
I couldn't care less about defending Jbreher, he can do that himself if he feels the need to. I'm merely talking about the fact that some people make up shit while acting as if they weren't.
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You sure should bring that up. Because you act as if you found "the" truth by personally attacking me. I'm literally establishing that we don't have found any such thing and that we should keep looking for all aspects of the problem to better understand the situation.

hrmmm..   ...Nah.

Whilst I agree reluctantly with your premise..you personally paint too easy of a target and I choose not to resist my baser instincts.
You're the most delusional person I have talked to in a while. Are you deliberating or do you lack the level of self-control required to put reason over ego and emotion? Or perhaps you are one of those small amygdala cases Ibian provided me with sources for and simply aren't capable of seeing your own intellectual laziness, dishonesty and hypocrisy?

Sure doesn't seem like you have the capacity to resist any of your baser instincts, other than not throwing a rage fit and breaking your inventory perhaps.


P.S. The sheer fact that you "reluctantly" agree with "my" premise of keeping an open mind says everything that anyone would ever need to know about your current infantile mentality.
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