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CBOE has stopped offering futures because of low volume.

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March 15, 2019, 12:12:57 PM

As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.
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As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
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March 15, 2019, 12:23:10 PM

PuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumP

CBOE has stopped offering futures because of low volume.

Good news.

Good riddance!
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March 15, 2019, 12:26:18 PM

PuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumP

CBOE has stopped offering futures because of low volume.

Good news.

Good riddance!

Nah, if you refuse to participate in their rigged casino, they will simply do an under the table hostile takeover of places like BitFinex and Binance to control the price there.  Hell, they might already be running BitFinex.  We already know the price is controlled by a single entity there.  It's either the Bitfinex owners themselves, Bitmain, or one of the too big to jail banks/ESF.
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As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.
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March 15, 2019, 12:30:38 PM

Hot take on the NZ shooting by an Australian Senator.

FWIW, I am of the opinion Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western values.


Has there been a massive MSM outrage yet? Against the letter?
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March 15, 2019, 12:31:47 PM

As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.

I'm not sure how you don't understand the cities turn into cannibalistic warzones soon as the just in time delivery economy fails.  You also don't seem to understand there are ENORMOUS problems in the oil industry where you will probably see extreme shortages and/or prices in the near future as well.  I think you need $100+ a barrel oil just for exploration to be viable at all.  The industry hasn't even been looking for replacements for the stuff we're using in a LONG TIME.  Much of the problems coming are going to be based in the oil sector.  Probably why Trump is trying to invade Venezeula and steal theirs.
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March 15, 2019, 12:35:12 PM

Near as I can tell both the extreme left (Stalin) and the extreme right (Sparta, no modern analogues exist) are authoritarian. Personal liberty can only exist between those extremes, in times of peace.
I agree with PoliticalCompass: one axis (authoritarian/libertarian) is not enough to pinpoint a political position, not even a meaningful approximation.

I took their test some years ago, and I remember where I was placed by it (well, more or less). I'll retake it soon, just to see if my position has changed.
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Periodic reminder about this realr0ach person:
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Just be advised there is not one original thought being expressed here; it has all been discussed, agreed and even acted upon by OG bitcoiners. They put it all much better, and without the divisive nonsense he advocates.
I make no claim to originality myself, and I can only advise the reader to read around to find out what is real and what is likely to happen.
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Periodic reminder about this realr0ach person:
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Just be advised there is not one original thought being expressed here; it has all been discussed, agreed and even acted upon by OG bitcoiners.

Nice try Trilemma shill, digital shitcoin scammer.  Who else on the entire planet besides me do you see referencing people like Plato and Aristotle's arguments on economics and constrasting them vs the fundamentals of bitcoin (or in this case, the complete lack thereof because Aristotle was right and Plato was a Keynesian)?  You Trilemma douchebags are complete hacks.  

The vast majority of what I type is completely original while all you people do is pretend to be some type of elitists but fail at it while shilling for scams to try and enrich yourselves.  You do not tell the truth about anything. You are virtually identical to a CNBC host.  Metals are objectively superior to shitcoins and no amount of lies from you will change that.  Fun fact!  I do NOT even want any of you to sell a single shitcoin.  Allowing a whale to accumulate lets them manipulate the market higher in a pump and dump.  The more you scammers 'HODL' the more we can watch this shit drop to zero and metals defeat them.
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March 15, 2019, 12:50:47 PM

As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.

I'm not sure how you don't understand the cities turn into cannibalistic warzones soon as the just in time delivery economy fails.  You also don't seem to understand there are ENORMOUS problems in the oil industry where you will probably see extreme shortages and/or prices in the near future as well.  I think you need $100+ a barrel oil just for exploration to be viable at all.  The industry hasn't even been looking for replacements for the stuff we're using in a LONG TIME.  Much of the problems coming are going to be based in the oil sector.  Probably why Trump is trying to invade Venezeula and steal theirs.
Who cares about oil when you have nuclear power to fuel electric motors? There are solutions to those problems. You just need some space and resources. Things might not be pretty, but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

Nuclear power plants can also be made vastly more efficient than they are now. The tech used in current ones is the same that was used to nuke places and people and not optimized for usable energy output.
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Periodic reminder about this realr0ach person:
You may be skimming through some of his stuff and thinking 'oh this part makes sense, he has a point there'.
Just be advised there is not one original thought being expressed here; it has all been discussed, agreed and even acted upon by OG bitcoiners.

Nice try Trilemma shill, digital shitcoin scammer.  Who else on the entire planet besides me do you see referencing people like Plato and Aristotle's arguments on economics and constrasting them vs the fundamentals of bitcoin (or in this case, the complete lack thereof because Aristotle was right and Plato was a Keynesian)?  You Trilemma douchebags are complete hacks.  

The vast majority of what I type is completely original while all you people do is pretend to be some type of elitists but fail at it while shilling for scams to try and enrich yourselves.  You do not tell the truth about anything. You are virtually identical to a CNBC host.  Metals are objectively superior to shitcoins and no amount of lies from you will change that.  Fun fact!  I do NOT even want any of you to sell a single shitcoin.  Allowing a whale to accumulate lets them manipulate the market higher in a pump and dump.  The more you scammers 'HODL' the more we can watch this shit drop to zero and metals defeat them.
Hitler was a mix of left and right. Politically as well as personally. This makes him the perfect political scapegoat for both sides.

Huh. Content changed since I clicked. Oh well, you know what you wrote.
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In Belgium i never (almost never) sleep before 2 am on holiday i’m always preparing for bed @ +- 9 -10 PM

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So I visited https://www.politicalcompass.org to gauge my current position.

I think their characterization of the historical 20th century nationalistic right is wrong. They say Hitler wasn't that much of a right wing man economically (which I agree with), but they place Mussolini at the extreme economic right, which isn't accurate. Both leaders were socialists at heart, especially the Italian guy - who influenced and contributed to shape the German's view on economics.

I agree with V8 that the questions are too generic - and often ambiguous, as others have pointed out. Just some fun game, that's all. And the spectrum is too limited. I was expecting I'd be placed closer to center on both axes. As the test is right now, I found out I'm in the same spot as Bernie Sanders. When I took the test a few years ago, Sanders wasn't even a thing, but the general area was similar. Champagne socialists* unite!

https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-5.4&soc=-5.69


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March 15, 2019, 12:55:36 PM

Hot take on the NZ shooting by an Australian Senator.

FWIW, I am of the opinion Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western values.


Has there been a massive MSM outrage yet? Against the letter?

Far right, hardcore anti-immigration senator from Australia? Unlikely there will be.

But the idea that somehow immigrants are responsible for their own unprovoked, cold-blooded murder is fucking sickening.
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March 15, 2019, 12:57:22 PM

but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

I'm not worried about civil war whatsoever.  The only thing to worry about is the collapse of the oil industry or debt based monetary scam system will cause the just in time delivery economy to fail, maybe even on a global basis, which probably results in the death of millions or billions of people and something resembling a zombie apocalypse.  The financial aspect of that doomsday event can be averted simply by revaluing metals to what they should be and going back to a metals based monetary system.  As for the oil part, we'll see what happens there.  Looks like Trump will try to 'commandere' some Venezeula oil.
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Periodic reminder about this realr0ach person:
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Just be advised there is not one original thought being expressed here; it has all been discussed, agreed and even acted upon by OG bitcoiners. They put it all much better, and without the divisive nonsense he advocates.
I make no claim to originality myself, and I can only advise the reader to read around to find out what is real and what is likely to happen.
Oh in my mind I have very little doubt that, while we'll have some serious problems to face, life as a whole will get much better for everyone who deserves it. But as I've said earlier, I argue for points I don't believe in sometimes as an exercise. Similarly I talk to people whose position I almost surely won't share to draw out questions I won't ask myself otherwise.


Here is what I see happening. We will relatively soon get to a point where people will be able to create their vision at will (at first digitally only), and value will be derived based on how capable a person is to create an experience of interest to others. Some will choose to just consume in our world of abundance and do nothing else (enjoy the show). Others will choose to compete in creating the most interesting experiences of all kind, or just do it because they enjoy the creative process.
Given the current trajectory and all the developments I've been following in science and tech I have almost no doubt that we're heading into at least a quasi-utopia. The only potential cockblock I see to this is an asteroid or some other natural disaster that would wipe humanity out entirely or somehow wipe out all of our knowledge. There will still be people complaining and conspiracy crafting, but that's just the fundamental nature of being at play, and not an actual issue. Matter tries to bond in all possible permutations, some are stable, some aren't. Some like each other and compound, some don't. Humans are just an extension of this.

On the path to that there will be a gap between people who choose to stay within virtual realities, and others who will be trying to avoid those or otherwise create the technology necessary to have the same level of freedom VR will offer in the physical world.

And once we get bored of all that we'll realize that we've been there before and hit the reset button. Then the whole debacle will start over with results differing in appearance but not in fundamental quality.
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As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.

I'm not sure how you don't understand the cities turn into cannibalistic warzones soon as the just in time delivery economy fails.  You also don't seem to understand there are ENORMOUS problems in the oil industry where you will probably see extreme shortages and/or prices in the near future as well.  I think you need $100+ a barrel oil just for exploration to be viable at all.  The industry hasn't even been looking for replacements for the stuff we're using in a LONG TIME.  Much of the problems coming are going to be based in the oil sector.  Probably why Trump is trying to invade Venezeula and steal theirs.
Who cares about oil when you have nuclear power to fuel electric motors? There are solutions to those problems. You just need some space and resources. Things might not be pretty, but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

Nuclear power plants can also be made vastly more efficient than they are now. The tech used in current ones is the same that was used to nuke places and people and not optimized for usable energy output.

Japan is faking its friendliness.

They don't like foreigners at all. While I agree Japan isn't China, I still wouldn't place it too far away from China.

Japan will never give you a Japanese passport even when you marry a Japanese girl. Doesn't matter how long you lived in Japan or what education you got. They don't care about your net worth neither.

If things suddenly  go south, Japan might surprise you.

There isn't a single safe country left on earth.
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but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

I'm not worried about civil war whatsoever.  The only thing to worry about is the collapse of the oil industry or debt based monetary scam system will cause the just in time delivery economy to fail, maybe even on a global basis, which probably results in the death of millions or billions of people and something resembling a zombie apocalypse.  The financial aspect of that doomsday event can be averted simply by revaluing metals to what they should be and going back to a metals based monetary system.  As for the oil part, we'll see what happens there.  Looks like Trump will try to 'commandere' some Venezeula oil.
Oil is irrelevant. Oil is being used because it's the status quo. There are plenty of options to it that will get adopted at a speed none of us can even imagine if the necessity and economic incentives arise.

Monetary systems have been collapsing for all of human history as well, with no significant impact to speak of as of today. And Bitcoin, as much as you hate it, is at least one solid solution that is already taking the first steps to replacing the fiat scam.

I can see the appeal of metals. But in the digital age they're just simply not efficient and friction-less enough to be worth the trouble.
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