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Question: What year will we achieve a new ATH?
2019 - 48 (30.4%)
2020 - 62 (39.2%)
2021 - 34 (21.5%)
2022 - 8 (5.1%)
2023 - 1 (0.6%)
Never - 5 (3.2%)
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March 21, 2019, 02:23:11 AM

Think its time for a new poll infofront. How about a simple yes/no vote to see if long time mtgox hodlers plan on dumping or if they are going to continue to stand fast at the Wall.

Your wish is my command. Here are the previous results:



Note: My own vote is not related to or indicative of my stash. It's the level I think will be necessary to achieve fuckyourcoiner status for an average person if offloaded at prudent price points during the next parabolic run.

Aaaaand new poll

I think all of the best decision that holds this time otherwise If need emergency anything so sell or exchange something.
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March 21, 2019, 02:33:19 AM

In case you didn't know how serious of a problem it is allowing women to vote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/b3gcdm/i_dont_think_i_have_ever_seen_a_man_share_crap/
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March 21, 2019, 02:41:27 AM

Think its time for a new poll infofront. How about a simple yes/no vote to see if long time mtgox hodlers plan on dumping or if they are going to continue to stand fast at the Wall.

Your wish is my command. Here are the previous results:



Note: My own vote is not related to or indicative of my stash. It's the level I think will be necessary to achieve fuckyourcoiner status for an average person if offloaded at prudent price points during the next parabolic run.

Aaaaand new poll

Thanks for providing some polling variety in recent times, infofront.

From the totals, I do see that there was a bit of a scattering of the perception of achievement of "fuck you" status results, which seems to have been a considerable amount of poetic license from pollsters regarding interpretation, and even you, in your answer, stated a presumption of an upcoming upwards BTC price movement that caused your answer based on a speculated future rather than present actuality.    Shocked Shocked   Cheesy Cheesy
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March 21, 2019, 02:49:04 AM

IIRC I chose 200-499 which is *WAY* more than I do have. But the question was to be a fuckyoucoiner, and that's what I would consider, not that I would ever become one (or need to to, in order to be happy and reasonably wealthy).

And I am taking into account some price rise in the future. Otherwise the amount would be higher... but not much more.
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Last edit: March 21, 2019, 03:11:17 AM by infofront

True Jay. Later in the year maybe we can try a similar poll with more precise timing, etc.


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So, based on what you are saying, you bought some BTC in the $17k price arena, and is it fair for me to assume that you have bought some more BTC below $17k (like for example at some price points between $3122 and $17k)?
I have started at that time and bought on several phases. 12k, 8k, 7k, 6k, etc. When I have a little money to take a risk I buy BTC. Also, I will buy more if I can.

Yes.  One thing is having a set of BTC accumulation targets and a tentative plan for achieving "fuck you" status, and another thing is realizing that there exists a kind of BTC price dynamics that might cause greater abilities to accumulate more BTC and therefore increasing the likelihood of reaching preconceived targets and/or reaching such targets sooner.
Long term holders contribute to the market. As there will have some portion of locked. So do not need a buyer for that portion, buyer needs only for the rest of the portion.
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Happy equinox observers!

Just grilled outdoors for the first time this season...feels like spring.

Here's hoping for a crypto spring as the weather improves.
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March 21, 2019, 03:50:30 AM

True Jay. Later in the year maybe we can try a similar poll with more precise timing, etc.

Hopefully, I won't beat the topic to death, before then, because I really like the topic because it allows HODLers to figure out his/her own level and no matter what s/he is going to have to engage in a certain amount of BTC price projection in order to attempt to be realistic about the matter.  Also, it should be personally interesting and applicable to every single person participating in this thread because either s/he: 1) has already achieved such status, 2) has a target amount and/or plan to get there, 3) does not have a plan to get there but would like to get there or 4) would not mind getting there, but believes that his/her amount of BTC accumulating ability is never going to contribute to achieving such status.   

If such HODLer is not interested in 1, 2, 3 or 4 above, then I would wonder why s/he is looking at this thread.

Also, with such topic, there is a bit of a forcing to attempt to figure out: A) what kinds of numbers a HODLer would need to achieve and B) is such plan realistic based on likely events, timeline and personal financial circumstances.

It's a great topic, and also seems to facilitate BTC/USD wall observances, too in order to attempt to figure out if there is any progress towards such fuck you status, if not yet achieved.


IIRC I chose 200-499 which is *WAY* more than I do have. But the question was to be a fuckyoucoiner, and that's what I would consider, not that I would ever become one (or need to to, in order to be happy and reasonably wealthy).

And I am taking into account some price rise in the future. Otherwise the amount would be higher... but not much more.

I personally believe that there could be an accounting of entry level "fuck you" status based on what is the lowest price that the HODLer believes that BTC would reasonably hovering into and causing him/her to have to cash out some coins at that price, and that would be the base of calculations. 

Now, I am using the current low of $3,122 as such base BTC price to calculate my entry level starting point and $1million as the base amount that allows $3,333 per month passive income.  Thereafter, I employed a conservative traditional financial presumption that on average BTC would rise in price by 4% per year (which allows a withdrawal of 4% per year or 1% per quarter). 

So, $1,000,000 / $3,122 = 320.307495 BTC as starting out level of "fuck you" status, and in the future, hopefully, our starting base will change based on a rising price of BTC (no guarantees of course).   It seems to me that if we remain concerned about whether the bottom is "in" or not, then we should be using our most conservative numbers for our base starting amount in order that we would not say "fuck you" before we are actually really ready, willing and able to say it (without having to come crawling back with our tails between our legs).

Note: I recall the first time around, I calculated used a higher price (current BTC price, I believe), and I ended up arriving at around 250 BTC for fuck you status, but I think that using the anticipated bottom price of $3,122 is a bit more realistic because I would rather error on the side of conservative, and I am still only in the 48% confidence that the bottom is "in" thinking.  Of course, if there is a higher level of confidence that the bottom is in, and then a HODLer should use some kind of higher bottom number that would presumably be lower than the current price to calculate reasonable "fuck you" entry levels.
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So, based on what you are saying, you bought some BTC in the $17k price arena, and is it fair for me to assume that you have bought some more BTC below $17k (like for example at some price points between $3122 and $17k)?
I have started at that time and bought on several phases. 12k, 8k, 7k, 6k, etc. When I have a little money to take a risk I buy BTC. Also, I will buy more if I can.

Yes, that makes sense.


Yes.  One thing is having a set of BTC accumulation targets and a tentative plan for achieving "fuck you" status, and another thing is realizing that there exists a kind of BTC price dynamics that might cause greater abilities to accumulate more BTC and therefore increasing the likelihood of reaching preconceived targets and/or reaching such targets sooner.
Long term holders contribute to the market. As there will have some portion of locked. So do not need a buyer for that portion, buyer needs only for the rest of the portion.

The BTC market remains strong enough that we do not need to consider whether we are contributing to it, exactly.  So, in that regard, each of us should be attempting to tailor our BTC plan/strategy, as best that we can, to our own personal situation which involves our other investments, cash flow, views about bitcoin, risk tolerance, skills and timeline.

Like you suggest, I agree that HODLers do not hurt bitcoin, and they actually cause BTC price bottoms because they are not going to sell, which causes limitations regarding how low BTC price manipulators are able to push down the price before it can no longer go down, which means the price goes up from such point.   
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March 21, 2019, 04:58:37 AM

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March 21, 2019, 05:35:48 AM

It is really good to see the price of bitcoin over $4000,and this time the price looks more promising because it didn't happen all at sudden,it just happen after so much time hanging at this place,so there will be no more $3xxx on the prices.
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It is really good to see the price of bitcoin over $4000,and this time the price looks more promising because it didn't happen all at sudden,it just happen after so much time hanging at this place,so there will be no more $3xxx on the prices.

You are probably wrong. It is way more probable we will see $3xxx again than $5xxx before. Wishful thinking won't make us rich.

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It is really good to see the price of bitcoin over $4000,and this time the price looks more promising because it didn't happen all at sudden,it just happen after so much time hanging at this place,so there will be no more $3xxx on the prices.

You are probably wrong. It is way more probable we will see $3xxx again than $5xxx before. Wishful thinking won't make us rich.

HODL.

Especially when "we" are still poor.  Someone told me that, recently.   Cry
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It is really good to see the price of bitcoin over $4000,and this time the price looks more promising because it didn't happen all at sudden,it just happen after so much time hanging at this place,so there will be no more $3xxx on the prices.

You are probably wrong. It is way more probable we will see $3xxx again than $5xxx before. Wishful thinking won't make us rich.

HODL.

Especially when "we" are still poor.  Someone told me that, recently.   Cry

So sad man,

I think that The rich make money, and the poor get the sweat of the head and then return the money to the rich. The system will run in the same way. Someone slaves the money and someone else takes control over the money. How? The person who works for the money enslaves the money, and the money for which the money works, master over the money. It is easy to be a slave of money, but the Lord of the money is not so easy. The choice is ours, what we do Slavery or mastery?
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March 21, 2019, 06:04:35 AM

Gut says we are going to dip back below $4k over the next few hours, then recover back within 24 hours.

Let's see how this plays out.

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March 21, 2019, 06:09:20 AM

It is really good to see the price of bitcoin over $4000,and this time the price looks more promising because it didn't happen all at sudden,it just happen after so much time hanging at this place,so there will be no more $3xxx on the prices.

You are probably wrong. It is way more probable we will see $3xxx again than $5xxx before. Wishful thinking won't make us rich.

HODL.
Hopefully we will not stay much longer at that level again even if the price fell to that range.

Keep holding.
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It is really good to see the price of bitcoin over $4000,and this time the price looks more promising because it didn't happen all at sudden,it just happen after so much time hanging at this place,so there will be no more $3xxx on the prices.

You are probably wrong. It is way more probable we will see $3xxx again than $5xxx before. Wishful thinking won't make us rich.

HODL.

Especially when "we" are still poor.  Someone told me that, recently.   Cry

So sad man,

I think that The rich make money, and the poor get the sweat of the head and then return the money to the rich. The system will run in the same way. Someone slaves the money and someone else takes control over the money. How? The person who works for the money enslaves the money, and the money for which the money works, master over the money. It is easy to be a slave of money, but the Lord of the money is not so easy. The choice is ours, what we do Slavery or mastery?

I money do master, lord of the flies easy on slaves, then sweat Bitcoin go!
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March 21, 2019, 06:12:12 AM

It is really good to see the price of bitcoin over $4000,and this time the price looks more promising because it didn't happen all at sudden,it just happen after so much time hanging at this place,so there will be no more $3xxx on the prices.

You are probably wrong. It is way more probable we will see $3xxx again than $5xxx before. Wishful thinking won't make us rich.

HODL.

Especially when "we" are still poor.  Someone told me that, recently.   Cry

Yeah, we certainly are.
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