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I hope the US threatens sanctions against those fuck heads for even threatening a US citizen with death over something so silly.

US probably put them up to it.

I wouldn't hold your breath.
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April 23, 2019, 06:46:53 PM
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It affects security and challenges the state power of Thailand and it is intolerable," he said.

How fragile must the state power of Thailand be when a floating bathtub challenges it? Perhaps they should fire torpedoes at every fish that enters their waters too, just to be extra safe.
I hope the US threatens sanctions against those fuck heads for even threatening a US citizen with death over something so silly.

Why do you think Elwar went to Thailand for this?

It is because any decent country wouldn't let him do what he wanted to do. (Building a sea stead, especially without reporting it to the authorities) What makes you think USA or Germany would act differently than Thailand if Elwar tried the same thing in those countries. Especially in the US.

What Elwar did is several years of jail time in any country no matter how you look at it. Elwar was messing with the international law by knowingly or unknowingly. I am not saying the law makes sense but law is law.

If you think the US or some other developed country would also act similarly, then it is just hypocrisy to blame the Thais in this situation.

Even if Elwar's intentions meant no harm (i believe so), the mess it was going to create would put Thailand in a difficult situation. That's why they went crazy.
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It affects security and challenges the state power of Thailand and it is intolerable," he said.

How fragile must the state power of Thailand be when a floating bathtub challenges it? Perhaps they should fire torpedoes at every fish that enters their waters too, just to be extra safe.
I hope the US threatens sanctions against those fuck heads for even threatening a US citizen with death over something so silly.

Sh*t nothing will be done. As you can see below as long as the USA can make $$$ no sanctions....as soon as US President thinks $$$ are lost...then sanctions....

use the sanction stick on below and it would be fixed fast IMHO.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/04/world/detained-americans-fast-facts/index.html

As to the SeaStead problems. Seems to me the Thai Gov't is more upset that permits and such were granted for such w/o their knowledge and now are going ape shit

on an internal Thai Gov't witch hunt to boot. SeaStead was a symptom of corruption, it is just now the excuse to come down on everyone in Thai Gov't who sanctioned this

IMHO, and if it grabs a 'rich' American that can bribe his way out...that is just gravy.

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I am not saying the law makes sense but law is law.

What law? Imagine it happened in let's say Florida. Whould they be arrested? If so, for what?
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I am not saying the law makes sense but law is law.

What law? Imagine it happened in let's say Florida. Whould they be arrested? If so, for what?

Why don't you ask this to Elwar? I am sure he has an answer for it.

Or better, why don't you try it tomorrow and see?
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It was a rhetorical question. Florida police wouldn't care.

Example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg49911915#msg49911915
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April 23, 2019, 07:18:45 PM

I am not saying the law makes sense but law is law.

What law? Imagine it happened in let's say Florida. Whould they be arrested? If so, for what?

Why don't you ask this to Elwar? I am sure he has an answer for it.

Or better, why don't you try it tomorrow and see?

excuse me if this was explained before.. but wouldnt it have been easier and safer to rent or buy a boat and live "la vida loca" in some harbour in the caribbean sea?? Cayman, Turks and Caicos... lots to choose from.
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April 23, 2019, 07:21:00 PM
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It was a rhetorical question. Florida police wouldn't care.

Example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg49911915#msg49911915


So you are basically saying,

Me, a Turkish dude, can come to the US with a tourist VISA, build a seastead, advertise it on the internet and get away with it. (that's exactly what Elwar did, or tried)

We both know that's bullshit. The moment they hear what I am up to, will take me to the police station and who knows when will I be getting out.

excuse me if this was explained before.. but wouldnt it have been easier and safer to rent or buy a boat and live "la vida loca" in some harbour in the caribbean sea?? Cayman, Turks and Caicos... lots to choose from.

Yep. We talked about it earlier. I was the one who wondered the same thing. I learned It wasn't possible to grow some coral stuff around a boat.  Grin
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April 23, 2019, 07:22:09 PM
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Great interview on the What Bitcoin Did podcast: https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/peter-rizuns-lightning-critique-fud-or-fair

I assume a number of you will summarily dismiss this, rushing to judgement before examining the evidence. But for the open-minded, certainly worth a listen.

Anyhow, I guess we keep coming back to the general idea that it will be fine in the future!.. The technology will be there to support Bigger Blocks and Massive Database (but in the future it will be considered small). We will have cheap 1000GBit connections to link everyone together and 80TB hard drives! Moore says so!

The same can be said for LN and Layer 2 solutions. The developers are working on a solutions for this and that. A different Layer 2 solution will be available soon and so forth.

But which would you bet on? Something that is developing and evolving right before our eyes or relying on Moore's Law?

Moore's Law isn't as good as it used to be - since a few years already.

Depends upon which form you use. Gordon's original formulation spoke only to number of transistors per dollar. However, the more generalized form speaks to computations per dollar - which can be extended back from microprocessors to gate level logic to discrete transistors to vacuum tubes to relays to purely mechanical computing. And currently extended forward in time to multi-core, non-homogeneous computing systems. Which has shown pretty high fidelity to an exponential growth rate for more than 100 years, and shows no signs of attenuating.
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April 23, 2019, 07:27:35 PM

Plenty of people live on "house boats" in the US.

Citizenship is not a requirement to live on one of those. Tourists can live where they want, as long as they aren't breaking any laws.
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Plenty of people live on "house boats" in the US.

Citizenship is not a requirement to live on one of those. Tourists can live where they want, as long as they aren't breaking any laws.

You are either playing dumb or you are one.

SeaStead != Boat

Not to mention the result would still be same if I came there and tried to build my own boat. Wtf are you smoking? Pass it to me.
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Psychological price barriers are just plain silly.
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April 23, 2019, 07:39:12 PM

Not much of a difference in terms of law.

Elwar build nothing, he was just a tenant.

That's like finding a houseboat on Airbnb... nobody is going to arrest a tourist for renting one in the US.

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Lucid Investments? Do they invest their own money or attract some venture capitalists? If I were a capitalist @Lucid I'd be pulling my funds out ASAP - these blind kittens can't see further than their noses...  Grin
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I don't know exactly how international law works, but I think the whole point in having a seastead is not being subjected to any national law. Besieging it would be difficult because supply can come from virtually every state, and kidnapping people in the sea is not a thing a state can do. Anyway, that was not a fortress but a floating bedroom, China is making whole islands in international waters without nobody being able to do shit.

Elwar acted as a free man and a dreamer, and that's far more dangerous to some regimes than a nuclear aircraft carrier (which is in fact able to access international waters all over the world). I hope he is already safe or he will be soon, and that he doesn't give up with his seastead experiments (maybe in different more friendly countries without death penalty and arbitrary justice, that would be better).

Just a couple of years and an old russian nuclear submarine will cost no more than a bitcoin of two (two if with warheads), Thailand will cease to threaten old forum members soon Smiley
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human home on land, water no good for human, seastead not smart, follow natural habitat
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Great interview on the What Bitcoin Did podcast: https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/peter-rizuns-lightning-critique-fud-or-fair

I assume a number of you will summarily dismiss this, rushing to judgement before examining the evidence. But for the open-minded, certainly worth a listen.

Anyhow, I guess we keep coming back to the general idea that it will be fine in the future!.. The technology will be there to support Bigger Blocks and Massive Database (but in the future it will be considered small). We will have cheap 1000GBit connections to link everyone together and 80TB hard drives! Moore says so!

The same can be said for LN and Layer 2 solutions. The developers are working on a solutions for this and that. A different Layer 2 solution will be available soon and so forth.

But which would you bet on? Something that is developing and evolving right before our eyes or relying on Moore's Law?

Moore's Law isn't as good as it used to be - since a few years already.

Depends upon which form you use. Gordon's original formulation spoke only to number of transistors per dollar. However, the more generalized form speaks to computations per dollar - which can be extended back from microprocessors to gate level logic to discrete transistors to vacuum tubes to relays to purely mechanical computing. And currently extended forward in time to multi-core, non-homogeneous computing systems. Which has shown pretty high fidelity to an exponential growth rate for more than 100 years, and shows no signs of attenuating.

I am well out of my depth on this topic but my understanding is that Moore’s law refers to the number of transistors in an integrated circuit. It is not an economic measure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
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Not much of a difference in terms of law.

Elwar build nothing, he was just a tenant.

That's like finding a houseboat on Airbnb... nobody is going to arrest a tourist for renting one in the US.



Try declaring sovereignty in a trailer on the mainland and see what happens.

It is a very powerful idea. Which makes it dangerous.
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