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[Negotiation]

One thing I find funny about the left wing extremists in this thread such as Harry McLarry, they don't talk about any legitimate issues concerning monetary policy and regulation.  For instance, one of the most egregious problems I can think of (outside of typical Jewish usury scams, central banking, and fiat currencies) is the fact Blackstone private equity group owns 100,000 houses in America with the sole intent of attempting to try and operate as slumlords and fleece the population.

It is true that you have the right to total disclosure, but they should not be such that all the facts may put others in trouble. like don't like everything it is natural factor other hand world wide running bad politics It's better not to talk about something else here.

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[jbreher]

Danhel knows who Satoshi is.

Mmm Hmm. Mmmm Hmmm.

And you know this ... how?

[LUCKMCFLY]

In this they show:


source:https://cointelegraph.com/news/study-blockchain-in-healthcare-market-to-surpass-16-billion-by-2025

and they say that progress is being made.

All they have to do is approve, because Bitcoin will go up at any time, we have a touch of being radically bullish and the train is going to go ...

[realr0ach]

Danhel knows who Satoshi is.

Mmm Hmm. Mmmm Hmmm.

And you know this ... how?

You can determine who Satoshi is by simple process of deduction:

There are three very inconvenient facts about Bitcoin.  

1)  The first is that it's initial mining was provably done in an edu/govt computer lab.  

2)  The second is that most inventions (or in the case of Bitcoin - designed to centralize scheme) through history don't have white papers.  The fact Bitcoin has a white paper at all tells you it originated from someone indoctrinated into the rigamarole of begging for govt/edu grant money and recognition in post grad studies.  Since Bitcoin obviously did not originate from the private sector, and it's mining was first turned on in an edu or govt computer lab, it would need to originate from someone still in some type of higher education function or post grad studies at an edu, or the govt itself.

3)  By process of deduction, we can most likely assume it did not originate from an edu or there would be people actually talking about it...and there's not.  What does that leave?  Government origin with it's creation classified.

[jbreher]

If jbreher uses his intelligence to deceive people

Not at all. At least never intentionally.

or to to get caught in stupid-ass technical arguments

I guess it takes a self-described technical ignoramus to openly refer to technical arguments as 'stupid-ass'.

you have a significantly large amount of misleading and misinformation in your posts

You are wrong. There is no such thing as factual information that is misleading or misinforming. I present facts, and leave the editorializing to a minimum. Any mis- is in your misattribution of ulterior motive to my actions, which causes you to invent things in my writings that are not there.

I guess the courts must have it wrong when they ask witnesses to tell the whole truth.  

Do you solemnly (swear/affirm) that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, (so help you God/under pains and penalties of perjury)?

No. You misunderstand the term 'the whole truth' as used by the courts. If 'the whole truth' were synonymous with 'all the truth of which you are aware', then any court would bog down at the first question posed to the first witness in the first case they try, never ever never to get to the next case.

That’s your problem. You tell the selective, partial truth all the time,

You know what? Everyone tells selected partial truth every time they make any claim of factuality. And that's not my problem, that's your problem.

mixed with your opinion and supposition.  

I do occasionally editorialize. At which point, I insert the appropriate verbiage to indicate that I have transitioned from fact to opinion. Unless it is so bleedingly obvious that it is clearly superfluous.

It is deliberately misleading.  

Bullshit.

You hide behind technical arguments

Says the whiner who was obliterated in our last technical exchange because you introduced supporting evidence that was completely counter to your position, blissfully ignorant that it actually buttressed mine.

Just so I understand your position - how exactly does one hide behind a technical argument?

which rely on narrow, outdated definitions.  

Technical discussions invariably rely on narrow definitions. As for "outdated", you'd need to give me examples to know of what it is that you are speaking.

And then you get angry when you are called out. 

I don't get angry, I reply.

[realr0ach]

The main issue that Jbreher "lies" about is the fact Bitcoin is virtually useless via on-chain scaling.  But on-chain scaling with 8 MB blocks that has some small amount of potential utility and ability to fool people into believing Bitcoin is decentralized when it's not is still better than the Lightning Network, which is a wholesale, permissioned ledger, exact replication of the already existing banking system.  

Why would an exact replica of the already existing banking system have any value at all?  Hell, it's even worse than the already existing banking system because it abolishes cash and puts you in a dystopian system where everything you do is tracked and monitored in real-time.  Anyway, none of this stuff is even worth talking about because it's all complete garbage compared to physical metals.  You clowns are just arguing the equivalent of whether a barbwire or radioactive toothbrush would be better.

[jbreher]

wtf these new planes have jet engines, and cars have airbags?!?! But but none of this was in the original design!!!

OMG - but still TCP/IP ,  smtp, SWIFT, FIX  have not built in smart contracts - or did I miss u mix apples and crap?

Congrats you managed to fail on all levels, this is truly an accomplishment you should be proud of yourself

TCP/IP - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6
smtp - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_SMTP
SWIFT - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Worldwide_Interbank_Financial_Telecommunication#SWIFTNet_Phase_2
FIX - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAST_protocol

Ha. Haha. Hahahahahhaaa. I should let this one go, but this is just too funny. Call me weak, I don't care.

I am intimately familiar with the contents of the underlying documents which officially define half of those protocols. I'm quite sure that neither rfc791, nor rfc793 nor rfc2460 nor rfc5321 nor any of their subsequent amplifications or revisions say doodly-squat about smart contracts.

But then again, I'm always up for learning something new. Where in each of those standards is the smart contract funcitonality hidden? Hmmmm?

You should be proud of yourself indeed. IOW, You managed to fail on all levels.

[realr0ach]

DaRude is MatTheCat's boyfriend.  Set your expectations low.  Maybe one increment above JayJuanGee should suffice.

[realr0ach]

Speaking of MatTheCat and DaRude, I went to the grocery store earlier and there was like a 6'6 280 pound linebacker black male posing as transgender female.  I don't really understand how people can be so insane to think trying to pass as female while being both enormous and ugly is somehow a good idea.  It's already bad enough women over say 140 pounds exist.  Since nobody likes those already, why not just double up to 280 pounds AND transgender to really bring the pain?

[jbreher]

Hey jbreher how would you spin EDA and bcash and BSv's current difficulty adjustment algos? what version did that come in?

Well, there's really no way to spin that. That's a change indeed.

Of course, SV is the project where the majority of vocal participants are stating a desire to return to the 0.1 protocol. So if this will come to pass, that will be rolled back. Of course there is no guarantee of future developments.

Meantime, that is a legitimate claim to a protocol change.

[jojo69]

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It is true that you have the right to total disclosure, but they should not be such that all the facts may put others in trouble. like don't like everything it is natural factor other hand world wide running bad politics It's better not to talk about something else here.

quote the r0ach, get ignored

[realr0ach]

quote the r0ach, get ignored

Wouldn't far left extremists ignoring all the normal people and isolating themselves into their own safe space containment bubble just be doing everyone a favor?  Are you threatening to do people a favor?  I'm pretty sure this destined to fail shitlib tactic died around 2016 or so since nobody actually cares what shitlibs think or do.  We must stop the evil, white Nazis from building functional civilizations!

[HairyMaclairy]

Hey jbreher how would you spin EDA and bcash and BSv's current difficulty adjustment algos? what version did that come in?

Well, there's really no way to spin that. That's a change indeed.

Of course, SV is the project where the majority of vocal participants are stating a desire to return to the 0.1 protocol. So if this will come to pass, that will be rolled back. Of course there is no guarantee of future developments.

Meantime, that is a legitimate claim to a protocol change.

You could just, you know, fork the 0.1 protocol.  Go ahead and fork the genesis block. Ain’t no one stopping you.

[nutildah]

I used a oiga board it confirmed you are all gay.

But upside 10550 tomorrow

+1 WOmerit

Hey jbreher how would you spin EDA and bcash and BSv's current difficulty adjustment algos? what version did that come in?

Well, there's really no way to spin that. That's a change indeed.

Of course, SV is the project where the majority of vocal participants are stating a desire to return to the 0.1 protocol. So if this will come to pass, that will be rolled back. Of course there is no guarantee of future developments.

Meantime, that is a legitimate claim to a protocol change.

You could just, you know, fork the 0.1 protocol.  

They could do that but they know there's too many important changes made since then, including those made by Amaury Sechet and Greg Maxwell.

BSV's new OP_LSHIFT and OP_RSHIFT are not compatible with Satoshi's Bitcoin v0.1.0

[HairyMaclairy]

Greg Maxwell does not represent Satoshi’s Vision, man.  

Jbear doesn’t have time for Maxwell’s Vision.  He is a bear in a hurry.

[nutildah]

I just remember reading through the GitHub commit timeline for BSV, seeing that they had decided to keep in dozens (or hundreds) of changes made by Core and ABC devs since 0.10. Its really only "Satoshi's Vision" if you believe Wright is Satoshi. That's the only way in which the "SV" portion of BSV makes sense as its pretty far from a return to the original protocol.

[realr0ach]

Greg Maxwell does not represent Satoshi’s Vision, man.  

Let's just say you are all a little misguided.

First you dump the shitcoin, then you get the physical silver, then you get the power.

[realr0ach]

This shows you how fragile the scammers on this board are.  Some fucktard named dmwardjr that calls himself "the god TA man" or some nonsense starts arguing with me about monetary theory, begins to look stupid in argument, and immediately starts deleting all posts of the conversation.  Everything about digital shitcoins is based on lies and deception and does not stand up to truth:

By you using the word "thin air" shows me you do not and/or will not grasp a hold of what determines "VALUE."  Adoption plays a major role in determining "value."

You can tell you're in trouble when you try to deform common sense and claim the sheer act of someone falling for a scam aka "adopting it" gives it some type of value or worth.  It has to have an actual use case in common with multiple people to have trade value.  An artificial, imaginary, Keynesian widget does not do this.  The only "value" you have is transitory because they're not resources or commodities in relation to humans and things like Maslow's pyramid.

This is why Aristotle says money is required to be a physical commodity and Plato who said money can be an imaginary widget is an idiot.  There is no Schelling point in imaginary widgets, only pump and dump scams that will always deflate right when you least expect them or want them to.  The goal of money is to store value, not be incapable of storing value while attempting to function as a fraudulent casino that the bottom can drop out of at any second.

[JayJuanGee]

If jbreher uses his intelligence to deceive people

Not at all. At least never intentionally.

or to to get caught in stupid-ass technical arguments

I guess it takes a self-described technical ignoramus to openly refer to technical arguments as 'stupid-ass'.

you have a significantly large amount of misleading and misinformation in your posts

You are wrong. There is no such thing as factual information that is misleading or misinforming.

O.k.  We don't agree.  It seems that I already made my case on this point anyhow.  No need to repeat myself.

I present facts, and leave the editorializing to a minimum.

O.k.

Any mis- is in your misattribution of ulterior motive to my actions, which causes you to invent things in my writings that are not there.

Huh?  Funny I still see you making misinformations, and spinning matters.  I did not realize that I was causing it.  

Regarding your stupid-ass technical arguments, they frequently are stupid-ass because they either are misleading or they are put too much weight on improbable events, which is another form of misleading.

Again, I present mostly scenarios within the range of possibility. I rarely assign probabilities to such events.

Good on you.  

OTOH, to outwardly shame the presenter of truthful possibilities is indeed in itself a misleading activity, largely the domain of those trying to prevent the truth from becoming widely known.

jbreher = purveyor of truth.  Who would have thunk?

Since it seems quite unlikely that you are going to get banned,

Dream on, compadre, dream on.

There's no dreaming about my statement.  Some trolls or shills get banned.

Remember Jstolfi?  

What the hell does Stolfi have to do with this? Absolutely nothing.

I already said what Stolfi had to do with this.  Some members have proclaimed that you are polite, and some members have proclaimed that Stolfi was polite.

Stolfi was rational, but he worked from flawed axioms - to wit:
- Bitcoin is merely a currency at best.
- Deflationary currencies can never work in any role in economic society.

So what?  You believe different things and you troll about different things.  You still might be seen to have similar styles in some regards.

Nay, the axiom that we seem to disagree upon would seem to be my belief that actual utility matters.

Times are different, and ways of attacking bitcoin are different.  Stolfi has been shown to have been a clown, and perhaps you will be shown to be a clown, too.  Surely, you are way more persistent that Stolfi, and he only lasted a couple of years in these parts, but you have been on and on and on with your various BIG blocker talking points for at least 4 years.

JJG, you may be a bit too wordy, but I'm glad that you spare the time to call out the destructive bullshit that jbreher spews in order to manipulate others. I am also thankful for Hairy's contributions as well. 

Yeah. Too bad for your camp of witch-burners that JJG never actually addresses any of the points made, and that when Hairy does, it backfires spectacularly due to his/her lack of grasp of the very topics s/he utters.

There are a sufficient number of members who call you out on your bullshit without really getting trapped into your distracting nonsense and arguing with you too much into the weeds of your bullshit, so I would not really categorize them as losing the arguments or not sufficiently understanding your dumbass points, merely because we sometimes choose NOT to go down your largely irrelevant and repeated path.

[JayJuanGee]

The Bakkt Warehouse is active for futures

Bitcoin deposited at our Warehouse is protected by a $125 million insurance policy

https://twitter.com/bakkt/status/1171040208105758720?s=21

I fear BTC price will tumble significantly when Bakkt swings full gear.
At least that's what happened back in 2017 when CBOE & CME launched futures trading.

This time is different.^tm

We are at a different location in the fractal.^tm