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October 04, 2019, 01:31:40 AM
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One needs a good deal of darmklachten to put up with this verlakkerij.

Haha if someone knows what  V8 is meaning in here, would be impressive ......... Be quiet Hairy.

verlakkerij = fuckery iirc

darmklachten = Huh - unsure but its probably another word worth learning.

darmklachten sounds like (darmwinde) gut farts in german Smiley

in german: "pupsen" (softer) / "forzen" (more rude)

EDIT: "r0ach ist ein kleiner Furz" means "r0ach is very less important"
Verlakkerij looks Dutch.
Google Translate detects darmklachten as Dutch for intestinal complaints.  Roach's fuckery gives you indigestion?  But Google translates the German "darm lachten" as "guts laughed", so maybe darmklachten really means belly laugh?
Google Tran says Furz is German and it means fart.  Roach is a little fart.  
And I think to fart is furzen, not forzen.

sorry, i did misunderstood it a bit.  Grin

"darmklachten" is in german "Darmbeschwerden". a real man has this all the time and the result is he "muß forzen" all the time.

EDIT: but "verlakkerij" google translate it to "paint shop" which is in german "Lackiererei" in which cars will get a new color for example. I'm not getting the connection to "intestinal complaints"  Huh  because of the bad air within a paint shop? i don't know.

EDIT2: maybe it is a inside joke of some WO gang members at their last gang meeting.  Grin

Verlakkerij has been explained here once before, apparently it has to do with dutch con artists putting lacquer on coins to make them look golden and then selling them. and that's how the term Verlakkerij originated, it means to fool or con someone if I remember correctly.

bedrog:  bedrog plegen bedriegerij, begoocheling, fopperij, misleiding, verlakkerij boerenbedrog, gezichtsbedrog, huwelijksbedrog, kiezersbedrog, koopmansbedrog

EDIT: auto correct error.
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October 04, 2019, 01:33:17 AM

A first millionaire loses love for the Industry ..


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Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-03/an-early-bitcoin-millionaire-loses-his-love-for-the-industry?srnd=cryptocurrencies

It is really sad that someone with so much potential is disappointed because technology is not the main thing, from a point of view the bitcoin market has developed further.
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October 04, 2019, 02:02:36 AM

For clowns pumping that shit with "store of value" bullshit mantras. There is some contradiction, because store of value can't be something you should HODL if you are not a trader and only buy with the money you can afford to lose.
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October 04, 2019, 02:04:37 AM

...store of value can't be something you should HODL...

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October 04, 2019, 02:16:11 AM

Actually, I didn't touch them. It could've been Dabs or someone else.
Ok, thanks for the info. DABS! Why did you do it?

I didn't touch them either. I'm not a global mod.



Then who did? And why? It was so beautiful, WHY, why, *sob*.

I thought self moderated meant only the thread starter (or someone he put in his place) could do things like that.

Brother, try this out: press "Report to moderator" on your own post and enter the comment "Who are you?". maybe you will get an answer from him after.  Wink

btw, I did not report your posts.
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October 04, 2019, 02:22:37 AM
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We make different assumptions.

bid price is 8200
ask price is 8250
spread is 50

it's kind of break-out system with a range of 500 600 (w/o fees for both positions).
Yes, assuming both legs are closed at the same time (constraint that doesn't apply to me).


@fillippone, as usual your posts are instructive, thought-provoking or both. (That's how you amassed that disgusting mountain of merits in no time.) Even if in an amusing way, I was making a point. It took me a bit to digest your input and articulate a reply, so here I'm back.

I see now. If you count unrealized P&L as real, then it's just as you say. I still think it's called UNreal - ized for a reason.
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When I said that unrealized P&L is, well, unreal, I failed to add "until you hit the wall": the wall of nonlinearity at liquidation. If you manage to avoid that wall, you statistically win the game.

I don't have formal training in economy or finance, but the mathematical advantage of playing both sides can be seen by integrating P&L over time along random walks with reasonable properties.  (Perfect absence of memory in the Markov chain sense is not even required. More something like ergodicity in the sense "the graph will eventually get back here, for sure!")


Even in highly volatile environment Mark To market is the best way to think of your trading position, because MtM has to do with the current price, so it has to do with the future movements.
You assume P&L is instantly real, since current price is the best possible estimate of future price. Which it could be if there were a universal way to price risk and opportunity cost. Which I assume there isn't.

My own assumptions? "I'll never hit that wall because I keep my gameplay far from the sidelines." Taken to extremes: if I had infinite capital, I would not worry a bit. In other words: my bankroll is finite so I do worry of course, but I have low (negative?) opportunity cost for my play stash - it's better for me to use it to get moar btc at good odds than to collect dust in the freezer. As for the risk, I can't quantify it precisely, but it's bounded by the play stash amount if I stick to my rules.


If BTC goes down, you are sad, because you are losing on those 9 bitcoin. Then you decide to buy another bitcoin and you are long 10 bitcoin and some (less) cash. You are in a very similar position than point c. but with less cash to spend on more bitcoin buying.
Play money has an exclusive set of rules, such as "move excess play money to the cold stash when the amount reaches X", or every 2 months, or some combination that works for me. Another way to see it is: never let fiat enter the equation. Fiat for me is only relevant when I need it, and it comes from the main stash anyway. Once you've put away excess totaling 100% of your play stash, you're playing with house money. Once it's 200%, your risk still doesn't go to 0 (ergodicity hits both ways), but you have one "free" round where you can be wrong about never hitting the wall and still remain in overall profit.


This reasoning could be very different if there were options available to trade. But this is not the case.
I subscribe to your point about options. Most of my games are played with futures or swaps. Swaps are nice for the short side, since in a bull market they usually collect funding interest. I would love to have options available too! They would lower the cost of "insurance" a lot, if settled in kind. At the moment, options involve fiat unless I jump through hoops, so I do the best I can without them.

Numerical disclosure of sorts. Over the last week, I just gained 1% of the play stash with my short position by repeatedly closing it in small profit and reopening it higher. Last trade was 0.2% profit, new entry point just 10$ higher and 8% larger. Present short leg size a little over half the long (which is losing ~8% atm). A few more weeks like this and I will get even. If it goes down, I'm 8% better placed to profit again, while the margin buffer for the long has grown a tiny bit. My liquidation is well below 4k, and if I close the ultra-winning short before that happens, I'll gain about $500-$600 more breathing space, pushing it below 3.5k.

Yes, it is a bit of work actually. So what? A nice little hobby that pays out - an additional way to grow my HODLstash without forgoing, for example, a fancy restaurant or some other cozy reward. And I get to discuss it with some fine gentlemen too, which is a pleasure in itself.

Sorry this was a long post, and terribly OT at that - almost as if this discussion was about bitcoin!
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October 04, 2019, 02:33:26 AM

I really should get back into repairing miners. That looks like a fun little project.


lol...snarf....roflamao...

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You could make a blog...Lightfoot lost in China looking for the ruins of an ancient ASIC data hall (myth?) and attempting with no language skills to revive some miners.

Heck, I'd pay for that blog!

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October 04, 2019, 02:34:01 AM


But fuses cost money.....

uh, yeah...

especially when they blow and a whole bank of miners goes down for no reason...duh

A .22 fits.  No more blown fuses.
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But fuses cost money.....

uh, yeah...

especially when they blow and a whole bank of miners goes down for no reason...duh

A .22 fits.  No more blown fuses.

the ones we are talking about are more like 3/4" copper pipe
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.50 ?
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October 04, 2019, 02:54:27 AM

uh, yeah...

especially when they blow and a whole bank of miners goes down for no reason...duh
Fuses always blow for a reason. Typically due to voltage sag from cheap-ass wiring or a shorted chip in a miner. No fuse=plasma fire.

Ah well.

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October 04, 2019, 02:56:18 AM

I really should get back into repairing miners. That looks like a fun little project.


lol...snarf....roflamao...

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You could make a blog...Lightfoot lost in China looking for the ruins of an ancient ASIC data hall (myth?) and attempting with no language skills to revive some miners.

Heck, I'd pay for that blog!



I speak the language of bitcoin, no translators necessary. However it would be cool to unearth Friedcat and all those Asicminers.....
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OK, I should have said "no reason"
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For clowns pumping that shit with "store of value" bullshit mantras. There is some contradiction, because store of value can't be something you should HODL if you are not a trader and only buy with the money you can afford to lose.

Clowns, there will be no ATH, indeed this is the last time we see BTC under 10K, because it will never be above 10K ever again.

You may as well just ask everyone to ignore you now, clown.
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October 04, 2019, 03:11:41 AM

the ones we are talking about are more like 3/4" copper pipe

From what I have seen a large part of the problem is using massive 12 volt power supplies that can put out thousands of amps. Those are run with copper bus bars past the miners and tapped off straight into the miner boards. Efficient and cheap power supply, but the problem is when a board shorts instead of just crowbarring a 1,000 watt ATX supply you're now feeding 1,000+ amps into the short. This turns the miner into a welding torch with flames coming out of the still powered 12 volt fans.

Hilarity ensues.
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Hey, if you want a good laugh, check this out. Ahahahaha.. "We need to eat the babies" AHHHAhahahhaha...
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"Even if we bomb Russia, we still have too many people, we need to eat the babies"
 I'm crying, AHHHAhahah... Undecided, pro trolling or serious.
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One of Ocasio-Cortez's constituents loses her mind over climate change during AOC's townhall, claims we only have a few months left: "We got to start eating babies! We don't have enough time! ...  We have to get rid of the babies! ... We need to eat the babies!"

Might not be so funny when this bitch gets caught with a bucket of KFC.. Ahahahahhahaha....

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October 04, 2019, 03:45:41 AM

A death that is close
Reminds us to be thoughtful
As we're all mortal
Heard of several people were killed in Paris while in a police building.
The suspect was a IT employee who was working there when he lashed out with a knife.
Could he have been so stressed out about his crypto portfolio, would drive him to the edge?
Knowing he would be instantly killed with armed officers all around him while he just has a knife?
Just need to wait for more details but he had to a breakdown due to something.
With $2500 lost in two weeks if holding alot of BTC would put anyone on the edge.

You said crypto and you said bitcoin.


You are actually referring to bitcoin or some shitcoins?

In any event, sounds like guy might be over-invested and does not read WO... or maybe the guy does read WO and his name is BMB, or Rosewater or some variation?


Guys, I get a tingling feeling that we're due for another dip into the 7k territories.

I'm about to log off for the day, I dearly hope that when I wake up, this tingling feeling doesn't turn into reality.

#metoo
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October 04, 2019, 04:03:20 AM

For clowns pumping that shit with "store of value" bullshit mantras. There is some contradiction, because store of value can't be something you should HODL if you are not a trader and only buy with the money you can afford to lose.


I doubt that the whole concept of storage of value and investing is not as contradictory as you are making it out to be.

If you actually bought some coin rather than treating the matter theoretically (as a detached no coiner), you might come to understand the bitcoin situation a little bit better.

Perhaps?

Perhaps?
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October 04, 2019, 04:23:34 AM

Don't hold fiat that you can't afford to lose. Because it's literally losing value relative to other deflationary assets every single day that you hold it.

#HODLBTC
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