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Question: How low will we go before we see $10K again?
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December 06, 2019, 06:51:01 AM

Because of these fails, I didn't sell even a satoshi at 20K or 14K this year, which turned against me again. This is in short my lamentable story. Very, very bad luck, like in my whole life.

You think about Bitcoin entirely the wrong way.  They're imaginary, valueless timestamps.  They do not even exist.  There is no profit whatsoever 'guaranteed' about such a thing.  The only thing guaranteed about currencies - as opposed to physical commodity money - is that they're Keynesian, confidence game scams based on artificial scarcity that start at a value of zero and always return there.  You're participating in a scam and attempting to defraud others by doing anything with a currency as opposed to money.

The actual value of a timestamp is zero, worthless.  So in terms of 'making money', the only logical way you can think about Bitcoin is being the equivalent of a smash and grab robbery.  If you manage to break the glass and run out the door with a single cent of profit before the shop owner shoots you, or worse, a negative balance sheet, then you came out ahead with more than you deserved in the first place.
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December 06, 2019, 07:01:02 AM

Because of these fails, I didn't sell even a satoshi at 20K or 14K this year, which turned against me again. This is in short my lamentable story. Very, very bad luck, like in my whole life.

You think about Bitcoin entirely the wrong way.  They're imaginary, valueless timestamps.  They do not even exist.  There is no profit whatsoever 'guaranteed' about such a thing.  The only thing guaranteed about Keynesian, artificial scarcity currencies - as opposed to physical commodity money - is that they start at a value of zero and always return there again once the confidence game scam implodes.  

The actual value of a timestamp is zero, worthless.  So in terms of 'making money', the only logical way you can think about Bitcoin is being the equivalent of a smash and grab robbery.  If you manage to break the glass and run out the door with a single cent of profit before the shop owner shoots you, or worse, a negative balance sheet, then you came out ahead with more than you deserved in the first place.

Tell me more roach......  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



No don't.  As if you know anything worth learning about bitcoin.   Roll Eyes

Sure,you bought some bitcoin, but then you sold them all at $700-ish (in 2016), and then you for some reason you thought that bitfinex and bitcoin were the same thing and you erroneously thought that bitfinex was going down and or scamming the whole system (a bit unclear about your nonsense muddled brain, to the extent you have one).  

Point is that you have been subsequently waiting for the BTC price to go back down so that you can buy back in.

With your butt-hurt resentments about bitcoin and its price (and your seemingly ongoing lack of understanding of it and unwillingness to learn), you really are not in an advice-giving position about how to "think about bitcoin."
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December 06, 2019, 07:14:31 AM

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Every time they talk about these prices I get sick, it is torture, because no one told me about bitcoin at that time ... Cry

What's your bitcoin origin story? I cannot recall if you said.

You heard about bitcoin in mid 2017?  or earlier?

I never heard about Bitcoin before September 2017,

And one day (December 2018) by chance doing a Bitcoin search I found the Wall Observer thread and here I am since then.

Gosh... I had been thinking that you had been active here longer than that, but o.k. fair enough.  You surely have contributed a lot of decent content, so I am sure members have appreciated that.


Some plan that I will have to elaborate in 2020 to accumulate a little more BTC, even if it is a small monthly amount, this year it has been impossible to do it, all the veterinary hospitalizations of Maine Coon have consumed all my resources in cash.

Although I am optimistic and I do not rule out that one day an anonymous veteran member falls in love with one of my threads and sends me a few hundred BTC for the work done, as was done previously in the forum. (Let me dream) Wink

Thx, JJG

All this is very unfortunate, because I've missed so many trains. I've heard about Bitcoin in 2015 when the price was 300$. I didn't even know how the price was forming and thought at that time that the miners offer this price to the buyers (crazy, I know). At that time I decided to build  gpu rigs to mine Ethereum and invested 10K euro. Although I missed the Ethereum bull runs, I made some profit of 15K euro, which I constantly changed between USDT and Bitcoin because of the crashes in 2017. Because of these fails, I didn't sell even a satoshi at 20K or 14K this year, which turned against me again. This is in short my lamentable story. Very, very bad luck, like in my whole life. Some times I think because of me Bitcoin entered this bear market, as if someone above doesn't want me to be rich. My only weapon is the unique stubborness which helped my entire life to endure all bad things and have some professional success.

We all have to learn from mistakes and in this thread you should read between the lines, often very interesting comments from several members, putting your hands under your ass and away from the keyboard seems to be the best solution for a hodl strategy. Wink
Buy what you can in the dip is the most advisable..

Thx for your comment.
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December 06, 2019, 07:25:00 AM

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Every time they talk about these prices I get sick, it is torture, because no one told me about bitcoin at that time ... Cry

What's your bitcoin origin story? I cannot recall if you said.

You heard about bitcoin in mid 2017?  or earlier?

I never heard about Bitcoin before September 2017,

And one day (December 2018) by chance doing a Bitcoin search I found the Wall Observer thread and here I am since then.

Gosh... I had been thinking that you had been active here longer than that, but o.k. fair enough.  You surely have contributed a lot of decent content, so I am sure members have appreciated that.


Some plan that I will have to elaborate in 2020 to accumulate a little more BTC, even if it is a small monthly amount, this year it has been impossible to do it, all the veterinary hospitalizations of Maine Coon have consumed all my resources in cash.

Although I am optimistic and I do not rule out that one day an anonymous veteran member falls in love with one of my threads and sends me a few hundred BTC for the work done, as was done previously in the forum. (Let me dream) Wink

Thx, JJG

I suppose that there are some generous donations, and of course scammers taking bitcoins, too.

Andreas Antonopolis is a decent example.  He was saying that he was Bitcoin poor near the top of the 2017 price rise, but then received a BIG donation.. someone (might have been Roger Ver triggered) opened a donation fund for Andreas and then one BIG donor dwarfed all of the rest of the donors..and added up to a real large donation.  So, yeah, sometimes luck can happen in those places in which preparation meets opportunities.
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December 06, 2019, 07:46:20 AM

I am staring at the Red Line in that chart and imagine crying that Bitcoin is going to die because the price is only $50,000. It’s 2023.

Bitcoin dropped from ~$150.000 to $50.000.  Wink
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He's a complete moron.  All currencies - of which Bitcoin is one - are Keynesian in nature.  Currencies are garbage, confidence game scams based on artificial scarcity.  They start at a value of zero, are rigged above zero in some manner either by governments or some other market manipulation but are still just as worthless as their first day of creation, then always eventually return back to zero once the confidence game implodes.  This is why actual money, as opposed to currency, is required to be a physical commodity resource, because those aren't confidence game scams.

Bitcoin is more commodity than currency. It needs real world use - interoperability and store of precious data - before it can be used as currency
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December 06, 2019, 08:01:48 AM
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Almost everbody that dealt with bitcoin since 2017 has a distorted picture of development/history.
They see early adopters got rich "quickly", which means up to 9 years, not aware of the many times these early birds suffered from enourmous losses at several times in btc history, even the first miners being so faithful to "generate" some bytes with "no value" at all.
Now the newcomers dream of BTC to continue the parabolic rise, with McAfees viral one-million-by-2021 phantasy in the back of their mind. Get rich even quicker with no risk at all.
Sorry, this isn't they way it's going to play out, imo. It's like buying google or amazon shares and expecting them to go x10 in a year and x100 in two, because they did in the last n years.
Come on...  Roll Eyes

This is hopium, not "bad luck" at all. I was always told not to invest more than i am willing to lose. This was the very best newcomer advice i ever got.
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I suppose that there are some generous donations, and of course scammers taking bitcoins, too.

Andreas Antonopolis is a decent example.  He was saying that he was Bitcoin poor near the top of the 2017 price rise, but then received a BIG donation.. someone (might have been Roger Ver triggered) opened a donation fund for Andreas and then one BIG donor dwarfed all of the rest of the donors..and added up to a real large donation.  So, yeah, sometimes luck can happen in those places in which preparation meets opportunities.

I did not know the case of Andreas, what I mentioned earlier is that in the first years of the forum, when someone did a good job or provided a good solution to the forum, he received some coins as a reward, I have read it several times in threads and old comments of the forum, this is now difficult to happen, I would dare to say impossible.

We are going to let Bitcoin go its way and surprise us in a few years.

It is safer for this to happen than what I have said before. Wink
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Bitcoin is more commodity than currency. It needs real world use - interoperability and store of precious data - before it can be used as currency

Do you really think you can lie to me of all people?  It says CRYPTOCURRENCY in the god damned title.  Bitcoin is a currency, not a commodity.  You're trying to weasel your way out of the fact that anything falling under the category of currency has very negative connotations like being a Keynesian, confidence game scam based on artificial scarcity that starts at a value of zero and always returns there.  Besides the fact claiming imaginary timestamps are a commodity is ludicrous, fungibility is also required to be a commodity and it's not possible for Bitcoin to be fungible even if you mix outputs.

A real commodity is capable of resisting entropy in some manner, at least for a brief period of time.  The ones that do it better are known as non-perishable.  Bitcoin doesn't resist entropy at all; it's designed to facilitate entropy - aka constantly morph from one thing to another.  It's impossible for such a thing to be fungible because it's designed to change.  Idiot scammers tried to spin this huge negative as a positive with the bogus term "anti-fragile".  Money is supposed to be a constant and unchanging, not facilitating change.
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December 06, 2019, 08:14:55 AM

New infinity niggers plan for Germany brought to you by the Jews (aka The Kalergi Plan):

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-all-eu-members-must-take-migrants

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Bitcoin is more commodity than currency. It needs real world use - interoperability and store of precious data - before it can be used as currency

Do you really think you can lie to me of all people?  It says CRYPTOCURRENCY in the god damned title.  Bitcoin is a currency, not a commodity.  You're trying to weasel your way out of the fact that anything falling under the category of currency has very negative connotations like being a Keynesian, confidence game scam based on artificial scarcity that starts at a value of zero and always returns there.  Besides the fact claiming imaginary timestamps are a commodity is ludicrous, fungibility is also required to be a commodity and it's not possible for Bitcoin to be fungible even if you mix outputs.

A real commodity is capable of resisting entropy in some manner, at least for a brief period of time.  The ones that do it better are known as non-perishable.  Bitcoin doesn't resist entropy at all; it's designed to facilitate entropy - aka constantly morph from one thing to another.  It's impossible for such a thing to be fungible because it's designed to change.  Idiot scammers tried to spin this huge negative as a positive with the bogus term "anti-fragile".  Money is supposed to be a constant and unchanging, not facilitating change.

Wait.
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I had a dream that my brother signed up to fight a cyborg for money. We knew it would kill him, so we talked him out of it and he had to spend the rest of his life hiding from the government, since bowing out of a fight with a cyborg was punishable by death.

I woke up with a purpose: to stop Skynet MMA before it began.
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