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January 15, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
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Guys, what do you think about Bitcoin? I am considering zone 9000 to enter a short position.

Most of us DCA, not to many doing the shorting business I think, only the pro’s maybe  Roll Eyes
Don't forget about the majority of noobs that get rekt™ in order to make the profit for others.

Guys, what do you think about Bitcoin? I am considering zone 9000 to enter a short position.

9K sounds like a random rekt™ level. The 200 Day MA is around 9.1K for starters, if we break above the current highs, we'll probably go there...
As someone else said though, put on your money on 100x no stop loss and just hope for the best, that's what most people do.
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Stock-to-flow model.

"Stock to flow" does not apply to Ponzi scams.  I don't know if any of you noobs understand economics at all - and I wasn't there to personally witness the event or personally audit all the bookkeeping - but the great depression involved a liquidity deficit.  Some claim it was an engineered depression by the banks, others claim it's not; who knows, that doesn't matter for this discussion.  What matters is that if Bitcoin was actually the unit of account of anything (I.E. the world reserve currency and everything is priced in Bitcoin), the halving itself is a liquidity implosion similar to the great depression.

With Bitcoin not being the unit of account of anything it doesn't really matter because it just functions as a meaningless pump and dump scam, but if you actually tried to price everything in the world in Bitcoin it would be laughable. What type of "monetary system" do you know of where every vendor on the planet needs to massively adjust all their prices every four years?  None exists because anything with such stupid mechanics always dies because anything operating with such dynamics is a Ponzi scam.  The purpose of a monetary unit is to provide price stability, not be unstable by default.

In terms of having an actual functioning economic system, the 'halving' is a monetary crisis, not some sort of benefit.  The only people who view it as beneficial are pump and dump scammers hoping it allows them to make money off algorithmically designed, large volatility.  If Bitcoin was designed to actually be useful as a unit of account for something instead of a Ponzi scam, the block reward would be static eternally.  The government creators of Bitcoin who want it to function as a cashless society slavery system where everything you do is monitored in real-time knew it would be impossible to try and get anyone to use Bitcoin with an infinite, static block reward over metals, so they designed it as a get rich quick scheme, Ponzi scam to later be adjusted or replaced when it eventually fails due to having no use case beyond a pump and dump scam.
Thank you very much for your realr0ach point of view,

I respect his way of thinking about these scenarios, historically gold is always the best way out of the crisis, Bitcoin is undoubted protagonist today, in my case, I give much importance to both the investment and the refuge of the value that It represents, although many economists do not recommend it because it is volatile.


For those of us who can handle the volatility of BTC (and possible perceived risks of an investment/speculation we do not fully understand), BTC is a great piece of diversification.  

I hodl enough BTC so that if it moons in price, I benefit nicely.  But, I am not the kind of guy who likes putting too many single investment eggs into my basket.  Especially now that I am aging (older than most of you).

Do recall that anyone hodling ANY BTC already is way ahead of the game, as so few (6% of Americans?, though that seems way high to me) hodl any BTC.  Thus, should it moon (an excellent probability, IMO, of it doing so), only we 6% will be winners.  I do not need to be a #YugeWinner to be content with entering this arena (nor a #YugeLoser should BTC collapse).  My hodlings are enough to bring me a Big Smile should we exceed BTC's ATH.  Bring it.

As our European friend "el_duderino" has long written: "This is fine" and "This is HODL".

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I still do not understand the antipathy of BTC hodlers to gold.  (Of course, you can see the opposite too, look zerohedge FUD-ers)

Gold and BTC are, in essence, both assets outside the $IMFS (our financial system).  But they are somewhat different in their price movements as well as their various other properties.  They are different "vectors" if you will.  That's why I like them both!  

Precious metals and BTC are natural and complementary allies.

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Of course, each person is free to make his/her own choice regarding how much allocation to put into gold, and maybe some of the antipathy of BTC HODLers towards gold comes partly from gold bugs denigrating BTC and even putting out a lot of bullshit arguments, including the repeated WEAK-ASS intrinsic value and supposed utility (jewelry, industrial use, etc) arguments (which really are not much for giving greater value to gold, but might instead be arguments that work against the current/future value of gold), and also BTC has shown superior performance as compared to gold in recent years, and likely to continue to be superior to gold into the near, medium and long term future under the vast array of most likely scenarios because BTC has a variety of properties that Gold does not have (or at least bitcoin does a few things better including portability, divisibility, verifiability, less need for third parties, difficulties to manipulate supply (referring to paper gold), scarcity and a few other less important better aspects)....

So, yeah, maybe BTC HODLers have become a bit cocky, and surely I don't want to be confrontational or insulting to the decisions of anyone who chooses to HOLD gold, so I am talking practically and attempting to be realistic rather than either talking my book or trying to denigrate anyone for their decisions to hold or allocate towards gold (that is their choice, even if it seems inferior as I just mentioned), but I doubt that such cockiness is completely unwarranted in BTC's likely present and future role as gold 2.0.   Yeah, bitcoin was modeled on gold in a lot of ways, so it even seemed that Satoshi had a lot of respect for the historical sound money contributions attempts of gold, while recognizing that gold had failed in a variety of ways, especially in recent times and going off gold standards and a lot of the out of control aspects of fiat money.

 Gold bugs do not like that bitcoin is likely replacing it, and yeah gold will likely still serve some roles in society, but bitcoin is coming in and likely to supplant a lot of the value of gold and the historical use cases of gold in the modern world.

Not trying to be denigrating at all, but surely seems to be that the direction of asset classes are evolving both bitcoin and PMs such as gold.  Of course, individually, you can chose your level of allocation and believe that gold might continue to decently hold some value.. it might and it might not.. that is just the way things are going and not hostility, and I really should not be repeating points that I already made in my post on the topic from yesterday.. so I will leave it there, for now.
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January 15, 2020, 10:41:20 PM

https://twitter.com/apompliano?lang=en

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Rumors are circulating that the Fed is going to announce an effort to digitize the dollar this week.

This would be similar to China's effort to digitize the yuan.

IF true, bullish or bearish short term?
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January 15, 2020, 10:47:01 PM


Helpful leverage trading video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvZ7K_0_SiY

Wow, that crypto bubble youtube channel is golden! Didn't know about it. All the videos are fucking genius!
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January 15, 2020, 10:50:49 PM

Did you miss me? now I am trained in fucking you up.'


Hai!


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January 15, 2020, 10:51:41 PM

realr0ach writes what he writes because (I imagine) his experiences with BTC have not been good, and he no longer wants to speculate/invest in it.  Or he has changed his view due to circumstances.  Still he does like to poke BTC-ers in the eye with a stick (LOL).

1)  It's impossible to make a decentralized digital currency since transaction validators are always designed to centralize.  If you have non-fungible tokens and centralized transaction validators, there is no possible endgame evolution besides being an exact replica of the Chinese social credit score system.  Promoting Bitcoin is then nothing more than promoting your own enslavement in some sort of extreme dystopia.

2)  The fundamentals of imaginary, valueless timestamps whose value is supposed to be derived from decentralization but is designed to centralize is zero.

3)  The ability for imaginary, valueless timestamps to displace physical metals as the base of Exter's Pyramid is zero.

4)  Any type of imaginary widget based on artificial scarcity is a Keynesian scam.  Money is required to be a physical commodity resource.  It's also required to be fungible.  It's not even possible for Bitcoin to be fungible by mixing outputs because Bitcoin is designed to facilitate entropy while real money (physical metals) is designed to resist it.  Money is supposed to be a constant and not change.
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Can the mass of proton be money?
I don't think so.
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January 15, 2020, 10:56:55 PM

Father forgive me for the quote.

Just to point out the linguistic statement by roach that his BS is "almost as if true" i.e. therefore not true by his own choice of words


It's almost as if every single thing r0ach has ever said about Jews is true:

https://thats.what.this.dick/can.do
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Trollgoossens, where did that charming young lady Cryptobimbo go?  She was at least a solid 4 post-transitioning.
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Wow, that crypto bubble youtube channel is golden! Didn't know about it. All the videos are fucking genius!

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wBg1lBKtyg
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Wow, that crypto bubble youtube channel is golden! Didn't know about it. All the videos are fucking genius!

Yeh they are awesome. Felt appropriate to share it for that song, but many classics on there. The guys a lyrical genius. Some of my favorites...
When moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wBg1lBKtyg
All the small caps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZwzttexaUM
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Wow, that crypto bubble youtube channel is golden! Didn't know about it. All the videos are fucking genius!

Yeh they are awesome. Felt appropriate to share it for that song, but many classics on there. The guys a lyrical genius.


Good find.

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Today, Windows 7 has reached its end of life, and Microsoft no longer provides support for it.

In the same regard,
@wasabiwallet
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https://twitter.com/wasabiwallet


Well this is just stupid.
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Rumors are circulating that the Fed is going to announce an effort to digitize the dollar this week.

This would be similar to China's effort to digitize the yuan.

IF true, bullish or bearish short term?

Meh.
The dollar looks pretty digitised to me.
The FED can print billions of dollars by a single mouse click.
The point is not “digitised”, the point is “decentralised”.
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Helpful leverage trading video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvZ7K_0_SiY

Wow, that crypto bubble youtube channel is golden! Didn't know about it. All the videos are fucking genius!

Yeh they are awesome. Felt appropriate to share it for that song, but many classics on there. The guys a lyrical genius.
When moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wBg1lBKtyg


It's a genius in all senses. The sound and visuals are also amazing.

For more lulz:

All small caps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZwzttexaUM

My Ponzi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgtEyrZDn1s

Please don't sell (Jingle bells): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pqIFDI18ZY

Mass Adoption: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5AoOA5j85A

... and much more.
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Helpful leverage trading video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvZ7K_0_SiY

Wow, that crypto bubble youtube channel is golden! Didn't know about it. All the videos are fucking genius!

Yeh they are awesome. Felt appropriate to share it for that song, but many classics on there. The guys a lyrical genius.
When moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wBg1lBKtyg


It's a genius in all senses. The sound and visuals are also amazing.

For more lulz (all small caps): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZwzttexaUM&t=

Just edited my last post to reference this one too, then saw yours  Grin
Also; Old town road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3TzVgGyBFs
"I'm never selling nothing, I'm not selling nothing"
Best crypto music since hodl gang came out  Tongue
Edit: First post with new WO official hat  Cheesy
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January 15, 2020, 11:24:59 PM

Trollgoossens, where did that charming young lady Cryptobimbo go?  She was at least a solid 4 post-transitioning.

A solid 11/10 is more suitable..... Not the type for people with your style of behaving Smiley

But no stress you're sounding like a lost case, but maybe there still is help, Pm me and I will guide you to maybe a 1/10 of what I have every day...

This would be an extreme success considered where you standing now...


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Please r0ach stop jerking off while thinking about my situation, i'm starting to feel uncomfortable  Undecided
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January 15, 2020, 11:27:16 PM
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Next stop HODLsleep side to side with this 11/10 situation ....

r0ach enjoy holding some cold silver tonight  Embarrassed

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Hmm, chart view looks like the $8.9k should get hammered at least one or two times this night.
Maybe breakout over it.
We'll see.
Not me, i'm off to sleep. Most big moves in the past happened when i was AFK or sleeping, so...  Grin

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You know why i trust cash more than physical metals?
I mean, have you ever tried to wipe your ass with a cold silver bar?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Trollgoossen, it is very difficult to have any sort of positive outcome with a wahmen when the goal of a wahmen is to take all of your free time and resources and divert every waking hour and dollar into funneling it into something to either benefit them or for their amusement.  It's like agreeing to have your life run by a 10 year old.  We live in some sort of sick society that claims men are predators when any type of predatory behavior by men is illegal, but predatory females are everywhere you look.

If you're a billionaire or something you can ignore the money part, but that doesn't even help because women are designed to be predators.  People who are wealthy all the time talk about how if their wife sees them laying on the couch relaxing - even if they give their wife like thousands of dollars per day - the wife becomes upset and constantly walks around passive aggresive and sighing because they want every second of the man's time to be devoted to doing something to benefit them and none for himself.

You are not allowed to pursue any of your own interests when dealing with a wahmen.  You might get away with it for a while, but then the wahmen's subconscious tells them the man is not benefiting them enough, and then they go "monkeybranching" attempting to find a better servant.  I'm sure you've seen wahmen say things like "real men should not play video games or do so and so".  The definition of "real man" to a wahmen is simply someone who acts as a resource for them.  They don't give a damn about video games, it's just they don't want you doing anything any hour of the day that doesn't benefit them.
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The document produced by Craig is simply a list of 16,404 addresses. Craig, however, did not provide any information on the bounded courier, the company he/she worked for, when he/she came, or the message delivered.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.377.0.pdf

 Cheesy now he's just trolling the court! Lets see them addresses!

Shortly after Judge Reinhart issued this Order, on September 11, 2019, the parties reached
an agreement in principle to settle the case. Discovery was abated for nearly two months as the
parties worked together to document their agreement. Then, on October 30, and without warning,
Plaintiffs were informed Craig could no longer finance the settlement
, and that he was terminating
the settlement efforts.



...no shit Grin


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Faketoshi-let's settle i got this dude with big pockets
Kleiman-OK
Ayre-Ohh i wanted to settle but i investigated and found out that CSW is already my little bitch and i already own everything, oops silly me. good luck collecting on 50% of $0, i'm out
Kleiman-WTF you think we're idiots!?! Then lets drag you and nChain into the case, and see what Judge has to say about all this
Ayre-pooping his pants, and thinking how much more it'll cost him to settle

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I was NOT negotiating a settlement as I am not a party to the case...I was investigating the potential to buy the assets of the estate.
-Calvin Ayre @ https://twitter.com/calvinayre/status/1191324328278863872

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In August, a Florida magistrate issued a non-binding statement that Kleiman’s estate was entitled to 50% of the Bitcoin (BTC) mined by the Wright & Kleiman “partnership” up to December 31, 2013, as well as 50% of any intellectual property (IP) co-developed by Wright & Kleiman prior to Kleiman’s death in April 2013. There is no actual evidence of a partnership that could be found by lawyers researching on behalf of Ayre.

Following the statement, Ayre commenced good-faith negotiations to acquire the Kleiman estate based on public disclosures that the estate held valuable IP under U.S. law. Ayre’s attorneys have since determined that all of the IP claimed by the estate was created following Dave’s death and thus lies outside the scope of the non-binding statement.

Of the IP in question, Ayre’s attorneys concluded that the only IP on which Kleiman collaborated with Wright was the original Bitcoin code, which was released to the world as open source software in 2009.

-Calvin Ayre's blog @ https://coingeek.com/calvin-ayre-passes-on-buying-dave-kleiman-estate-because-it-holds-no-assets/

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...revealed the extent to which nChain’s Chairman
Stefan Matthews and nChain investor Calvin Ayre participated in facilitating Craig’s unlawful
taking of, and capitalizing on, W&K’s (and Dave Kleiman’s) intellectual property. 4 They have
also revealed that Nchain has acquired, with full knowledge of Plaintiffs potential claims, much of
the IP at issue in this case. Furthermore, new documents produced in mid-December 2019 show
that Craig signed a power of attorney agreement in August 2016 that gave nChain the power to
“take any steps or do any thing” that nChain “in its absolute discretion considers desirable in
connection with” the IP nChain purchased from Craig, including controlling any litigation over
the intellectual property at issue in this case.

Everyone knows that CSW is broke and is on Ayre's life support, CSW has no private keys so best Kleiman's lawyers can hope for is to annoy Ayre and nChain enough to at least get some settlement.


Oh this is just too good, so "W&K Info Defense Research LLC" that Faketoshi started with Dave, apparently is not even Faketoshi's but his ex's. This is just too much

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In fact, plaintiffs’ trial strategy was illustrated last
Sunday during the deposition of Lynn Wright, defendant’s ex-wife, who testified that she is the
“W” in plaintiff W&K and that she is a shareholder of the company.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.379.0.pdf

Faketoshi is getting rid of assets faster than Roger is loosing his mind.
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