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[Totscha]

... and in other anniversaries

5 years ago today, the greatest headline ever written as Jack took over from Dick C at Twitter

There's so much beauty in this world....

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[bitebits]

9173 more than 2% in profit now

Good luck, honestly.

(ever wondered why there are so few newbie accounts posting in the WO?)

[AlcoHoDL]

Cheesy comment, but here goes...

When I was a schoolboy, my father (who was a very wise man) told me, "son, if you want to enjoy school, just choose one of the two options: 1) study hard and be a really good student, 2) don't study at all, be the worst student in class and just have fun. Either way, you won't be very stressed and will enjoy yourself (for different reasons). Just try to avoid being average. Being average will cause you the most stress and anxiety, you'll miss the fun part, and will never be really good at something."

I guess it's more or less the same with Bitcoin. If you're a good student (you know how Bitcoin works), you'll never be stressed when it dips, because you know that it's just a temporary, transient state, on a long trend that's almost guaranteed to be upward. OTOH, if you're a really bad student (you don't know anything about how Bitcoin works and even suspect it's a scam), you'll never be a coiner, you'll just keep your distance. Nothing to gain, nothing to lose, business as usual.

But if you're an average student (have heard about Bitcoin and how it can make you rich, but don't really understand how it works), you'll end up buying some corn, and being constantly stressed by the volatility, believing every article, post or rumour, and ending up doing a full mindrust and losing it all at the click of a button.

Knowledge is power.
Be a good student.
Buy Bitcoin.

HoDL.

[vapourminer]

edit: bawb. welcome back. #nohomo

* BobLawblaw grumbles. Angrily.

err.. (if directed at me) sorry? im not big on social graces or interactions. or so im told.

but if grumbling angrily in general? im on that page too.

edit: ive seen some pretty real crap in my life on social issues. but this is next level shit. been a while since i was in protests, but even with the risk of catching covid-19 and with underlying health conditions as personal risks to going out there i think its time to get counted and add a voice or two.

[heslo]

Cheesy comment, but here goes...

When I was a schoolboy, my father (who was a very wise man) told me, "son, if you want to enjoy school, just choose one of the two options: 1) study hard and be a really good student, 2) don't study at all, be the worst student in class and just have fun. Either way, you won't be very stressed and will enjoy yourself (for different reasons). Just try to avoid being average. Being average will cause you the most stress and anxiety, you'll miss the fun part, and will never be really good at something."

I guess it's more or less the same with Bitcoin. If you're a good student (you know how Bitcoin works), you'll never be stressed when it dips, because you know that it's just a temporary, transient state, on a long trend that's almost guaranteed to be upward. OTOH, if you're a really bad student (you don't know anything about how Bitcoin works and even suspect it's a scam), you'll never be a coiner, you'll just keep your distance. Nothing to gain, nothing to lose, business as usual.

But if you're an average student (have heard about Bitcoin and how it can make you rich, but don't really understand how it works), you'll end up buying some corn, and being constantly stressed by the volatility, believing every article, post or rumour, and ending up doing a full mindrust and losing it all at the click of a button.

Knowledge is power.
Be a good student.
Buy Bitcoin.

HoDL.

Wise words, I like them!

[vapourminer]

If your thinking o buying an Intel system I would just say no for awhile.

These security issues are just beyond acceptable.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/06/new-exploits-plunder-crypto-keys-and-more-from-intels-ultrasecure-sgx/

yeah just grabbed a new notebook/tablet. went AMD as i figured anything with an intel chip will just keep getting slower and slower as more and more security patches and microcode updates are added to slow it down.

not that AMD is perfect but intel? seems like they just didnt give a f*ck about really anything for years till real some competition came back.

[AlcoHoDL]

If your thinking o buying an Intel system I would just say no for awhile.

These security issues are just beyond acceptable.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/06/new-exploits-plunder-crypto-keys-and-more-from-intels-ultrasecure-sgx/

yeah just grabbed a new notebook/tablet. went AMD as i figured anything with an intel chip will just keep getting slower and slower as more and more security patches and microcode updates are added to slow it down.

not that AMD is perfect but intel? seems like they just didnt give a f*ck about really anything for years till real some competition came back.

I remember a long time ago it was all about heat generation and how AMD CPUs were much hotter than Intel. I guess this doesn't apply nowadays. Long-time Intel fan (no pun intended), but thinking of switching to AMD on my next build (which will be in at least 5 years from now, as I recently upgraded to an 8-th generation Intel).

[serveria.com]

If your thinking o buying an Intel system I would just say no for awhile.

These security issues are just beyond acceptable.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/06/new-exploits-plunder-crypto-keys-and-more-from-intels-ultrasecure-sgx/

yeah just grabbed a new notebook/tablet. went AMD as i figured anything with an intel chip will just keep getting slower and slower as more and more security patches and microcode updates are added to slow it down.

not that AMD is perfect but intel? seems like they just didnt give a f*ck about really anything for years till real some competition came back.

I remember a long time ago it was all about heat generation and how AMD CPUs were much hotter than Intel. I guess this doesn't apply nowadays. Long-time Intel fan (no pun intended), but thinking of switching to AMD on my next build (which will be in at least 5 years from now, as I recently upgraded to an 8-th generation Intel).

Even earlier at Pentium times AMD was like the worst CPU ever. They shared one socket and it was possible to use any of them in any mobo. Nobody was using AMD though as it was slow and later also these overheating issues started.  

[alevlaslo]

[P_Shep]

I remember a long time ago it was all about heat generation and how AMD CPUs were much hotter than Intel. I guess this doesn't apply nowadays. Long-time Intel fan (no pun intended), but thinking of switching to AMD on my next build (which will be in at least 5 years from now, as I recently upgraded to an 8-th generation Intel).

... and then we have Apple, who are moving away from Intel and back to ARM.

I've already lived through one core change to Intel. If ARM doesn't have the headspace to efficiently emulate Intel code for a while, the next major Mac upgrade cycle is going to eat donkey balls.

@vaporminor: Disgruntled grumbling in general. Not directed at you. 

Actually it was PowerPC (MIPS) that apple used. Still often used in automotive products (and F1, Indycar, NASCAR, FE) but not too much elsewhere.
As far as switching their desktops to ARM, I don't really see it. It's just not the intended application of the ARM architecture.

[dragonvslinux]

Why is there a gap in that chart? Did all exchanges shutdown for some peculiar reason during that time?

It's Bitcoin dominance, and was in middle of 2017, so looks like when BCH forked from BTC, causing BTC dominance to drop by 20% (as BCH was first worth 0.2 BTC).

[rdbase]

I remember a long time ago it was all about heat generation and how AMD CPUs were much hotter than Intel. I guess this doesn't apply nowadays. Long-time Intel fan (no pun intended), but thinking of switching to AMD on my next build (which will be in at least 5 years from now, as I recently upgraded to an 8-th generation Intel).

... and then we have Apple, who are moving away from Intel and back to ARM.

I've already lived through one core change to Intel. If ARM doesn't have the headspace to efficiently emulate Intel code for a while, the next major Mac upgrade cycle is going to eat donkey balls.

@vaporminor: Disgruntled grumbling in general. Not directed at you.  

Actually it was PowerPC (MIPS) that apple used. Still often used in automotive products (and F1, Indycar, NASCAR, FE) but not too much elsewhere.
As far as switching their desktops to ARM, I don't really see it. It's just not the intended application of the ARM architecture.

For a linux user is this just pure blasphemy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGLGrWRfjbE

Running windowsfx on ubuntu rasb pi distro.

[AlcoHoDL]

I remember a long time ago it was all about heat generation and how AMD CPUs were much hotter than Intel. I guess this doesn't apply nowadays. Long-time Intel fan (no pun intended), but thinking of switching to AMD on my next build (which will be in at least 5 years from now, as I recently upgraded to an 8-th generation Intel).

... and then we have Apple, who are moving away from Intel and back to ARM.

I've already lived through one core change to Intel. If ARM doesn't have the headspace to efficiently emulate Intel code for a while, the next major Mac upgrade cycle is going to eat donkey balls.

ARM? Wow! I wasn't aware that Apple are going back to ARM. Hell, I wasn't even aware that they were using ARM in the first place. It's a great processor, virtually all mobile phones, tablets, and many embedded systems use it. But not so common for desktop/workstation PC use. Will be interesting to see a new architecture in an x86-64-dominated space...

Even earlier at Pentium times AMD was like the worst CPU ever. They shared one socket and it was possible to use any of them in any mobo. Nobody was using AMD though as it was slow and later also these overheating issues started.  

I remember at that time it was just about cost. Everybody wanted Intel, but many couldn't afford it, so AMD became popular as a "poor man's CPU". You'd get comparable performance at a lower cost. Sure, it would run hotter, and with a larger heat sink, but at that time overclocking and heat dissipation issues were not so important. Everyone was just using the stock coolers.

About Meltdown/Spectre, it was a blow to Intel's image and dominance. I felt angry when I learned that my sparkling new i7-8700 would have to run at slightly reduced speed due to microcode patches. Will re-evaluate the status quo in 5 years' time when I upgrade. The AMD Ryzen Threadripper series looks tempting.

[OutOfMemory]

If your thinking o buying an Intel system I would just say no for awhile.

These security issues are just beyond acceptable.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/06/new-exploits-plunder-crypto-keys-and-more-from-intels-ultrasecure-sgx/

yeah just grabbed a new notebook/tablet. went AMD as i figured anything with an intel chip will just keep getting slower and slower as more and more security patches and microcode updates are added to slow it down.

not that AMD is perfect but intel? seems like they just didnt give a f*ck about really anything for years till real some competition came back.

I remember a long time ago it was all about heat generation and how AMD CPUs were much hotter than Intel. I guess this doesn't apply nowadays. Long-time Intel fan (no pun intended), but thinking of switching to AMD on my next build (which will be in at least 5 years from now, as I recently upgraded to an 8-th generation Intel).

Well, as i wrote above, the Ryzens keep up with heat management at desktop use, if not even ahead.
Realtime audio generates a little more stress/heat on the Ryzen.

[AlcoHoDL]

If your thinking o buying an Intel system I would just say no for awhile.

These security issues are just beyond acceptable.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/06/new-exploits-plunder-crypto-keys-and-more-from-intels-ultrasecure-sgx/

yeah just grabbed a new notebook/tablet. went AMD as i figured anything with an intel chip will just keep getting slower and slower as more and more security patches and microcode updates are added to slow it down.

not that AMD is perfect but intel? seems like they just didnt give a f*ck about really anything for years till real some competition came back.

I remember a long time ago it was all about heat generation and how AMD CPUs were much hotter than Intel. I guess this doesn't apply nowadays. Long-time Intel fan (no pun intended), but thinking of switching to AMD on my next build (which will be in at least 5 years from now, as I recently upgraded to an 8-th generation Intel).

Well, as i wrote above, the Ryzens keep up with heat management at desktop use, if not even ahead.
Realtime audio generates a little more stress/heat on the Ryzen.

Noted.

It seems that each brand has certain pros and cons in different fields. We are currently in the process of purchasing a 3D scanner (cost is around $25,000) and the manufacturer insists on using Intel CPUs on the PC. They are against AMD for some reason.

[Torque]

We are currently in the process of purchasing a 3D scanner (cost is around $25,000) and the manufacturer insists on using Intel CPUs on the PC. They are against AMD for some reason.

What brand of 3D scanner? Just curious.

Also Ryzen FTW.

[P_Shep]

Actually it was PowerPC (MIPS) that apple used. Still often used in automotive products (and F1, Indycar, NASCAR, FE) but not too much elsewhere.
As far as switching their desktops to ARM, I don't really see it. It's just not the intended application of the ARM architecture.

For a linux user is this just pure blasphemy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGLGrWRfjbE

Running windowsfx on ubuntu rasb pi distro.

Yeah, that's weird.

[AlcoHoDL]

We are currently in the process of purchasing a 3D scanner (cost is around $25,000) and the manufacturer insists on using Intel CPUs on the PC. They are against AMD for some reason.

What brand of 3D scanner? Just curious.

Also Ryzen FTW.

We're getting the Artec Space Spider + Turntable + Software.

[rdbase]

The revolution has begun!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/h0029c/people_are_talking_bitcoin/

Rage against the BRRRRRRRRRRRRR Machine!
"The E733Tz can not have control of the financial system anymore!"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/gzogfn/this_was_what_usd_looked_like_when_it_was

"Redeemable in gold..."

[jojo69]

We are currently in the process of purchasing a 3D scanner (cost is around $25,000) and the manufacturer insists on using Intel CPUs on the PC. They are against AMD for some reason.

What brand of 3D scanner? Just curious.

Also Ryzen FTW.

We're getting the Artec Space Spider + Turntable + Software.

if that shit works it could pay for itself in just a few jobs

of course, you have to have your CNC chops already going on to get usable parts out the other end, many devils in those details.