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January 08, 2021, 01:01:25 PM

In other news, new impeachment procedures against Trump will start in the middle of next week.

So let's hope it works out. Even just a few days would be great. Is doesn't do that much only bursting his ego. And that's a good job.

Have you all bought the new lego set already  Cool

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January 08, 2021, 01:16:22 PM

Eventually this climb is going to have to end.  But it sure is a nice ride.

Are you talking about life??  Wink

I'm concerned about bearish WOs...



I think maybe he's talking about this short-term rise without any major correction. A 20% dip followed by a another ATH a few hours later isn't a major correction.

I can imagine this current climb getting FOMOed by noobs (building upon a solid institutional foundation) maybe getting stalled around $80k and crashing all the way down to $30k-$40k by idiot noobs who will call it a bear market, and then going sideways for weeks or even months before resuming the rally to 6 digits and beyond.
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January 08, 2021, 01:21:18 PM

#meta: Just had an amusing thought. It appears it only takes moving 300 BTC now to trigger a Whalecall on Twitter.

Imagine a day when someone moving 1 whole BTC triggers a Whalecall ?

Whalecall is one of those custom bots that just watch the blockchain or mempool for those triggers.

The 1 BTC = Whalecall will happen when 1 BTC => $10m USD. Which can take a few decades. If Whalecall is still around or it will have another bot doing the same thing then.
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BTW    remember, this meme was made I think more as 2-3 years ago and posted in the WO, when we had those Mcdonald jokes...








I can confirm this is current reality.

Have fun staying poor haters Wink
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In other news, new impeachment procedures against Trump will start in the middle of next week.

So let's hope it works out. Even just a few days would be great. Is doesn't do that much only bursting his ego. And that's a good job.


Using political instruments just for such things ("only bursting his ego") clearly demonstrates how messed up both sides of the divide are.
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they don't realize that bubbles are blowing everywhere right now, but Great Depression number 2 is coming soon
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I can confirm this is current reality.

Have fun staying poor haters Wink

Isn't it jolly good fun watching your wealth grow by leaps and bounds?

You realize you've earned more in an hour than most people earn in a year.

Anyone who has known about Bitcoin since 2013 and isn't rich deserves to be poor.

All you had to do was hodl.

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I can confirm this is current reality.

Have fun staying poor haters Wink

Isn't it jolly good fun watching your wealth grow by leaps and bounds?

You realize you've earned more in an hour than most people earn in a year.

Anyone who has known about Bitcoin since 2013 and isn't rich deserves to be poor.

All you had to do was hodl.

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How much BTC would you say is "rich".
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Bitcoin Dormancy Flow has reached the bull/bear threshold.


https://twitter.com/glassnode/status/1347527984232718339
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January 08, 2021, 01:55:54 PM

First 30k no taxes

For 2021 fiscal year they increased it from 30k to 50k. Smiley
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January 08, 2021, 01:57:06 PM

You tell them early and they laugh at you.

Years later they call you and complain you didn't tell them.

What a strange world we live in...


How much BTC would you say is "rich".

I'd say, double digits is "soon-to-be rich", and triple digits is "rich".
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January 08, 2021, 02:04:23 PM

The Dude is not going to like how I voted in the poll.

But I think BTC looks kinda toppy, and is overdue for a bit of a correction.


That said... This is why I do not trade.  I am wrong at least as often as I am right.  And if there was ever a time that could be different?

Fixed that for me.

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Anyone who has known about Bitcoin since 2013 and isn't rich deserves to be poor.

All you had to do was hodl.

That's not really fair for those who tried to live on it, or those who had to live on it. It is, just what it is. Yes, all of us who got in early could have hodl, but trying to find another way to put food on the table was quite stressful if you had no other source of income. Back then anyway.
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January 08, 2021, 02:10:08 PM

Eventually this climb is going to have to end.  But it sure is a nice ride.

Not until it sucks in all noob cash apparently.
Then we correct, only to bounce back higher.
That will also teach the noobs a lesson or two I suppose.

This is the way, the natural selection of hodlers.

There are some indicators for a major correction, please don't ask me for their names. Worth browsing good titter analyst messages, starting with bitcoinmetrics (IIRC, the S2F modeler). I see steady growth of candles on weekly, not so much in daily, here it's a more stepped rise, but almost linear over a couple of days. As long as the daily/weekly aren't producing double length green candles each day/week, i see no major correction YET. I may be wrong big time, don't take my opinion for granted.
On the other hand, liquid btc supply is dropping fast, there may be no significant amounts of circulating bitcoins by the end of 2021, if not even earlier.
My opinion: Insitutions just became aware of this, so the rally may not end until they grabbed all the available coins out there.
Then the real fun starts, and maybe even by then, no one is really willing to sell anyway and watch corn price climb, while possibly exploiting the shitcoin market.

Dips on the road because of said noob behaviour and "crypto flight" (diversification of bitcoin into shitcoins by noobs and anybody wanting to invest in crypto and having fiat).
Some other possibilities from there as well, like fast death of the dollar and it's reincarnation as some "eDollar", but that is not much more than sweet future music.

Anyone who has known about Bitcoin since 2013 and isn't rich deserves to be poor.

All you had to do was hodl.

That's not really fair for those who tried to live on it, or those who had to live on it. It is, just what it is. Yes, all of us who got in early could have hodl, but trying to find another way to put food on the table was quite stressful if you had no other source of income. Back then anyway.

I think you were not inside the scope of Caps' statement.



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I may post some beautiful of my photographs later on today, which i consider spam, mainly because they can't be nearly as beautiful to the hodler's eye as the pictures the bitcoin charts are painting lately Grin
Just let me know if it's too much  Cool
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January 08, 2021, 02:18:07 PM

Is this real life ?
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January 08, 2021, 02:19:05 PM

Is this real life ?

Is this just fantasy?
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January 08, 2021, 02:19:14 PM

Is this real life ?
Ask Rick.
I can't pinch you over the internet, sorry  Wink
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January 08, 2021, 02:19:21 PM
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First 30k no taxes

For 2021 fiscal year they increased it from 30k to 50k. Smiley

Time to learn that DeFi stuff.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-tax-increase-agenda-revived-as-democrats-win-senate-11610025764



WASHINGTON Democratic control of the Senate gives President-elect Joe Biden a much stronger chance of
raising taxes on corporations and high-income households.

Until this week Georgia runoff elections, Mr. Biden plans for tax
increases were running into solid opposition
from the Republican-controlled Senate. But now, Democrats will hold the White
House, Senate and House simultaneously for the first time in more than a
decade, and they are poised to use that power.

During his presidential campaign, Mr. Biden proposed
raising taxes on corporations, estates and high-income households, reversing key
parts of the 2017 tax cuts passed by Republicans and reprising policies
that the Obama administration couldn=E2=80=99t get through Congress. Democrats had
spent the time between November=E2=80=99s election and this week runoffs looking
at bipartisan compromises and examining what the administration could do
unilaterally.

Now, some of Mr. Biden's ideas are much more likely to become law,
said Steve Wamhoff of the progressive Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy,
who said that the president-elect's plans are less far-reaching than some
Democratic alternatives and are broadly popular with the public.

The issue was always, could Democrats get something on the floor?
And the
answer to that is now clearly yes, Mr. Wamhoff said. Biden did win
after campaigning on raising taxes on corporations and raising taxes on the
rich.

Even so, Democrats face a series of tough challenges to turn those
proposals into law with narrow legislative margins, a weak economy and a
still-raging pandemic. The results might look quite different from the
campaign-trail outlines, and the slim majorities may yield less than the $3
trillion in tax increases that Mr. Biden sought.

The Senate will be divided 50-50, and Democrats will have Kamala Harris
 breaking ties as vice
president. That means they can't lose a single vote, pushing them to look
for policies that unite progressives eager to address income inequality and
moderates worried about the effects of tax increases on the economic
recovery. The same dynamic holds in the House, where Democrats have a slim
margin.

One vote is a pretty narrow majority, said Mark Mazur, a
former Obama administration official who is now director of the Tax Policy Center, a
Washington research group. It's going to be a matter of persuading people.
But at least you have a chance.

Mr. Biden has said repeatedly and reiterated Wednesday that
 he wants to
work with Republicans. But unlike other policy areas, tax changes can pass
with a simple majority of senators, instead of the 60-vote majority often
needed for most other legislation. Democrats will face pressure from their
base to deliver.

The likely result: Up to $2 trillion worth of tax increases
over the next decade, says Donald Schneider, an economist and former House
Republican aide at advisory firm Cornerstone Macro. That is shy of what Mr.
Biden proposed but still a significant bump in federal revenue to pay for
new programs and targeted tax cuts and far beyond what could happen if
Republicans had held the Senate.

It makes an enormous difference, said Republican economist Douglas
Holtz-Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office.

Democrats may attempt to mesh these longer-term plans with their efforts to
provide tax cuts and other economic relief during the coronavirus pandemic.

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.), who is poised to be majority leader, said
Wednesday that one of the party=E2=80=99s first moves would be to authorize
 the
$2,000 stimulus payments that were blocked in the waning days of last year.

During the presidential campaign, Mr. Biden proposed more than $3 trillion
of tax increases over a decade to raise revenue to pay for some of his
spending plans, according to the Tax Policy Center. That includes
initiatives on the environment and health care.

For corporations, he would raise the tax rate to 28% from 21%, impose a
minimum tax on companies with lower effective tax rates and increase taxes
on U.S. companies foreign earnings.

Households making more than $400,000 would see their tax rates go up under
the Biden plan, and he would raise the top rate to 39.6% from 37%. He would
also limit deductions and raise payroll taxes for that group, though his
proposed payroll-tax changes may not qualify for the fast-track rules to
avoid a Senate filibuster.

He would also change how assets are taxed at death. Currently, people who
die with unrealized gains don't have to pay capital-gains taxes, and their
heirs only have to pay on gains after the original owner's death. Mr. Biden
would apply capital-gains taxes to those increased asset values at death.
The highest-income households would pay capital-gains rates roughly equal
to those for ordinary income.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.), the likely Finance Committee chairman, has a
different approach to the same issue, calling for annual taxes on
unrealized gains
. Democrats may end up going with a more modest
capital-gains tax rate increase instead, Mr. Schneider said.

Mr. Biden also proposed some targeted tax cuts. Notably, he called for
expanding the child tax credit to $3,000 from $2,000, adding $600 for young
children and making those payments monthly instead of once a year in tax
refunds. He also proposed tax credits for caregivers, renters and
first-time home buyers.

House and Senate Democrats also back those child tax credit expansions.
And Rep. Richard Neal (D., Mass.), chairman of the House Ways and Means
Committee, has been preparing to advance infrastructure legislation and
changes to encourage retirement savings, both areas that could be
bipartisan but could also move as part of Democrats efforts.

Democrats may also try to cut some taxes for high-income constituents by
repealing the $10,000 limit on state and local tax deductions. That is
important to Mr. Schumer and lawmakers from high-tax states such as New
York and New Jersey. But other Democrats, including progressives and those
from states without income taxes, may object.

Democrats will have to choose which tax policies to pursue first. They will
grapple with the complicated design questions to put details to the
campaign rhetoric. They will have to figure out when any new taxes should
take effect retroactively for this year
or prospectively as the economy
recovers.

They will do all of this amid a global pandemic in a situation where any
member's absence or illness can change the balance of power.

In both houses of Congress, it's going to be so tight as to defy
description, and everything has the chance to fall apart, Mr. Holtz-Eakin
said.

Democrats likely won't wait until the economy is on surer footing to pass
their tax increases, though they may delay the start dates of those
policies until 2022, Mr. Schneider said.

You have an opportunity to legislate, he said. You're going to do it.
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January 08, 2021, 02:21:25 PM
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they don't realize that bubbles are blowing everywhere right now, but Great Depression number 2 is coming soon

I've been reading about the imminent Great Depression II since 2005. They found a solution for that: a printing press. Which brings other types of problems and a good narrative for Bitcoin price surges.
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