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Tick tock, tick tock... ⏲️

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/07/chinas-property-problems-spread-to-once-healthy-developers-like-shimao.html

Torque's Prediction:

1. China's over-leveraged, mega Ponzi property market will start to finally, really implode by mid 2022. This will be the catalyst for another possible worldwide recession (did we ever leave one?)

2. Wealthy investors and hedge funds with insider knowledge will start front running these events, buying up Bitcoin starting Dec 2021 and resuming first week of January 2022. They likely already know what is coming and are front running it now.

3. To further fuel the fire, we could finally see a new U.S. Bitcoin ETF in Q1/Q2 of 2022. (this already happened Dec 2021)

4. We could see a new Bitcoin ATH and blow off top come mid year 2022.

5. China will of course retaliate by shutting down all onshore crypto exchanges, popping the Bitcoin bubble. Once again.  Roll Eyes The bears will then take over. China PBOC will then print yuan like a mofo and bail out any and all Chinese property developers.

You heard it here first. Just doing this for funzies. Typing it here to see how well my prediction plays out.
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Just an idea and some hopium for a recovery.




I thought I should add some context here, as only seems fair, or at least considerate. Last time the Daily RSI went into oversold conditions was May 18th (circled), prior to dropping 30% to close at around $36K. The RSI last closed in oversold conditions 5 days later (May 23rd) at $34K. Price then went lower to close below $30K, while the strength of the price generally increased during this entire multi-month period.



For starters, no I don't see a 30% drop, as price hasn't quickly rallied 6x within a few months, instead has merely doubled. But that said $34K or $36K I wouldn't rule out at this point, as is only -15 to -20%. As a reminder, trading of the RSI directly isn't advised, or at least not buying in when prices becomes oversold, but when the strength leaves oversold conditions. Ie, buying at $34K instead of $43K, or otherwise trading/buying when there is bullish divergence. Take the advise as you will, as not going to argue that buying back in May @ $43K wasn't a bad position for a decent discount, even if price did go significantly lower.

In this sense, RSI closing back into the bearish (30-40 level) from <30 would be a bullish sign, probably somewhere above $42.5K, but merely being oversold isn't inherently bullish what so ever, usually the opposite is true to be honest. On the other hand, the CMF hasn't been this low since March 2020, so this appears to be more of a bullish sign than price getting oversold on Daily time-frame imo. Patience is a virtue.

Edit: I see price just wicked down to $40.5K, good to see no mans land of $40K-$46K being covered so quickly (thought it could take weeks to be honest). Sub $40K and can start being bullish again  Smiley

I'm personally not seeing $40K-$46K range as providing much support given the volume gap, even if a dead cat bounce could occur from here at any moment
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January 07, 2022, 03:53:46 PM

It's weekend that usually means more dumping.

Prepair for $35k - $40k range that would be the final bottom.

Relief rally next week, i guess.
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Prepair for $35k - $40k range that would be the final bottom.


thems rookie numbers

just wait til proudhon gets here with MANLY (err aplacaly?) numbers. you will know real shame then.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjDr8KKtsE&t=155s

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Maybe some of your technical wizards like Dragon or Toxic et al can fix my errors here or fill in the blanks, but it looks to me lioke we are piercing the most liberally drawn trendline possible:



In the end I will be SUPER surprised if we are entering a new Bear (that is a capital 'B' as in 'Bitcoin Winter')... but the chance of it is bigger than ever so far in this "cycle".  So my "Cycles are on the way out" thesis is on the verge of being tested.

I should come up with some numbers, but I do not know how to do it.  At the very minimum I do not think we see a 80%+ pullback from ATH.

What is that umm...  We do not go below 13.8k?

See thjat's the other interesting metric.  That is the pullback based on the minimum % from other cycles.  But that also takes us to below the previous cycles ATH.  Since we have not gone up the same sort of multiples as the past, I don't see us going down that way either. 

I continue to propose that that model is breaking.

I think we see bears that last something like the last 6 month one did, and then probably new ATH again, but most likely not the same sort of huge multiple...  things like 3x instead of 30x.

LET'S GO BITCOIN!
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Why? Dude looks like a balless eunuch from the photo.

No girth or visible mass whatsoever.

Might as well have a vagene.
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I think it’s looking pretty obvious now that the bull market is over. It shouldn’t bother any of you on a long time preference. I sold nothing in the 2017 bull & regretted it for ages. Didn’t make the same mistake this time, dumped 25% of my bags between 53.8k & 65k, set for life & now, seeing this dump & likely transition to bear market……



We're probably going to 30k in the next 12 months, I will buy back what I sold there. If not, no problem, 75% of stash locked away.

I hope none of you made my 2017 mistake & deludedly thought bitcoin won’t go down.
If you did, I hope you can live peacefully until the next bull cycle which will start in 2024. If you sold nothing don’t worry, we will hit 100k & above but not in 2022 & most likely not 2023 either. 2024 & 2025 we ride again.
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January 07, 2022, 04:15:34 PM

I am glad that bitcoin's price didn't decrease a lot. I have 0.002 btc at that time and it's value in my fiat is around 6k to 7k where It wouldn't be enough for buying supplies for rebuilding the house as I call it home. Well as of now, internet connection is accessible and can be used for a limited amount of time mostly at 11pm to 5am where I managed to convert all the btc I have left to buy materials. I am a bit disappointed that the electricity will be restored at the end of January which is a bit longer than anticipated. THANK YOU BITCOIN AND SATOSHI NAKAMOTO.
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Maybe some of your technical wizards like Dragon or Toxic et al can fix my errors here or fill in the blanks, but it looks to me lioke we are piercing the most liberally drawn trendline possible:


Ok, I'll bite, that's the sort of thing I do  Grin

I see only 1 touch-point on this support trend-line from 2021, I'll assume a second one from 2020. The third one could therefore provide a pattern, but so far remains unconfirmed and therefore for now remains to be seen as a "random line drawn on a chart". I'd say the relevance remains low unless you follow "hyperwave" theory, in which case it'd be bullish breaking this second wave, as only leads to a market expansion.

Otherwise, what else do you see? Do you see marco higher highs with marco higher lows still? Personally, this is still what I see, despite the sideways price in between.

In the end I will be SUPER surprised if we are entering a new Bear (that is a capital 'B' as in 'Bitcoin Winter')... but the chance of it is bigger than ever so far in this "cycle".  So my "Cycles are on the way out" thesis is on the verge of being tested.

Truth is, we'll only get a reasonable confirmation of a Bear when $30K is broken and price creates a macro lower low. Even then, there'd still be higher high combined with lower lows however.

I should come up with some numbers, but I do not know how to do it.

What you do is you randomly assign percentages based on your current emotions  Cheesy

At the very minimum I do not think we see a 80%+ pullback from ATH.

Me neither, doesn't fit any logical Bitcoin price structure of the past 10 years.

What is that umm...  We do not go below 13.8k?

I'd say 99%. Below $20K and 200 Week MA, price would be in serious trouble, like multi multi multi multi year Bear. Very unlikely imo.

See thjat's the other interesting metric.  That is the pullback based on the minimum % from other cycles.  But that also takes us to below the previous cycles ATH.  Since we have not gone up the same sort of multiples as the past, I don't see us going down that way either. 

Exactly the point here. Price has only corrected 80% when there is a blow-off top, a parabolic rise. It was arguably possible in early 2021, but simply never happened. Too late now.

I think we see bears that last something like the last 6 month one did, and then probably new ATH again, but most likely not the same sort of huge multiple...  things like 3x instead of 30x.

I have a similar outlook. The short-term bear markets within a bull market structure as we had in 2021. Rinse and repeat, until a blow-off top eventually occurs.



I think it’s looking pretty obvious now that the bull market is over. It shouldn’t bother any of you on a long time preference. I sold nothing in the 2017 bull & regretted it for ages. Didn’t make the same mistake this time, dumped 25% of my bags between 53.8k & 65k, set for life & now, seeing this dump & likely transition to bear market……

I think that's fair if you felt over-exposed around >$50K prices, I'd also do the same. I sold smaller amount between $50-60K (fearing a lower high), and otherwise held the vast majority. No regrets either.

I still doubt the longer-term bull market is over, or more importantly I doubt the bear market has begun. I still see the 12-month consolidation between $30K-70K as bullish, with higher highs and higher lows.

We're probably going to 30k in the next 12 months, I will buy back what I sold there. If not, no problem, 75% of stash locked away.

Maybe consider some mid-$30K levels to re-acumulate? If price re-tests $30K support that wouldn't be great, it will only weaken it, but a higher marco low above this would certainly be good.

I hope none of you made my 2017 mistake & deludedly thought bitcoin won’t go down.

Personally I sold all my BTC at an average of $15K, but that was as a late investor at $5K levels during a parabolic run. No regrets, as re-accumulated between $6K-8K, but this year I don't see the same argument for selling significant amounts personally. The parabolic 4-year cycles have now ended, this much is true given $100K+ didn't occur in late 2021 / early this year. Each to their own though.


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Imho

Big players, institutional players, new people, who ever ….. have had 13years long to buy BTC on the cheap, over the years when BTC have become relevanter it have had serious dips and opportunities enough to buy cheaper, just as one is presented right now.
People whom invested in this apex asset of value are more and more keeping there hands onto it and are less likely to sell on the cheap… I think we will not have extreme low prices, people just have to buy on smaller discounts.
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I have spent giant JJG size walls of text saying what you said well in few sentences! Wink
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You really need another reason?

Yes please, ideally I'd like to see all three reason not just one. I'd also like to see a time-frame here, as appears to be lacking.
Is the second reason what goes down must go up further? If so, it's already well documented to be fair.

Thanks in advance  Smiley

YFI: If I was feeling childish I'd draw a 50% drop followed by another 50% drop, but I'll refrain for now  Tongue
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I think it’s looking pretty obvious now that the bull market is over. It shouldn’t bother any of you on a long time preference. I sold nothing in the 2017 bull & regretted it for ages. Didn’t make the same mistake this time, dumped 25% of my bags between 53.8k & 65k, set for life & now, seeing this dump & likely transition to bear market……



We're probably going to 30k in the next 12 months, I will buy back what I sold there. If not, no problem, 75% of stash locked away.

I hope none of you made my 2017 mistake & deludedly thought bitcoin won’t go down.
If you did, I hope you can live peacefully until the next bull cycle which will start in 2024. If you sold nothing don’t worry, we will hit 100k & above but not in 2022 & most likely not 2023 either. 2024 & 2025 we ride again.

I love this.  Because you are basically taking the exact opposite of the scenario I see playing out.  BTW, I think you did well to sell where you did, and congratulate you for locking in the life changing gains!  nice!

BUT. You are basically seeing this as another cycle...  and I am betting it is not. I do not think we have to wait to 24-25 for the next run.  In fact I think we will have 6-8 months max.  And even if we DO have to wait till 24-25 we never have the magnitude pullback we saw in cycles past.

I need to do some real due diligence before i start saying numbers like that... that's butt pencil math.

Anyway, I am glad someone I respect is taking the other end of this.  If I were a betting man, I'd offer you a wager.  But I am not, and will just risk my already shaky reputation. Wink

Here is a famous analyst who would be even more bearish than you insofar as the depth and breadth of the bear, who was famous for exactly 1 bear call years ago:


The master is tolling the bell of doom.  This is the man who called the 2014 bear market.

Mecячнaя кapтинкa cтoит нa гpaни.
Bo-пepвыx, oнa пoкaзывaeт пoддepжкy нa ypoвнe 35к
Bo-втopыx, фopмиpyeтcя мeдвeжий кpocc нa мaкд.
B тpeтьиx, цeнa идёт в aтaкy нa мa20, ycтoит ли пocлeдняя?

B oбщeм, ecли кpocc пpoйдeт и мa20 пpoбьeт, тyшитe cвeт, бyим пpoщaтьcя лeт нa 10.

The monthly picture is on the verge.
First, it shows support at the 35k level.
Second, a bearish cross at the MacD is forming.
Thirdly, the price is attacking MA20, will the latter hold up?

In general, if the cross passes and MA20 breaks through, turn off the lights, we will say goodbye for 10 years.



I am assuming this is based on the BIGGEST zoom out of Elliot Wave theory...
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