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Just another day, got hospital bills in, they are insane!

I feel for anyone without insurance.

I'll probably get sued, no way as there is no way I'm paying 4500 for an ambulance ride (not the first one but the second one to the trauma center which wasn't an emergency).

In the mean time enjoy.

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Just another day, got hospital bills in, they are insane!

I feel for anyone without insurance.

I'll probably get sued noway as there is no way I'm paying 4500 for an ambulance ride (not the first one but the second one to the trauma center which wasn't an emergency).

In the mean time enjoy.

https://i.imgur.com/VZfLof5.mp4

*I cant stop looping this.

Complete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1cUIXVWaV8

Bill McClintock has a bunch of 'em.

Also, check out Jaydiohead if you haven't for more mashup goodness.

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To decouple from the stonk market bitcoin needs to be unit of account. To make this happen a lot of work is needed to improve usability of lightning wallets. Looking at the price chart under self hypnosis all the day long is not enough.

Assuming LN is up to the job, of course.
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To decouple from the stonk market bitcoin needs to be unit of account. To make this happen a lot of work is needed to improve usability of lightning wallets. Looking at the price chart under self hypnosis all the day long is not enough.

Assuming LN is up to the job, of course.

Custodial most certainly is.  Where will have to have improvement is in non custodial options.  But I believe that WILL improve.

The part that bothers me, is I think it will continue to be a tiny minority that even cares about the difference.
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Suppose my total saving is on $20K and I have $10K in BTC which is about half BTC at this moment. My yearly income is about $20K/year.
At the same time, An veteran member's Total savings is $200K and he has $100K in BTC which is about 5 BTC at this moment. His yearly income is about $200K/year. In my opinion, Both of's pain is the same here. If you are a billionaire, $100 is nothing to you. at the same time, If you are a millionaire, You care about $100 but $10 is nothing. The example may not make much sense, But, What I am trying to say is, If a billionaire loses 50% wealth, and a millionaire also loses 50% of his wealth. Both are in the same pain. No matter how much was their loss. It's about % and who you are. A Billionaire would not much care if he lost $100K. But, A millionaire will definitely care if he loses $100K.
You're missing an important detail: the billionaire's life won't be affected if he loses 50% of his billions. He won't lose his house, and won't eat anything less because of it. It's definitely not the same pain if someone who ownes $100 loses 50% of it, which means he may not eat that week.
And that's why rich people can take bigger risks than "normal" people.
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That argument defeats itself, because it cuts both ways:  You fail to account for leverage in the opposite direction.

I strongly suspect that the current $20k–$22k range is a mirage, caused by massive organized dumping of the market using borrowed coins.

The price range right now is not real, except to three types of people:  (a) Fools who got long-squeezed and liquidated like me, (b) buyers who prudently kept reserves available to buy BTC now, and (c) whoever the hell is reaping huge dollar profits from shorting Bitcoin.  OK, well, I guess that the price now is real.  By your argument, it is not real.

You mean like exchange owners house trading on the own exchanges, naked shorting with re-hypothecated coins to push the price below real market value in order to scoop up more cheap coins?

That's pure crazy talk! No way they are doing something like that! /s
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I like buying cheap coin at the moment but fuck that, man.
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So, BTCitcoin fell to 20K as some were hoping for. But what was the reason for that. From what I've read in https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/great-celsius-implosion-what-went-wrong-and-how-much-more-will-bitcoin-drop it is another imploding "blockchain" company.

tl;dr. Celsius may have started as an arbitrage platform giving yield for those fools lending their BTC and shitcoins. But as the arbitrage dissapeared 6 months ago, they simply became a ponzi risking their client assets by making enourmous shorts. They had more than enough BTCitcoins to stop any increase in the price, liquidating practically 100% of the longs. But their problem is that what they do is perfectly visible by everyone. People started to realize slowly they've been scammed just like bitconnect.

 Now their margin call is at 16.8k (used to be 18.3K yesterday) as seen in https://oasis.app/25977#Overview. How much collateral BTC they will be able to add is unknown. Now we have a proof that all this downard pressure in the last 6 months was caused partially by this ponzi, who could give yields in BTC only if the price was falling. So, we need to cut off the cancer ASAP. People have to withdraw their funds and invest properly in BTCitcoin. After that I'm quite confident BTCitcoin will start recovering.

I considered using Celsius at the beginning, it seemed legit enough.

In the end I didn't do it, I guess I'm getting better at spotting bad actors. I never imagined they would actually be manipulating BTC price though, what a disgrace.
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I like buying cheap coin at the moment but fuck that, man.

Someone had to do it!  I was proud to be the one. Wink

Also... there is a trick all the angry hoards should learn:
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I like buying cheap coin at the moment but fuck that, man.

^^^ There's blood in the streets and there's "Kill me now!"
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That argument defeats itself, because it cuts both ways:  You fail to account for leverage in the opposite direction.

I strongly suspect that the current $20k–$22k range is a mirage, caused by massive organized dumping of the market using borrowed coins.

The price range right now is not real, except to three types of people:  (a) Fools who got long-squeezed and liquidated like me, (b) buyers who prudently kept reserves available to buy BTC now, and (c) whoever the hell is reaping huge dollar profits from shorting Bitcoin.  OK, well, I guess that the price now is real.  By your argument, it is not real.

You mean like exchange owners house trading on the own exchanges, naked shorting with re-hypothecated coins to push the price below real market value in order to scoop up more cheap coins?

That's pure crazy talk! No way they are doing something like that! /s

No doubt in my mind thats why the top was at least 20% lower than expected this cycle.

Derivatives are weapons of mass destruction, just a way for those in power to scoop off the top of a market..
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Just another day, got hospital bills in, they are insane!

I feel for anyone without insurance.

I'll probably get sued noway as there is no way I'm paying 4500 for an ambulance ride (not the first one but the second one to the trauma center which wasn't an emergency).

In the mean time enjoy.

https://i.imgur.com/VZfLof5.mp4

*I cant stop looping this.

Complete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1cUIXVWaV8

Bill McClintock has a bunch of 'em.

Also, check out Jaydiohead if you haven't for more mashup goodness.

IE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2fPmyH6Q6E&list=PL55D5C46E874E6C5B&index=2



checking it out now, thanks!

Edit: Naw don't like that rap crap.
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I like buying cheap coin at the moment but fuck that, man.

^^^ There's blood in the streets and there's "Kill me now!"

blood? where? hard to see under all the viscera and such piling up.
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Suppose my total saving is on $20K and I have $10K in BTC which is about half BTC at this moment. My yearly income is about $20K/year.
At the same time, An veteran member's Total savings is $200K and he has $100K in BTC which is about 5 BTC at this moment. His yearly income is about $200K/year. In my opinion, Both of's pain is the same here. If you are a billionaire, $100 is nothing to you. at the same time, If you are a millionaire, You care about $100 but $10 is nothing. The example may not make much sense, But, What I am trying to say is, If a billionaire loses 50% wealth, and a millionaire also loses 50% of his wealth. Both are in the same pain. No matter how much was their loss. It's about % and who you are. A Billionaire would not much care if he lost $100K. But, A millionaire will definitely care if he loses $100K.
You're missing an important detail: the billionaire's life won't be affected if he loses 50% of his billions. He won't lose his house, and won't eat anything less because of it. It's definitely not the same pain if someone who ownes $100 loses 50% of it, which means he may not eat that week.
And that's why rich people can take bigger risks than "normal" people.

Also billionaires usually own companies. If the stock market is down, they have less billions, but they still have the same amount of their company, that will probably go back up. In fact the billionaire family that owns (and whose father funded) the company I work at often buys the dips to grow their holdings. In a few years they've gone from 20% to 25%.
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...

An hour or so ago, Bitcoin Magazine published the below piece on Wasabi Wallet 2.0:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/wasabi-wallet-2-contains-new-features-for-optimizing-bitcoin-coinjoins

Note that author Shawn Amick did not mention anything about the controversy surrounding Wasabi working with blockchain analysis companies to censor their coinjoin UTXOs....

Hmm...
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That argument defeats itself, because it cuts both ways:  You fail to account for leverage in the opposite direction.

I strongly suspect that the current $20k–$22k range is a mirage, caused by massive organized dumping of the market using borrowed coins.

The price range right now is not real, except to three types of people:  (a) Fools who got long-squeezed and liquidated like me, (b) buyers who prudently kept reserves available to buy BTC now, and (c) whoever the hell is reaping huge dollar profits from shorting Bitcoin.  OK, well, I guess that the price now is real.  By your argument, it is not real.

You mean like exchange owners house trading on the own exchanges, naked shorting with re-hypothecated coins to push the price below real market value in order to scoop up more cheap coins?

That's pure crazy talk! No way they are doing something like that! /s

No doubt in my mind thats why the top was at least 20% lower than expected this cycle.

Derivatives are weapons of mass destruction, just a way for those in power to scoop off the top of a market..

So I have not expressed it a lot here but have spoken about it a bit on twangler.  Caitlyn whasserface who likes to talk a lot about "blockchain" from Wyoming...  She's always kinda given me the jibbities, but  one thing she brought to the fore for bitcoinners is "rehypothication".

I have often exchanged with her that I believed that one day we would see companies who try that (with a mathematically perfect bearer asset) get their asses handed to them.

Well..  Luna... Celsius, Blockfi?

Who is next?  We can only hope this is the "big one".  But still, allow me to smear my bullish interpretation all over it.

This will end up getting the attention of all the money people who have STARTED to get the idea that Bitcoin is different.  They will realize you cannot actually rehypothecate a digital bearer asset.  Because it is a  margin call waiting to happen.  Yes you can play all kinds of games with shitcoins... but ultimately Bitcoin is the backbone of it all.  And it does not suffer from those flaws.  There are no reserve banks to bail out these idiots.

It will take collateral damage like it is now...  But this is going to wake people up.  I think.

I am still waiting for the bull run for this cycle! Wink

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An hour or so ago, Bitcoin Magazine published the below piece on Wasabi Wallet 2.0:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/wasabi-wallet-2-contains-new-features-for-optimizing-bitcoin-coinjoins

Note that author Shawn Amick did not mention anything about the controversy surrounding Wasabi working with blockchain analysis companies to censor their coinjoin UTXOs....

Hmm...

Is Wasabi helping blockchain analysis companies track transactions?
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Looking for sub 20k in a few hours or so.

And now?

Not snark.  Not rhetorical.  Sincerely seeking your opinion.

Staying down for awhile is obviously better for me, as long as it’s not too far down.  I always examine my own biases; and I want to check for any potential bearish bias in what I believe are my most realistic assessments.  We have our disagreements on some issues, but you’ve been doing this for a long time—and you just almost doubled up your BTC, right while I was losing mine; so...

LOL. 

So Bitcoin is in step with the Nasdaq index like a couple synchronized swimmers... 

yep which is why the expected .75 fed move should level it off for some time.

I was hoping for the fed to do .50 or 1.00

either one would make more fud and spike btc along with the market a bit more.

the .75 will stabilize  the fud until more terrible oil gas and inflation news comes along.

I am thinking this is a lost summer for a rally and sometime in july we drop again once inflation show zero sign of stopping.

If you can buy at dca do so as  long as you can. I am set for 2 or 3  100 usd buys weekly for next 10 weeks.

I didn’t foresee any of what gave us our latest rapid crash from $28k to $20k.  Perhaps my own focus on inflation gives me some blind spots:  “News” that is shocking to others gets a shrug from me:  What news?  These manipulated CPI numbers are way too low.

Gave up long ago on speculating on how markets will react to Fed news.  The goddamn Fed doesn’t know that—obviously.  All of these Fed moves were supposed to have been priced in since the crash that followed November’s announcements, anyway.  WTF happened to “priced in”?  I thought the “tightening” was “priced in” by early January—at least enough to make this a small factor, dominated by other factors.  Whoops.

I did speculate to myself a few weeks ago that whenever Russia finishes conquering the Ukraine Any Day Now(TM), all markets will flash-crash.  I don’t know why they do that; it is stupid and irrational; but that’s what they do, and that is the reality.  I do not otherwise expect sub-$20k BTC (other than very brief killer wicks below).*

Anyway...  What do you think the prospect is for sideways along 200 WMA, slightly above and slightly below?  A chart that looks something like August–September 2015.  The “the .75 will stabilize... until” sounds like you expect sideways, then an even worse crash.  I am more optimistic:  I am thinking sideways-ish, maybe scraping along and around 200 WMA for a month (as has happened before), then a recovery (unless high-capital shorts/market manipulators prevent it).

The 200 WMA line is essentially meaningless, except as a Schelling point.  Thus, it is deeply meaningful.  I expect massive support there and in the range just below, because of all the buyers who don’t want to miss the opportunity before it’s bid up by other buyers who don’t want to miss the opportunity.  That is the demand side—versus reduced supply:  Moderately weak hands who refuse to mindrust out at that level, because they expect it to be the bottom.  Many STH who will happily dump us down at 5% or 10% above WMA will suddenly hold now, waiting to exit in the bounce.  Anyway, that is my speculative hypothesis—wholly qualitative, 0.0% quantitative.



* Addendum that grew out of a parenthetical—thinking aloud—this is generally more important than anything that I wrote above:

If war news very seriously blows up the markets while we are still around 200 WMA, I think that the “I’ll buy at $10k” crowd may get their wish for long enough to not-buy—while they proclaim an impending return to $3k, or “going to zero”.  Nocoiners who know enough about BTC to spout off price predictions, but still have not bought any, are nocoiners for a reason; they will mostly stay nocoiners, for that reason.

I want to put this publicly on the record somewhere:

During that weird pump in late March/early April—eight consecutive daily green candlesticks!—I hypothesized that high-capital Bitcoin bulls with indirect losses from BTC bear markets were purposely boosting the market, to buy us some cushion against their expectation of impending bad news.  If we had not gone as high as ~$47k, and spent some time thereafter building support above/in the $30ks—oh, hell, imagine that the month of May had started with us at/below the 200 WMA line!

I think that all markets are highly manipulated 24/7/365, so I don’t see this as exceptional—or even offensive.  Not even unethical.  High-capital bears short us to hell when they want, so why shouldn’t anyone with $billions of skin in BTC do the opposite?  Value fundamentals dominate BTC in the long term; but in the short term, the BTC price is almost entirely a matter of highly capitalized robots competing to out-manipulate each other as they all take away the money of traders who rely on TA astrology.  They are damn well smart enough to manipulate your precious RSI, moving averages, trendlines, etc. as second-order effects of price manipulation—not only to manipulate the short-term price movements.  Anyway, that is my theory—FWIW.

Accordingly, when we very suddenly rocketed out of the $30k range into the upper $40ks, and seemed to be building support at/above $45k, my read on it was, “We may soon crash back to the $30ks.  This is happening, to stop it from being a crash to the $20ks.  We will probably not reach the $20ks, because of this cushion that starts us falling from a higher level.”

I didn’t cover my leveraged long and salvage whatever BTC I could at $45k–$47k, primarily due to a psychological inability to dump BTC—and I hate to bet against BTC!  It also seemed not improbable to me that we may rocket straight off to $100k, no stops.  I did know that de-leveraging was the economically rational choice—I just couldn’t hit the SELL BTC button!  At several points in the upper $30ks to upper $40ks, I considered asking a friend to do it for me:  “Here is access to my account.  Please, I beg of you, recover whatever BTC you can, while I go drink myself into a stupor.  Send the proceeds to bc1q..., and keep a stack of sats for your time.  I will thank you forever.”  I considered that.  I just can’t hit that SELL button, unless a liquidator bot is a poised to strike at any moment.

I no doubt my earlier theory.  I now put it on the record anyway.  It could be right, much though I doubt it now; anyway, if I totally misread the situation in late March/early April, I would not hide that.

New theory:  The bears were laying a bull trap that would allow them to build massive short positions starting at the top.  IIIRC, Soros took a few months to build the position from which he suddenly crushed the £ peg within 24 hours—no, it was not that sudden.

Now, applying all of the above in a new context:

There exist sophisticated high-capital Bitcoiners who need for us to preserve the 200 WMA line as a bottom.  This is not about short-term nonsense:  This is about whether in 2026 or 2030, we can still have the 200 WMA line as a reliable Schelling point.  I expect that people like Saylor (not only Saylor!) DGAF about this dip-for-ants, in and of itself; but they must care about preserving a globally agreed Bitcoin Bottom in the future.

Surely, there also exist sophisticated high-capital anti-Bitcoiners who would be thrilled to shatter 200 WMA as a bottom.  Shatter it forever.  They only need to do it once!

Everyone knows that BTC can flash-crash deep below 200 WMA, very briefly.  Everyone knows that BTC can scrape along for awhile just underneath it, like now.  But many people remain confident that BTC will not really break below the bottom.

So, crush BTC to, say, >10% or >20% below 200 WMA for at least a week/at least a month/whatever.  If feasible, crush it to $10k for too long to be written off as a flash-crash or a fluke caused by panic.  Thereafter, no one will ever consider 200 WMA as a globally agreed Bitcoin Bottom.

When flocks of black swans continue to fly in, who will win?

100.0% qualitative, 0.0% quantitative.  My theory of where we stand—FWIW.

I am exhausted, so not even trying to assemble this into a coherent essay.  phil should be ok with stream of consciousness.
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...

An hour or so ago, Bitcoin Magazine published the below piece on Wasabi Wallet 2.0:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/wasabi-wallet-2-contains-new-features-for-optimizing-bitcoin-coinjoins

Note that author Shawn Amick did not mention anything about the controversy surrounding Wasabi working with blockchain analysis companies to censor their coinjoin UTXOs....

Hmm...

Is Wasabi helping blockchain analysis companies track transactions?

Yes.  Avoid Wasabi.  Do not trust.

That is the urgent message.  I will edit in here informational link(s) for you/quotes from Development & Technology, etc., after coffee/catching a breather.

(Clarification pending coffee/breather still:  Wasabi denies that they track transactions—they continue to claim that they
cannot
track transactions—but they are openly working with blockchain analysis to censor transactions.  IMO, their denials abysmally lack credibility.)

Later:  Instead of extending this post, I made a new post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg60370359#msg60370359
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