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Let's pick up the trash to collect Bitcoin, I think it's a good idea because so far Bitcoin has been able to survive when storms hit and floods hit.
So far, Bitcoin has been proven to be resistant to throwing stones (a negative issue) because it is coated with shatterproof glass.

Everything will be fine if you keep bitcoin because Bitcoin will forever have a price, unlike cash which can turn into trash.
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Bitcoin held in self custody is unique in its lack of counterparty risk. You can easily and cheaply store it yourself and send it around the world without trusting anyone or asking for permission.

As global market chaos continues this key value prop will become more obvious.




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I wonder how much contagion Credit Suisse becoming a power-bottom is going to cause...

The most so far, is my guess.
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https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/10/02/crypto-exchange-coinbase-temporarily-halts-payments-and-withdrawals-from-us-bank-accounts/

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Coinbase has temporarily halted transactions from U.S. customers, according to a status update made by the crypto exchange at 7:57 a.m. ET Sunday morning. The bug restricts U.S. bank accounts from making withdrawals, deposits or buys on the platform.

“We are currently unable to take payments or make withdrawals involving U.S. bank accounts,” Coinbase said in the statement. “Our team is aware of this issue and is working on getting everything back to normal as soon as possible.”

Coinbase released two subsequent updates that the issue was being investigated an hour after the first notice. At 8:23 a.m. ET, the exchange said the issue with transactions “has been identified and a fix is being implemented.”


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oh yea...get your coins off exchanges and #deleteCoinbase imho
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LOL, they just used the term "NoCoiner" in a commercial during the Vikings/Saints game.

Guy said "My Crypto is down" and Chick called him a NoCoiner. Cheesy

Good god that's awful
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There's always next year
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rumors about 'closed' Fed meeting tomorrow seem to be correct:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVIEjnTyCsA

predicts more printing after declarion of a "win" tomorrow aka pivot.
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There's no way to take BTC big moves lightly! 1st April btc price was 46.5k, btc has been dumping ever since June 13th a weekly close at 26.5k, weekly close below 27k and next week btc is around 17.6k. BTC Next Big Move Jodi Down Then Win Around $11-9K! What happens if the BTC pair moves up instead of down?
I would really like to see BTC at 27-30K😇.

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Did you actually write that Cryptolove20015?  You must be using Google translator or something like that - and at that same time, something has been lost in the translation - because your characterization also comes out as weird - even though I believe I get your point.

Even though you said that bitcoin has been moving down since mid June, it seems that you may have been trying to say that bitcoin bottomed out in mid-June just prior to having a June 13 weekly close at $26.5k and has been failing to significantly move up since that time while a good number of Bitcoin doomer and gloomers have been fairly credibly predicting lows in the $9k to $11k range, but they would surely be surprised if the BTC price were to go up rather than down (into the $27k to $30k range - contrary to an overwhelming amount of expectations for DOWNity. 

I am not really against any of what you are saying, yet the longer that we continue to have these grinding downs even causes some skepticism with any of us trying to retain some hope of a UPpity break-out.

Can these kinds of feeling be summed up as:  "Hope for the best, and prepare for the worst." ? ... ... Surely there are both better and worse scenarios than the ones that you had outlined, and for sure any relief rally would give us some kind of hope - even though something like last week's quickity bump from $18,600 to $20,400 does not seem to feel as good when we end up largely getting back to those prices and then bouncing around in the lower $19ks - and of course, some of the beartwats are also exaggerating some of the BTC price dynamics in order to paint their bitcoin doom and gloom picture by suggesting that we have not had any meaningful and/or significant relief rally all the way since our having had begun to drop from our November 2021 ATH.. so those are largely characterization claims that attempt to justify a prediction rather than really accounting for the reality that we cannot exactly know when our bottom has been reached until subsequently getting sufficiently high above it in order to proclaim that it is in.. and even those kinds of proclamations would have some kind of probability assertion, rather than being certain.

By the way.. don't get me wrong.. it seems that I am the same as you (Cryptolove20015), and likely many of the other dominantly BTC HODLers who frequent this thread in the frame of mind to welcome UPpity outbursts whenever such UPpity outbursts might come - and we have had several of those kinds of "relief rallies" in bitcoin's history - while at the same time it can seem like forever waiting for them.. and for me the 8-ish months in 2015 felt like forever for me.. and the seemingly ONLY 4-5 month wait in late 2018/early 2019 did not feel close to as painful as the 2015 wait....   Every time, we can say that this time is different in the sense that there are always going to be differences that cause the uncertainty to feel real this time.. and maybe the bearwhales have to cause those kinds of feelings to the extent that they are capable of accomplishing such pain and suffering upon the BTC HODLers .. in the sense of pushing the BTC price down as low as it can be gotten and to keep it down as low as it can be kept for as long as possible.. yet it still seems that at some point they will run out of ammunition.. We do have a limited BTC supply and it does seem that having such limited supply could cause some of those big cocky beartwats to get sufficiently reckt.. even if they might be a very large institutional actor, as state or some combination of those kinds of historically manipulating twats who want to (and feel that they can) always get their way (until they don't).
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rumors about 'closed' Fed meeting tomorrow seem to be correct:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVIEjnTyCsA

predicts more printing after declaration of a "win" tomorrow aka pivot.

If that's true...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx_LHSrjsCg

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Imagine what happens if we all get a loan, buy one bitcoin in an exchange and withdraw it to a cold wallet? But no. So don't be surprised why Chinese crypto sharks hodl our bitcoins on their exchanges and manipulate the market. They are printing even more busd to buy all bitcoins to manipulate the market in the years to come.

Not a bad idea..... .. and even if we could not get everyone to buy a whole BTC, then maybe we could get some to buy more and some to buy as much as they can.. .. such as 0.1 BTC to 5 BTC, and then hope that the median would be somewhere close to 1 BTC.. and sure maybe we could get some pressure on the exchanges, in terms of there not be as many BTC as they claim to have.

How many of us do you think would be capable of participating in such a campaign to buy  decently large amounts of BTC and remove them off the exchange?  More than 21 million?   Many of us already know that so many of the 3rd parties (whether exchanges or otherwise) do not hold nearly as many BTC as they claim to have, and if the BTC price goes UP while they are shorting bitcoin then they are fucked.. but if the price goes down while they are borrowing against their bitcoin they are also fucked... there are two ways to get fucked... but still a decent number of them have still been able to hide that they have been and continue to swim naked (or near naked).

The loan aspect of your proposal is dangerous, but not so dangerous if the person getting the loan is not reliant upon the BTC price to go up in order to service the loan.. and if they are able to service the loan no matter which direction the BTC price goes (including down), then the loan aspect would not be adding very much risk to the situation, so long as such individuals know how to properly calculate "ability to service."

Imagine what happens if we all get a loan, buy one bitcoin in an exchange and withdraw it to a cold wallet? But no. So don't be surprised why Chinese crypto sharks hodl our bitcoins on their exchanges and manipulate the market. They are printing even more busd to buy all bitcoins to manipulate the market in the years to come.
I can't imagine what happened to people who borrowed money to buy Bitcoins this year. Because this year everyone is struggling to survive and looking for ways not to lose more through Bitcoin, because to find profit is definitely very difficult this year due to the decline that is still happening

You will find that almost every single person who got reckt from their leveraging bitcoin this year came from their having had bet on the BTC price either going up or not going down below a certain price point.  That's called gambling, and using leverage to gamble allows for the amount of price move (or mistake) to be quite a lot less in order for total or near total Reckdom.

and also everyone does not need to blame others who have the ability to do great things like you said to the crypto sharks that came from China.

Who gives any shits about the Chinese?  Crypto sharks are in all locations, and also using peoples bitcoin to gamble and also not having as many bitcoin as they claim to have.. There are a lot of sharks and they are in all locations... You have likely already seen a decent amount of sharkening within some institutions in the West, and I would not put it past Coinbase to be engaged in such sharkening.. including their relationship with Blackrock will likely increase rather than decrease the sharkening.. but perhaps frequently make it difficult to prove from outsiders.. even though claims will be made.. but is there a court that will hear the matter, and won't the Blackrock attorneys beat you to death before you even get in front of a judge with your claim(s)?

Because he does it only for himself in terms of profit and if you are able to withstand and do better than that Chinese crypto shark did

Now you are getting specific.  Which Chinese crypto shark are you referring to?  It sounds as if you are referring to someone, and even suggesting that "crypto" and bitcoin are connected... Specify your point more clearly... or are you just referring to some vague mythical creature that we should fear?  Do Kwon? or someone else?

, then you are a better person than him and I don't think anyone will. forbid you in this.

As far as I know, there were other culprits besides chinese people who are currently on the run.. or somewhat on the run.. or are you referring to the two 3 arrow capital guys?  or the Celsius Ceo who just resigned.. Alex Mashinsky (that's not a Chinese name, by the way).. oh I had to look it up.. Kyle Davies and Su Zhu (cofounders of 3AC.. maybe both of them are chinese.. is that who you are talking about?) Whatever "mess" that bitcoin might be in with the ongoing corrections from overleveraged capital (miners were doing the same thing, no? and miners are all over the world) still does not sound like a Chinese phenomena to me.

LOL, they just used the term "NoCoiner" in a commercial during the Vikings/Saints game.

Guy said "My Crypto is down" and Chick called him a NoCoiner. Cheesy

That's weird.

Fucking shitcoiners are co-opting the "nocoiner" term and not even using it properly..

Wait wait wait...

Unless she was suggesting that his use of the term "crypto" revealed him as a no coiner, then that's somewhat brilliant.

Next thing they will have to do is say "fuck shitcoiners" but on TV they might have to use some characters in there.. something like "f#*@ s&#@coiners"
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I don't blame anyone because I also was not able to buy one bitcoin this year. But those sharks converted all stablecoins into busd to manipulate the market even more. We should do something before they buy all bitcoins from the exchange and withdraw them to their own cold wallets.

Hm?  I don't necessarily want to know your BTC stash size, but you have been registered on the forum since May 2017 - which would have been in the heat of the forkening wars and just prior to bcash split, so just think about how many BTC you could have gotten during that time period - as compared to now.. something like 1/10th the price of today's prices.   

If you are talking about getting 1 BTC this year, then presumably that would have been 1 additional BTC to add to your stash, and you are suggesting that BTC prices are too high to get 1 BTC? 

I would think that a lot of us were thinking that BTC prices would never return below $20k absent some kind of a wick or just a weird blip, and instead we are spending a whole hell of a lot of time below $20k, which would seem to be bargain prices.. and even staying below the 200-week moving average should seem to be bargain prices for anyone who actually has been attempting to study bitcoin while being into bitcoin for more than a year or two... which seems to be your case, hostm, based on your forum registration date.

I don't blame anyone because I also was not able to buy one bitcoin this year. But those sharks converted all stablecoins into busd to manipulate the market even more. We should do something before they buy all bitcoins from the exchange and withdraw them to their own cold wallets.
I think you are exaggerating a bit in your concern, because we have 19+ million Bitcoins in circulation (of course, some of it is surely lost) and a little less than 2 million Bitcoins that have yet to be mined. Those sharks, as you call them, simply don't have enough money to buy everything, especially not what smart people keep in their cold wallets and don't plan to sell at all - because for some, Bitcoin is a currency, not just an investment.

In addition, this is perhaps the first time in history that small ordinary people could outwit these sharks because they realized the potential of Bitcoin before them. They joined the game only after 2017 when they felt a possible profit, but with all the money they have, they can't make up for the time they lost.

Maybe Lucius is understanding the seemingly contradictory nature of your assertions (hostm) better than I am?

Each of us has to figure out whether we perceive bitcoin to currently be a bargain or not, and to attempt to accumulate as many BTC as we reasonably can do without recking ourselves by failing to adequately cover our own expenses and to make sure that we have enough cashflow (income) coming in to be able to justify how much we buy and/or if we leverage how much we are able to leverage without recking our lil selfies in the process.

And another good point made by Lucius is the time value of bitcoin, even though sometimes it can seem that some of us might have bought too many BTC when prices were higher than they are at currently, but there still remains a certain value in persistently buying BTC, even if some of the BTC you bought might have been at prices quite a bit higher than current BTC prices... It's the idea of time in the market rather than timing the market.. even though sometimes in the early years of accumulation it may well fell as if you have been spinning your wheels and you see some newbies getting into BTC at cheaper prices than your average price per BTC...  I believe that over time the persistent BTC accumulator is quite likely to come out ahead, so long as s/he does not over do it and cause himself/herself an unnecessary self-reckening.


I think that ToxicMoxic sums up the situation fairly well (advantages of long terms HODLers to make our beds early.. and to maintain such bed) in his Sunday Haiku.. ... which seems to be suggesting that our strategies likely take a while to pay off whether we are accumulating bitcoin or accumulating fiat, and once we go down either one of those paths, it can take a decent amount of time to change paths (if we were planning to change paths).

#haikuSunday

have nothing to fear
with bitcoin in my wallet
bought during the dip

legacy tumbles
they made their beds long ago
now live with the pain

holders keep hodling
yes, they know what the truth is
bitcoin forever


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