PenguinDice: An Open Source Bitcoin Dice Betting Tor Hidden Service

[piloder]

Is your dice site using blockchain to store and create the deposit addresses?

Yes you can check their source code they are using bitcoin wallet to create deposit address.
Script is not using any third party wallet for handling deposits/withdrawals. 

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[Betwrong]

Looks like a very nice site to me. I like dice game so I'm trying to check any new ones. Also this statement is amazing:

Do you want to make a few free bets? After you create your account, contact us and tell us your username. We'll credit your account 0.0005 btc (50 betting units). That's free money!

I created an account, username: Betwrong. Going to try my luck with Tor. )

[penguindice]

Betwrong,

I have added the 0.0005 btc signup bonus to your account. Please comment on what you think of the site after you've had a chance to bet.

Good luck!

-PenguinDice

[penguindice]

hinterlog,

The server uses the bitcoin core software to process bitcoin transactions. You can look in the source code to see how this works. A few examples:

// Create deposit address
$deposit_address = $bitcoin_rpc->getnewaddress();

// Send withdrawal transaction
$txid = $bitcoin_rpc->sendtoaddress($withdrawal_address,$withdrawal_amount);

-PenguinDice

[Catmony]

@OP does this script also works with altcoins? Have you tried adding few of the alts for deposit/withdraw. It is trend right now to have multiple alts in dice site, you can add more altcoins like dogecoin, litecoin etc.

[penguindice]

Catmony,

Right now the site is bitcoin only. But expanding to allow altcoins is a great idea for the future!

Thanks,

-PenguinDice

[Betwrong]

My account on penguinsyuo2gtvz.onion was credited with the signup bonus, 0.0005 btc and thus I had a chance to play there.

First of, I like the design of dice on this site, white dots on red. Those are best looking dice IMO.

Now how I played there.

I decided to bet on the most likely number (7) with the lowest payout(5:1) in case of hitting it. The bet amount was 1 unit (0.00001 btc). After 3 unsuccessful I hit it and my Balance became 0.00051950 btc (51 units).

Then I hit "Set all Bets to 0" button and pick another number, 2, with the highest payout. The bet amount was 1 unit again. With 14 bets I lost 14 units without any success and my Balance became 0.00037950 btc (37 units) and I had stopped that risky betting.

After setting all bets to 0 I chose to bet on two numbers simultaneously, 7 and 8. After 50 bets, during which winnings and losings were following each other my Balance became 0.00031942 btc (31 units) and I stopped for the time being.

Love the site. I'll be back for sure.

[penguindice]

Betwrong,

Thanks for the review! I'm glad you liked the site. Please do offer any feedback you might have after playing more at a later time.

-PenguinDice

[piloder]

@penguindice I think now its better to hire some designer and make good design like http://pocketdice.io which is pretty attractive and suits for your site. Than you can think about marketing plan and also clearnet version.

[veleten]

@penguindice I think now its better to hire some designer and make good design like http://pocketdice.io which is pretty attractive and suits for your site. Than you can think about marketing plan and also clearnet version.

the main idea for this site is the simplistic yet very user friendly design,no gimmicks,no unneccessary bells and whistles
TOR users are more concerned about their anonymity and speed than GUI and visual effects IMHO
I agree about the marketing part and promotions,when all of the potential bugs are ironed out,you may want to create some promo campaign
maybe some wagered contest,affiliate contest or buy ads at one of the bitcoin networks
I will definitely recommend the site-it is clean,fast and easy to use

[Catmony]

It is quite hard to target TOR based users i mean the one who have installed tor browser or know about dark web. So a normal domain seems to be must before going to any advertising or marketing strategy. Advertising in clean web will not work for TOR based webs.

[penguindice]

I did check out pocket dice and a few other sites like prime dice.

I've noticed that none of them work on the tor browser with the security slider set to "high". They need JavaScript, Flash, or other types of add-ons.

So whatever graphics improvements I make to my site I want to be sure they still work on the tor browser with maximum security settings on.

[adaseb]

I did check out pocket dice and a few other sites like prime dice.

I've noticed that none of them work on the tor browser with the security slider set to "high". They need JavaScript, Flash, or other types of add-ons.

So whatever graphics improvements I make to my site I want to be sure they still work on the tor browser with maximum security settings on.

I read that its very difficult to make yourself totally anonymous if a site features Javascript because some script can easily fetch your actual IP address. Isn't this how Satoshi's account got hacked because his tor wasn't configured properly a few years ago.

So since many dice sites require some type of Flash or Javascript it seems like it would be very difficult to implement something like this.

[Betwrong]

Today I was playing again on PenguinDice. The login process went smoothly and I once again enjoyed playing dice on this site.

I had lost all my Balance eventually but it has been fun. )

Btw I wouldn't recommend to change the design of the site like some in this thread suggested, because IMO it's perfect, especially for an onion site. I would add option to chat probably, but nothing more.

[penguindice]

adaseb,

Yes, JavaScript vulnerabilities have been used in the past to deanonymize tor users, by sending the user's real IP address back to the attacker. Anytime you enable JavaScript, Flash, or anything like that in your tor browser you make yourself much more susceptible to attacks. My idea with PenguinDice was to build something people could use with tor set to maximum security. Of course that does come with the disadvantage that the site will not be as interactive or visually appealing as the other dice sites.

-PengiuinDice

[penguindice]

Betwrong,

Thanks for that feedback. I'm glad you liked playing on the site.

Chat is something I could add in the future. Right now the site is pretty new, and usually there are only 1 or 2 people playing at a given time. So you'd be chatting mostly with yourself.

-PenguinDice

[veleten]

Betwrong,

Thanks for that feedback. I'm glad you liked playing on the site.

Chat is something I could add in the future. Right now the site is pretty new, and usually there are only 1 or 2 people playing at a given time. So you'd be chatting mostly with yourself.

-PenguinDice

it is always a pleasure to chat with someone awesome,haha
I think the social aspect is very important for any gambling site,but penguindice's main feature is anonymity
if you can implement the chat without JS,just plain HTML it will be a good addition, I think
you need more players,the best thing would be to advertise penguindice on bitcoin or TOR related forums
you can do it for free and it yeilds good results,too
another option is to buy PTC hits at sites like btcclicks and similar
you can get 10.000 unique visitors for under 0.01 bitcoins and create some players base

[penguindice]

veleten,

Thanks for those good suggestions!

Yes, I think that announcing / advertising on darkweb sites would be a good idea. PenguinDice would probably appeal more to people who already use tor and might want to try gambling on tor, rather than to people who are already gambling on clearnet sites.

I was actually almost in an agreement with the owner of Sigaint (a darknet e-mail site) to advertise there. But then about 10 days ago the service shut down with no warning or explanation.

-PenguinDice

[Betwrong]

veleten,

Thanks for those good suggestions!

Yes, I think that announcing / advertising on darkweb sites would be a good idea. PenguinDice would probably appeal more to people who already use tor and might want to try gambling on tor, rather than to people who are already gambling on clearnet sites.

I was actually almost in an agreement with the owner of Sigaint (a darknet e-mail site) to advertise there. But then about 10 days ago the service shut down with no warning or explanation.

-PenguinDice

Also, this place I think is good for advertising your site: https://www.deepdotweb.com/

I don't know how much they charge though. The place is really popular among Tor users.

[Ayers]

It is quite hard to target TOR based users i mean the one who have installed tor browser or know about dark web. So a normal domain seems to be must before going to any advertising or marketing strategy. Advertising in clean web will not work for TOR based webs.

many tor IP are already blacklisted here in bitcointalk, and it's not that hard for any site to blacklist them, there are service that check the IP that you are using, and admin can without problem ban those ip

Betwrong,

Thanks for the review! I'm glad you liked the site. Please do offer any feedback you might have after playing more at a later time.

-PenguinDice

how can you deal with anonymous coins, how can you prove that he send you the money in case he want to scam? it's better to not add support for zcash monero and the other with zero proof anonimity