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February 10, 2017, 11:13:24 PM
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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

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February 10, 2017, 11:22:54 PM
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Shitcoin after shitcoin will come and go but a few will actually solve some issues people have with bitcoin, namely the anonymity. There are lots of other currencies that are anonymous so I don't see why you're focused on zcash, unless this is just a poor attempt to advertise it.
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February 10, 2017, 11:35:16 PM
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Shitcoin after shitcoin will come and go but a few will actually solve some issues people have with bitcoin, namely the anonymity. There are lots of other currencies that are anonymous so I don't see why you're focused on zcash, unless this is just a poor attempt to advertise it.

I have no connection to zcash so no advertisement. It's truly anonymous, Moreno isn't. It isn't centrally controlled, so no buy and dump junk like ethereum. It uses bitcoin's scarcity algorithm. It has the most potential because the dark net is anticipating it. I think it has what it takes, I may be wrong but if I'm right, it will grow exponentially in value like bitcoin, something that unlimited currencies can't do.

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February 11, 2017, 12:38:28 AM
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 Oh and very importantly, zcash is memory dependent. It would take a technological innovation to take the mining away from GPU miners. Pushing out the small miners might threaten bitcoin in the long run. At the moment, mining alt currencies and getting paid in bitcoin is the only way most people can.

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February 11, 2017, 03:58:01 AM
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is not compatible compare, all people always choose bitcoin is compare zcash
if compare same Manchester united met football club division IV is can't compare

if compare good coin, ethereum , litecoin is bitcoin still above, only zcash only smile

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Yes. Its possible that two or more currencies to grow on demand. Thats depends on the support and demand of a particular crypto. Bitcoin is the most outstanding cryptocurrency in the world. Its still has no competition. Zcash is a good alt but the support is quite lower than bitcoin. Only time will tell if this coin could be a good rival of bitcoin.

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February 11, 2017, 04:36:18 AM
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Yes. Its possible that two or more currencies to grow on demand. Thats depends on the support and demand of a particular crypto. Bitcoin is the most outstanding cryptocurrency in the world. Its still has no competition. Zcash is a good alt but the support is quite lower than bitcoin. Only time will tell if this coin could be a good rival of bitcoin.
Stability depends on how long it has exist in a progressive manner, bitcoin has that, we have been into crisis but still we are here and seeing the price now would pay off our effort and the amount we risk to invest and support bitcoin. The competition is only among the altcoins themselves, but not with bitcoin, it's very strong and we have witness many times how the price of altcoins will fall once the pump of bitcoin starts.


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February 11, 2017, 04:44:34 AM
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Of course I choose bitcoin than zcash bitcoin has large marketcap,
 zcash just has a little marketcap.
I don't have reason for choose copycat coin like zcash
and premine 20% of zcash for the developer is high amount.
They can dump zcash anytime until there is no price.
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February 11, 2017, 05:17:29 AM
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Look at the polo charts and how will worth zcash soon? The current price of zcash is apparently down and it's mean it's the shit coin. and it can't be comparing with bitcoin.

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February 11, 2017, 05:25:28 AM
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At first I thought that zCash will has the chance to replace bitcoin because a lot of advertisers and blogs that are advertising it.

And I may seemed to be brain washed with their type of advertisement but now I realized that original will always be the best.

Go for bitcoin!

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February 11, 2017, 05:33:13 AM
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Altcoin can't replace Bitcoin. We have know altcoin (alternative coin) that's just an alternative, so everything that called "alternative" can't replace the main one (Bitcoin). Even blogs keep adveritisng zcash, it doesn't mean zcash is a main hero (instead it just a shit coin).

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February 11, 2017, 05:44:04 AM
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It has the most potential because the dark net is anticipating it.

No DM will accept this due to the Trusted Setup. In crypto, you should only have to trust math, not people. The Zcash team says it executed the trusted setup without any funny business, but how do we know for sure? The best answer is "because they said so" and that's a terrible answer. It can't be independently verified, and therefore can't be trusted.

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February 11, 2017, 06:03:59 AM
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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

Thoughts?

Even if zcash is the version of bitcoin with its flaws ironed out I will still prefer bitcoins. Zcash cannot replace bitcoins in the market, bitcoin has already made a name for itself and it has become the most used and most trusted cryptocurrency online. While zcash developers have made a fault during its launch when they made a super hype to the price of zcash. With that event many are doubting this coin.

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February 11, 2017, 06:13:36 AM
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Every cryptocurrency will come and go .but no one will be able to match the potential of bitcoins like it is today .with more and more bitcoin users increasing day by day it is quite impossible for the other cryptocurrency to be such promising like bitcoins .on the other hand in deep web also bitcoin is most widely and in legal markets also.
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Several currencies have been existing regularly, and very few are lasting long getting the trust of the people around the world. In such a scenario bitcoin will be the one to be the worthiest and zcash recently had a big pump but will not last longer.

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February 11, 2017, 06:49:38 AM
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i am sure that i will choose bitcoin than zcash because zcash is new crypto currency and if its a good coin, then it should need more time to proof it in future. and bitcoin as the mother of crypto currency is always be the best although for now the price is down, but still its the best and always be.

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There is no Altcoins out there you can compare to BTC at the moment unless ypu are a speculator. Zcash price would continue the downward trend for the next two years, I don't see what would move the price high unless a Dark market adopt it.

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A lot of people in this forum say that Zcash is a scam. I dont know much about it and I have done some googling about it and have found out that they have a solid team behind it. Are those people only trying to cause fear, uncertainty and doubt?

It does look overpriced. I might buy some at single digit values.


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your real question should be zcash or monero, since they share the same features, and are both very anonymous, bitcoin has nothing to do with them it's the king, altcoin are just a testnet to make bitcoin better int he future

zcash currently should have a stronger anonymity because it's based on zero-knowledge proof, while monero on ring signature, but monero have a stronger market in the deep web, it's more accepted
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Bitcoin has been proven already to be a good long term investment while ZCash is just new altcoins, which is better? Of course we should go with a more stable one, and that is bitcoin. Zcash still has so much to prove, it is not the value that is the basis but most important is the trust of the people.

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Comparing the two will not be the absolute right thing to do in my own opinion although their algorithm or infrastructure that they are both backed with as being illustrated by op but while op has been with us for a long while and have come to be accepted by the generality of people in the crypto-world unlike Zcash that is just trying to find a feet in this world but hopefully the dream of the developers can be achieved but its going to be a going process...

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Zcash will bow to Bitcoin any day because they failed to address the problems or limitations of Bitcoin and why would I throw away the original for a replica? Mind you most of these Altcoins are a fork of Bitcoin core.



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I guess if there were some other coin that will replace bitcoin out there, it wouldn't be zcash. Do not suspect that it will even grow like bitcoin. It is really possible that there would be another currency to grow in demand that would go on par with bitcoin or dethrone it, but it wouldn't be zcash I repeat again since even if it is good to use and it offers anonymity, there are many more currencies out there better than it that I think might go on par with bitcoin.

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I do not think that these two currencies will work together without any problem. With that establishment there will be a lot of economic issues to us. By the way it is not possible for zcash that it increase u to the level that it replace bitcoin or stan the same as bitcoin because it is only the traders who are relying on zcash for their profit while not much market is adopting it for ther business.


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Bitcoin has been proven already to be a good long term investment while ZCash is just new altcoins, which is better? Of course we should go with a more stable one, and that is bitcoin. Zcash still has so much to prove, it is not the value that is the basis but most important is the trust of the people.
Certainly, it is not right to compare zcash to bitcoin because they have really huge difference. Bitcoin was already accepted in the market. It can be use wether legal or illegal. Although they both have that security features which is great, Bitcoin will be still be used because it is trusted coin that keeps the anonymity of its users. However, I think in the future, zcash can take over Bitcoin if it can survive market problems which Bitcon had already done.

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February 11, 2017, 10:50:31 AM
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I do not think that these two currencies will work together without any problem. With that establishment there will be a lot of economic issues to us. By the way it is not possible for zcash that it increase u to the level that it replace bitcoin or stan the same as bitcoin because it is only the traders who are relying on zcash for their profit while not much market is adopting it for ther business.
What did I just read ? You okay pal?
Why would bitcoins and zcash work together ? Did satoshi secretly started a joint venture or something ? Not that I'm aware of,at-least their github doesn't say that.And Yeah I like stan.


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February 11, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
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Asking this question is like choosing between a sport car and a bike. This is such a "common sense" kind of question. Of course, most of us will choose bitcoin since it is stable and bitcoin already prove that it is a great kind of investment which can give a lot of benefit for us, One of them are profit and security. Zcash is just like a waste for me since it just a kind of hype and i'm not interested to risk my money or bitcoins on that altcoin.

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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

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well believe it or not majority of people who are using cryptocurrencies are not looking for using them in underground dark corners of the internet!
it has always been mostly for investment and then for a decentralized cash that they can use online without the hassle of the banks.

and bitcoin offers more than enough privacy and anonymity to all these users. and none of them even have to use a mixer, or even if they do they reach a higher level of privacy without any problems.














 

 

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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

Thoughts?

Whatever altcoin will come or be invented I would not change bitcoin for anything else so I would choose bitcoin instead of Zcash.

Zcash is a new coin, maybe has a good potential to grow since they seems to be more anonymous than bitcoin, same with monero.


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February 11, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
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Bitcoin has been proven already to be a good long term investment while ZCash is just new altcoins, which is better? Of course we should go with a more stable one, and that is bitcoin. Zcash still has so much to prove, it is not the value that is the basis but most important is the trust of the people.
I agree with bro. I trust bitcoin and many people also trust . zcash is new altcoin and little market only while bitcoin have large market now. Yes is not the value the trust of many people is the very important of that. Bitcoin have proven and zcash will starter only a little month I think correct me if I'm wrong .  bitcoin is the original it cannot replace it for long time .  Bitcoin will become popular everyear and many countries accept the bitcoin. So please don't compare the bitcoin to zcash.

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obviously bitcoin and i have simple reason why i choose bitcoin because bitcoin has proof that could live more than 7 years and Zcash even still not reach for 1 year after launched and if you save bitcoin and Zcash for next 5 years then which coin would more valuable and i think majority answers will says bitcoin more valuable

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Shall not forget that many solutions are developing to make completely anonymous Bitcoin which will allow competitions like Dash and Monero. And is only a matter of months or years. You need a consensus, what's going to be complicated for Bitcoin.
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February 11, 2017, 12:49:26 PM
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There is no place for fully anonymous coin with integrated tumbler. Authorities can't and won't allow that.
Ponder for a while, what is, or should be the main goal of every cryptocurrency? That is right, to be used by larger number of people.
Total adoption, filling out the niche, what niche will Zcash fill? It will be great tool if you want to buy something from dark market.
I am afraid that zcash adoption will be hindered and eventually stopped by legal issues. Just wait for it.
There is no need to touch zcash now as the coin with 21 million market cap is insignificant.
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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

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I was thinking about, Bitcoin vs Zcash, the Original vs Copy cat. We already know that zcash is a copy cat of bitcoin. And of course, I still go for bitcoin has been  established  for so many  years, compare to zcash, and the communities and the advertising company adopting it too. Meaning,  Bitcoin is much more stronger than it.

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Bitcoin is the obvious choice people, there aren't any argument; it's more stable and versatile than its fork which is the Zcash which sort to address some of Bitcoins challenges but failed miserably. I doubt if we were to organize a poll as to what to invest in for a year anybody would choose Zcash ahead of Bitcoin, never!



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February 11, 2017, 02:03:43 PM
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Shitcoin after shitcoin will come and go but a few will actually solve some issues people have with bitcoin, namely the anonymity. There are lots of other currencies that are anonymous so I don't see why you're focused on zcash, unless this is just a poor attempt to advertise it.

Really how can be bitcoin even equal to Zcash. Nothing can be compare to bitcoin not any Altcoin or any other service. Such attempts wont even make this shitcoins popular rather people will feel pity for zcash or any other coins as everyone knows nothing in cryptoworld is comparable to bitcoins.

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Bitcoin is the obvious choice people, there aren't any argument; it's more stable and versatile than its fork which is the Zcash which sort to address some of Bitcoins challenges but failed miserably. I doubt if we were to organize a poll as to what to invest in for a year anybody would choose Zcash ahead of Bitcoin, never!

Bitcoin will always be the best choice in crypto currency. It will always be the conqueror because will always choose bitcoin instead of other coins. If we are going to base the coin marketcap. Its obvious that bitcoin is the leading among other altcoins such as zcash.



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February 11, 2017, 02:12:28 PM
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Still choose bitcoin, zcash offered a good feature but it still in a very unstable condition, and there are not a lot of user using it, so i will wait until it more stable and then maybe i will try to used, but for now i choose bitcoin and will only invested in bitcoin
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February 11, 2017, 03:54:35 PM
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Come on man zcash is new currency it's not even a year old. Even though it may claim to have better features than bitcoin but how can you trust it , there are so many coins coming daily and they end uo scamming people like the recent case of one coin. Even though many people mine it and are getting good results but I don't trust the currency and also you are comparing it with the best one out there which makes no sense.

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There is no place for fully anonymous coin with integrated tumbler. Authorities can't and won't allow that.
Ponder for a while, what is, or should be the main goal of every cryptocurrency? That is right, to be used by larger number of people.
Total adoption, filling out the niche, what niche will Zcash fill? It will be great tool if you want to buy something from dark market.
I am afraid that zcash adoption will be hindered and eventually stopped by legal issues. Just wait for it.
There is no need to touch zcash now as the coin with 21 million market cap is insignificant.

Anonymous coins are ideal for everyone, not just for those on the dark markets. For example, if you pay your landlord in BTC, they can see how much BTC that account has, and if there's a large amount, they could think you could afford to pay more rent, and charge you more rent. This happens now when landlords require a paystub. If you make more, they charge you more. Or if you used BTC to give money to a charity or to a political cause, that could be used against you by your employer, acquaintances, etc.

WIth Monero, there is no risk in any of those cases since it's private and transaction amounts are not visible on the blockchain. The amount of money you have, and who you choose to give it to is also private.

Additionally, BTC has fungibility problems that can't go away. This means that some BTC is not worth what other BTC is. Coinbase and other exchanges have denied or even frozen BTC since those BTC were used in the past for purposed deemed by them to be unacceptable. Now those coins are worth less than others. Andreas Antonopoulos, a former Bitcoin Core developer, acknowledges the Bitcoin fungibility problem in a YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak1iojpiHpM&feature=youtu.be&t=33m9s  Since Monero is completely private, it is completely fungible. This scenario can't happen with Monero.

Private money is in everyone's best interest. BTC is great for businesses where transparency is either desired or required. But for personal use, I don't want people with access to the blockchain (everyone) to see where or how I spend money or how much (or little) money I have.

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
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February 12, 2017, 01:45:34 PM
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your real question should be zcash or monero, since they share the same features, and are both very anonymous, bitcoin has nothing to do with them it's the king, altcoin are just a testnet to make bitcoin better int he future

zcash currently should have a stronger anonymity because it's based on zero-knowledge proof, while monero on ring signature, but monero have a stronger market in the deep web, it's more accepted

Thats a good point. What is better for you? Is it Zcash or Monero? I have no deep knowledge with the technology behind them and I want to know which one is better for anonymity. Is it ring signatures or zero knowledge proof? Please kindly explain each of them and how they anonymize transactions briefly.


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Yes, there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially. But alternative of Bitcoin is not Zcash. Zcash is a miners pump and dump coin and nobody will remember the name 4-5 years later. If you put an alternative try choosing a real one like Monero. Monero offer something real, Zcash don't. Bitcoin is still the leading cryptocurrency and it forever will be. That's why other coins called "alternative", they are Bitcoin's alternatives.

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February 12, 2017, 05:23:09 PM
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@Pinkflower Monero is less private, the network keeps a record of every transaction ever made. So if authorities seize a wallet they can see every transaction in history. Not NSA safe for sure. The user is anonymous until they get proof linking them to the wallet, then they're screwed. Zcash makes it impossible to track, they have a way of tracking the money and preventing counterfeiting that doesn't depend on tracking spending, at leat not for the encrypted wallets. You can also have a transparent wallet that is public record.

@ingiltere What does Monero offer? A hard split if they want to offer as much as zcash.


Their goal is less volatility. They want to currency to be more stable so it is being eased down to market value. Zcash is declining in price because it's supposed to. The developers have talked about two implementation strategies. A slow start, keeps miners from getting massive amounts of coins early. That was to prevent a dump. The second was to keep demand in check. They have intentionally kept the crappy Linux wallet system to limit access to the coin. They have said there will be GUI wallets for all platforms in the future. As long as the market share keeps growing over time and volume goes up, it's potential remains. When the wallets become easy, demand for the coin will spike and the darknet will most likely adopt the coin. There are many reasons to favor zcash, when people reference zcash technology to promote their own coin, it plants in the psyche that zcash is the standard.

The biggest threat I see to bitcoin are ASIC miners. They are centralizing the coins, if people are excluded they won't be a part of the market, then the only way is down. So be wary of any ASIC mined coin in the long run.



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you know what solves the problem of bitcoin,ethereum and zcash?

tezos... google it

this will probably be the last cryptocurrency standing

though it'll take years to beat eth and btc
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you know what solves the problem of bitcoin,ethereum and zcash?

tezos... google it

this will probably be the last cryptocurrency standing

though it'll take years to beat eth and btc

You're right, we have access to BTC through altcoins. Still leaves the market open to manipulation as currency is concentrated. But if I can get rich off of someone else's manipulation, I'm all for it.

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Look at the polo charts and how will worth zcash soon? The current price of zcash is apparently down and it's mean it's the shit coin. and it can't be comparing with bitcoin.

Agree that no one crypto currency can compete with bitcoin, I do not understand why he was trying to compare zcash with bitcoin while eth looks more potential but until this day still can not compete with bitcoin.

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Look at the polo charts and how will worth zcash soon? The current price of zcash is apparently down and it's mean it's the shit coin. and it can't be comparing with bitcoin.

Agree that no one crypto currency can compete with bitcoin, I do not understand why he was trying to compare zcash with bitcoin while eth looks more potential but until this day still can not compete with bitcoin.

Eth is unlimited supply is it not? Can't deflate, only inflate.

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Look at the polo charts and how will worth zcash soon? The current price of zcash is apparently down and it's mean it's the shit coin. and it can't be comparing with bitcoin.

Agree that no one crypto currency can compete with bitcoin, I do not understand why he was trying to compare zcash with bitcoin while eth looks more potential but until this day still can not compete with bitcoin.

Eth is unlimited supply is it not? Can't deflate, only inflate.

it's not unlimited it's around 88 millions, you have a deflationary system like bitcoin but etheruem will go pos they said, but still not sure, but would make etheruem less appealing than zcash and can probably lose some position in marketcap against zcash and more against bitcoin

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zcash without bitcoin is die, because nothing exchanger support trade zcash to fiat money
bitcoin without zcash no problem, zcash not important , bitcoin not need zcash, but zcash always need bitcoin




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Whatever you will invent, being supposedly the Bitcoin killer, it will never surpass Bitcoin. ZCash can at best stay a little toy if it not totally disappear.

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zcash without bitcoin is die, because nothing exchanger support trade zcash to fiat money
bitcoin without zcash no problem, zcash not important , bitcoin not need zcash, but zcash always need bitcoin

I'm willing to bet some currency will not need bitcoin soon. Might not be zcash but bitcoin will not be king forever.

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zcash without bitcoin is die, because nothing exchanger support trade zcash to fiat money
bitcoin without zcash no problem, zcash not important , bitcoin not need zcash, but zcash always need bitcoin

Almost all altcoins need bitcoin, cuz only few can be exchanged to fiat. Dont know for lical ones but major are like this.

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zcash without bitcoin is die, because nothing exchanger support trade zcash to fiat money
bitcoin without zcash no problem, zcash not important , bitcoin not need zcash, but zcash always need bitcoin

Almost all altcoins need bitcoin, cuz only few can be exchanged to fiat. Dont know for lical ones but major are like this.

Bitcoin is 8.5 years old, most other currencies are new. Most will fail and only a few will be truly profitable. But the winners will most likely be able to change to fiat soon. Any coin that shows growth and stability will likely achieve fungibility.

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Look at the polo charts and how will worth zcash soon? The current price of zcash is apparently down and it's mean it's the shit coin. and it can't be comparing with bitcoin.

The price was always blown out of proportion with the initial boom and the marketing they had prior to the release and it was obvious that the price would come down for Zcash and more people are using it to mine and dump it in the market at the moment .I wont call it a shit coin because if you really want anonymous transaction then you can use it.



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Well it seems OP is all in for zcash Smiley, anyway I do think both currency can exist hand in hand, depend on the purpose of the people.  As one of the earlier post said, we don't want the world to see how much is our wealth,do we?  So i guess anonymous coin have their purpose and and so bitcoin is Smiley

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I'm buying Monero and Dash as well just to be safe,I also plan on having a few btc before next halving, but I'm mostly mining zcash because I think its advantages will win out in the end. Remember, bitcoin was $0.20 before the Silk Road, don't forget how it got where it is now.

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Look at the polo charts and how will worth zcash soon? The current price of zcash is apparently down and it's mean it's the shit coin. and it can't be comparing with bitcoin.

Agree that no one crypto currency can compete with bitcoin, I do not understand why he was trying to compare zcash with bitcoin while eth looks more potential but until this day still can not compete with bitcoin.
I think the initial distribution and the fee that the miners have to pay are a big problem for serious investors. However, if they have a technology capable of outperforming other cryptocurrencies in terms of fungibility, there will probably be demand. The problem is that not even people working on the currency development know how to clarify how this technology works.
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I'm buying Monero and Dash as well just to be safe,I also plan on having a few btc before next halving, but I'm mostly mining zcash because I think its advantages will win out in the end. Remember, bitcoin was $0.20 before the Silk Road, don't forget how it got where it is now.
You have to realize that while Bitcoin is at the point where it is now, it got to that way by essentially just being the first crypto to ever really grow because anyone and everyone could take part in it.

Having altcoins as safeguards definitely isn't an issue, however don't expect one to grow like Bitcoin ever again.
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I'm buying Monero and Dash as well just to be safe,I also plan on having a few btc before next halving, but I'm mostly mining zcash because I think its advantages will win out in the end. Remember, bitcoin was $0.20 before the Silk Road, don't forget how it got where it is now.
You have to realize that while Bitcoin is at the point where it is now, it got to that way by essentially just being the first crypto to ever really grow because anyone and everyone could take part in it.

Having altcoins as safeguards definitely isn't an issue, however don't expect one to grow like Bitcoin ever again.

I don't expect any crypto to ever start at an immeasurably small value and then become worth a fortune, but bitcoin opened a new market. In 2015 there was 3.2 billion people on the internet, I could guess cryptos are still below 100 million. Since it is money, it will most likely continue to grow. It can stay niche and become huge though. I expect a LOT more growth than is already happened. If you're in now, you are stil an early adopter.

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Well it depends on the demand really. Right now the most accepted cryptocurrency is Bitcoin, and I mean it only shows us it has a low popularity. And Zcash however I can't see anything as of now that it is being accepted as a form of payment. Well for me it can only be one Cryptocurrency to be accepted in the market and Bitcoin is currently leading that.

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February 13, 2017, 12:51:10 AM
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Well it depends on the demand really. Right now the most accepted cryptocurrency is Bitcoin, and I mean it only shows us it has a low popularity. And Zcash however I can't see anything as of now that it is being accepted as a form of payment. Well for me it can only be one Cryptocurrency to be accepted in the market and Bitcoin is currently leading that.

Yeah, i will choose bitcoin too because it has a lot of supporter and trading volume is very huge and stable unlike zcash that the price was very volatile and has low supporter, because of that, it maybe collapse anytime and it is very risky to invest


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February 13, 2017, 01:10:30 AM
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+1 for bitcoin. Zcash was born yesterday. Smiley
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February 13, 2017, 01:48:47 AM
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I'm buying Monero and Dash as well just to be safe,I also plan on having a few btc before next halving, but I'm mostly mining zcash because I think its advantages will win out in the end. Remember, bitcoin was $0.20 before the Silk Road, don't forget how it got where it is now.
Yeah, zcash will gain his momentum but you must be patience for some years later. With the early mine and supply is always increase every time and it makes me difficult to determining the future of zcash.

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February 13, 2017, 04:09:39 AM
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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

Thoughts?

Yeah, bitcoin. To me,  any altcoin will be not pass the price of bitcoin. Certain altcoins become popular during certain periods.
Litecoin was a very popular period. Now zcash is very popular. But when the prices of the altcoins increase, the price will increase in proportion to the bitcoin.

That's why my thinking is in the direction of bitcoin.
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Still I am for BTC or bitcoin. Though Zcash is gaining  base supports,still bitcoin is number 1 and it has already proven to us its worth,purpose and reliability. Zcash has more challenges to hurdle to prove itself but it is worth a try.

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February 13, 2017, 06:26:41 AM
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Well it seems OP is all in for zcash Smiley, anyway I do think both currency can exist hand in hand, depend on the purpose of the people.  As one of the earlier post said, we don't want the world to see how much is our wealth,do we?  So i guess anonymous coin have their purpose and and so bitcoin is Smiley

What reason do you think will both Zcash and Monero can co exist in a very competitive market?

On another note. Are both cryptocurrencies scalable? I read about both and checked out their websites and I found out that in Monero, it doesnt and will not scale because the blocks are bigger than BTC's blocks. The same case may also be for Zcash.


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Still I am for BTC or bitcoin. Though Zcash is gaining  base supports,still bitcoin is number 1 and it has already proven to us its worth,purpose and reliability. Zcash has more challenges to hurdle to prove itself but it is worth a try.

Yeah. And bitcoin is well established rather than any coins,  like zcash or monero. Im still with bitcoins because I found it convenient to use because there are many companies are now accepting it. And when it comes to reputation, I think bitcoin has an edge between the two.

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I really doubt that zcash will ever replace bitcoin as the cryptocurrency king and it will never dethrone it since bitcoin is more trusted than any of the altcoins out there who are reputable and zcash is not one of those reputable coins so I cannot see why it will dethrone bitcoin unless it got famous and attracted all bitcoin users all over the world. The chance of it happening is probably low though.
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Altcoin can't replace Bitcoin. We have know altcoin (alternative coin) that's just an alternative, so everything that called "alternative" can't replace the main one (Bitcoin). Even blogs keep adveritisng zcash, it doesn't mean zcash is a main hero (instead it just a shit coin).


Actually I have no idea on zcash or even how much its price. It simply means that it is not very well known. For me, bitcoin crypto more popular compare to others  with higher value-priced and known worldwide.


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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.


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February 13, 2017, 01:10:59 PM
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I'm buying Monero and Dash as well just to be safe,I also plan on having a few btc before next halving, but I'm mostly mining zcash because I think its advantages will win out in the end. Remember, bitcoin was $0.20 before the Silk Road, don't forget how it got where it is now.
Yeah, zcash will gain his momentum but you must be patience for some years later. With the early mine and supply is always increase every time and it makes me difficult to determining the future of zcash.


Unlike bitcoin, zcash market movement is price deflation. Its price is always going down as the number of coins is increasing from mining. Bitcoin on the other hand is more likely to keep on price inflation. We have witnessed how it increased in value over the years since 2009. There are no more reason why we should choose bitcoin over zcash but its just that bitcoin is simply the best and even history has been a witness to that.

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Skiped this one. Like more some others monero or dash and eather.
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Bitcoin, had been the king, and still the king, and will always be the king.  The currency that will beat Bitcoin had never been created. So I guess it would be better if someone starts creating lots of Coins in order to beat Bitcoin, who knows maybe one of those that will be created will beat bitcoin someday Smiley.

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Still I am for BTC or bitcoin. Though Zcash is gaining  base supports,still bitcoin is number 1 and it has already proven to us its worth,purpose and reliability. Zcash has more challenges to hurdle to prove itself but it is worth a try.
The only use of Zcash at the moment is trading and other than that i did not find any valid use and if you are miner you can make some money since it is a new coin,they have to build casino's that start accepting Zcash ,you really cannot compare bitcoin with Zcash.
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Still I am for BTC or bitcoin. Though Zcash is gaining  base supports,still bitcoin is number 1 and it has already proven to us its worth,purpose and reliability. Zcash has more challenges to hurdle to prove itself but it is worth a try.
The only use of Zcash at the moment is trading and other than that i did not find any valid use and if you are miner you can make some money since it is a new coin,they have to build casino's that start accepting Zcash ,you really cannot compare bitcoin with Zcash.

They have on their faq that they have no plans to make any wallets other than the crappy linux wallet. They will depend on the community for that. There still isn't any windows wallet that is sure to be virus free. The good news for people betting on Zcash is there are two hardware wallets that support it while 0 that support Monero. Ledger Nano S supports Z type private wallet and Trezor supports Zcash and Dash now. So Hardware developers have placed zcash as higher priority than most cryptos. I'm just wondering why such a pro developer team won't make some damn wallets.

maybe with the adoption of the two most popular hardware wallets, we can start seeing it spent or traded directly. Bitcoin is losing its place already as the entry point for cash to crypto, Tether is rising fast as a stable storage and entry point to the crypto market. Now if we could just get some damn credit card purchases.

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Zcash still can't compete with bitcoin, the volume transaction and the amount of user still far away from bitcoin and then the trust level for zcash still too low, from the feature zcash is one of the potential coin to grow but to beat bitcoin and for user to invest in zcash still a difficult things to do, so zcash still need time to grow

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February 15, 2017, 11:34:28 PM
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I do think in 10-15 years any high performing coin today has the potential to rise higher than bitcoin. Both cutting into its market share and coexisting with bitcoin. However, when I wrote the title of this thread, I asked zcash or bitcoin to hold. What's the opinion of exponential potential? Zcash is under $22 million and bitcoin is ever$16 billion, yeah it's not an immediate threat. Zcash has some immediate threat to remain relevant before people begin to dismiss it. The developers need to start working on wallets and pushing for implementation, this passive tactic isn't working.

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I do not see why anyone would be interested in zcash. The developers/investors/etc have taken way too much coin, I heard it's between 10-20% for themselves? No serious investor is going to be interested in zcash with economics like that. Besides that, it has a smaller market cap than the other 2 anonymous-leaning currencies, dash and monero. If zcash does have any privacy benefit, monero or dash can hard fork and end its only advantage.
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
I dont know why people still do think that zcash could able to replace bitcoin,seriously? Even that coin didnt even surpass those huge marketcap coins like eth xmr which is somehow good to choose rather than zcash. It doesnt stand a chance on bitcoin because until now theres no candidate to breakeven on bitcoins progress.


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February 16, 2017, 04:16:36 PM
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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

Thoughts?

Very few people believe in zcash these days. Although it still costs over 0.03 BTC the steady decline of its price from the beginning is obvious. Idk, if it's more anonymous than BTC and people just haven't realized it yet, maybe it has some potential. We'll see.

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February 16, 2017, 05:53:34 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.

You could always read the thread. Or you could just make poor assumptions in bad grammar.

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February 17, 2017, 05:43:56 AM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
I dont know why people still do think that zcash could able to replace bitcoin,seriously? Even that coin didnt even surpass those huge marketcap coins like eth xmr which is somehow good to choose rather than zcash. It doesnt stand a chance on bitcoin because until now theres no candidate to breakeven on bitcoins progress.
Yes I agree with you, but if we saw his wrote he was thinking that zcash can replace bitcoin,
I don't know it is serious or not but i think he said like that and he doesn't give complete reason
why he think like that.
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February 17, 2017, 06:28:00 AM
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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

Thoughts?

Very few people believe in zcash these days. Although it still costs over 0.03 BTC the steady decline of its price from the beginning is obvious. Idk, if it's more anonymous than BTC and people just haven't realized it yet, maybe it has some potential. We'll see.
too far to campare with bitcoin , coinmarket capitalizations stated that it has 1000 times lower than bitcoin , so what you can expect from the small altcoin like that? of course nothing at least for now , they need to be established first.

bitcoin are too big to compare with zcash or any other altcoin even with ethereum.
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February 17, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
I dont know why people still do think that zcash could able to replace bitcoin,seriously? Even that coin didnt even surpass those huge marketcap coins like eth xmr which is somehow good to choose rather than zcash. It doesnt stand a chance on bitcoin because until now theres no candidate to breakeven on bitcoins progress.
Yes I agree with you, but if we saw his wrote he was thinking that zcash can replace bitcoin,
I don't know it is serious or not but i think he said like that and he doesn't give complete reason
why he think like that.

i think its not makes sense if zcash can replace bitcoin because zcash its different than bitcoin itself, zcash is need more thing to be like bitcoin. maybe zcash can stay together with bitcoin like other altcoin but to replace bitcoin, i don't think so. there will be no altcoin that can replace bitcoin because all crypto currency is something and its under bitcoin.

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February 17, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
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Do you think there is room for two currencies to grow in demand, shrink in supply exponentially? Will they cut into each other's market share?

Bitcoin has been proven and can be divided into tiny fractions, given the fact it is working it seems a safe bet for the future. It has failures, though. From an economic standpoint, if zcash replaces it in underground markets, will bitcoins legal uses keep its demand high? Will it continue to grow from speculation?

 Bitcoin isn't private, tumbling it has huge risks and the end user has lots of security demands to remain anonymous. It may not be the best for underground uses whcih may have an economic impact. zcash is bitcoin but with its flaws ironed out.I do suspect it will grow like bitcoin but I'm interested in the dynamics.

Thoughts?

Very few people believe in zcash these days. Although it still costs over 0.03 BTC the steady decline of its price from the beginning is obvious. Idk, if it's more anonymous than BTC and people just haven't realized it yet, maybe it has some potential. We'll see.
too far to campare with bitcoin , coinmarket capitalizations stated that it has 1000 times lower than bitcoin , so what you can expect from the small altcoin like that? of course nothing at least for now , they need to be established first.

bitcoin are too big to compare with zcash or any other altcoin even with ethereum.

market cap doesn't mean anything, even if ZCash had a much bigger market cap or even a bigger one that bitcoin, that wouldn't have meant much.

ZCash is still an altcoin, and it is something that pumpers use to pump and dump to make more money. it doesn't really offer much options to us in order to be able to start to compete with bitcoin in sense of usage and other things.

and in the end, time will all there is to these altcoins, most of them will disappear before the year's end and many others fade away slower.

to the moon with bitcoin...
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February 18, 2017, 11:28:56 AM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.

You could always read the thread. Or you could just make poor assumptions in bad grammar.
Well so what do you mean with your last statement? Except me there is other users who don't understand about your statement
and you comes just blamed me without explaining about the statement, will be good if you give us more complete explaining about your statement.
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February 18, 2017, 12:47:11 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
I dont know why people still do think that zcash could able to replace bitcoin,seriously? Even that coin didnt even surpass those huge marketcap coins like eth xmr which is somehow good to choose rather than zcash. It doesnt stand a chance on bitcoin because until now theres no candidate to breakeven on bitcoins progress.
Yes I agree with you, but if we saw his wrote he was thinking that zcash can replace bitcoin,
I don't know it is serious or not but i think he said like that and he doesn't give complete reason
why he think like that.

i think its not makes sense if zcash can replace bitcoin because zcash its different than bitcoin itself, zcash is need more thing to be like bitcoin. maybe zcash can stay together with bitcoin like other altcoin but to replace bitcoin, i don't think so. there will be no altcoin that can replace bitcoin because all crypto currency is something and its under bitcoin.
Thats why its being called altcoin from the word itself "alternative" and there is really no chance that any alts would surpass bitcoin as of these days. We still dont know if theres one but seeing on the current situation i could really say no one could able to compete bitcoin.


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February 19, 2017, 01:54:37 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
I dont know why people still do think that zcash could able to replace bitcoin,seriously? Even that coin didnt even surpass those huge marketcap coins like eth xmr which is somehow good to choose rather than zcash. It doesnt stand a chance on bitcoin because until now theres no candidate to breakeven on bitcoins progress.
Exactly it just another crypto currency in thos world just I think it got more publicity than other coins in starting so that doesn't mean it is gonna beat tbe best which is bitcoin. It is impossible and we also don't know if the coin is actually real or is it just showing fake mining results or even running a ponzi. I wouldn't recommend anyone to invest in it now the best alternatives to it is xmr or maybe dash.

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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.

You could always read the thread. Or you could just make poor assumptions in bad grammar.
Well so what do you mean with your last statement? Except me there is other users who don't understand about your statement
and you comes just blamed me without explaining about the statement, will be good if you give us more complete explaining about your statement.

 Literally 3 posts before yours: "I do think in 10-15 years any high performing coin today has the potential to rise higher than bitcoin. Both cutting into its market share and coexisting with bitcoin. However, when I wrote the title of this thread, I asked zcash or bitcoin to hold. What's the opinion of exponential potential? Zcash is under $22 million and bitcoin is ever$16 billion, yeah it's not an immediate threat. Zcash has some immediate threat to remain relevant before people begin to dismiss it. The developers need to start working on wallets and pushing for implementation, this passive tactic isn't working."

I'm asking wich will be more profitable. And yes, if altcoins could threaten btc profitability.

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February 19, 2017, 06:11:52 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
Zcash is new and I am not surprised about the low volume on trading platform. In some point, zcash may seem very complicated and less useful than Bitcoin, but it is suitable for the world without the centralized system. Zcash is 100% anonymous and you have to understand that hackers love this features a lot


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February 21, 2017, 10:10:13 AM
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Ok, you are speaking about Zcash vs Monero, can anybody say why we are not taking in consideration Dash then? Also anonymous, also scarce, capitalization is right next to Monero. And zcash is falling behind now. Maybe it is more logical to compare Monero and Dash?
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February 21, 2017, 12:20:35 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
I dont know why people still do think that zcash could able to replace bitcoin,seriously? Even that coin didnt even surpass those huge marketcap coins like eth xmr which is somehow good to choose rather than zcash. It doesnt stand a chance on bitcoin because until now theres no candidate to breakeven on bitcoins progress.
Exactly it just another crypto currency in thos world just I think it got more publicity than other coins in starting so that doesn't mean it is gonna beat tbe best which is bitcoin. It is impossible and we also don't know if the coin is actually real or is it just showing fake mining results or even running a ponzi. I wouldn't recommend anyone to invest in it now the best alternatives to it is xmr or maybe dash.

Zcash is a scam coin because of its superhype that scams people to buy zcash with a very high price. Some said it has reach up to 200 btc per coin in Polo. But after sometime it has gradually decreased in value and those early buyers have lost a huge amount of bitcoins when the price has tremendously went down. I dont know if people will still trust this coin that has deceived many upon its release.

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February 21, 2017, 02:15:22 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
I dont know why people still do think that zcash could able to replace bitcoin,seriously? Even that coin didnt even surpass those huge marketcap coins like eth xmr which is somehow good to choose rather than zcash. It doesnt stand a chance on bitcoin because until now theres no candidate to breakeven on bitcoins progress.
Exactly it just another crypto currency in thos world just I think it got more publicity than other coins in starting so that doesn't mean it is gonna beat tbe best which is bitcoin. It is impossible and we also don't know if the coin is actually real or is it just showing fake mining results or even running a ponzi. I wouldn't recommend anyone to invest in it now the best alternatives to it is xmr or maybe dash.

Zcash is a scam coin because of its superhype that scams people to buy zcash with a very high price. Some said it has reach up to 200 btc per coin in Polo. But after sometime it has gradually decreased in value and those early buyers have lost a huge amount of bitcoins when the price has tremendously went down. I dont know if people will still trust this coin that has deceived many upon its release.


No one was deceived, the release rate was announced before the coin was released. The market decided it was worth a fortune.

 I didn't know Dash was private when I started this thread. I have bought some now as it is a strong performer. I like the masternode system and the algorithmic distribution.


 Bitcoin will probably die after 2042, who will have any reason to hash the transactions and keep the neural network alive when there is no longer a reward for mining?


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February 21, 2017, 02:36:07 PM
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I see some of you are young. In the 90's it appeared Microsoft would be king forever, now they are losing market share every gear. Before that, Xerox, most of you dont know who that is. Bitcoin may yet make you rich, but you'll see how time erodes those that cant adapt.

So you think that zcash will replace bitcoin? Everything can happen but I doubt that something similar could happen. Bitcoin for now is way far zcash because the community of bitcoin is parger.
I think yes, he is thinking that zcash will replace bitcoin
and I am doubt too it will happens because zcash has a little marketcap
be compared with bitcoin and the zcash still has a little comunity too.
Zcash is new and I am not surprised about the low volume on trading platform. In some point, zcash may seem very complicated and less useful than Bitcoin, but it is suitable for the world without the centralized system. Zcash is 100% anonymous and you have to understand that hackers love this features a lot
Zcash will be fully of the dump or i can say about the inflation of the coin. That's zero proof coin and have the different advantages with bitcoin you can't compare the both of bitcoin and zcash. Both are having the different building structure.


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February 21, 2017, 02:59:53 PM
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There is no Altcoins out there you can compare to BTC at the moment unless ypu are a speculator. Zcash price would continue the downward trend for the next two years, I don't see what would move the price high unless a Dark market adopt it.

But even if a Darknet market adopts it how can this stop Zcash from falling? Take Litecoin for example. It was adopted by some Darknet markets more than 2 years ago but still the price of LTC is falling and falling. Of course I mean the price in BTC because the price in USD hasn't changed much since.

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