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Question: Could you live off your Bitcoin stash or your regular Bitcoin yields without working anymore?  (Voting closed: September 06, 2012, 07:59:21 PM)
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August 08, 2012, 05:08:09 AM
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2*FPGAs (CM1s) + 2*6770s produce a weeks worth of groceries per month

I want to expand to 15*FPGAs, or ASIC equivelant when / if they become real, as this will cover my monthly mortgage after pay back period...

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August 08, 2012, 06:17:17 AM
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Could you live off your Bitcoins?

No. Even if I put everything I have in high return (pirate) investments I wouldn't be able to live off my bitcoin income.

Out in the rice fields along the highways the farmers can get free electricity up to a limit but none of them know about mining.

Tell them about it. If they don't want to invest anything you could install your own miners there and pay them.

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August 08, 2012, 06:46:31 AM
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Tell them about it. If they don't want to invest anything you could install your own miners there and pay them.
I thought about that, of course. But it's not very safe to put expensive stuff out there unless you plan to sleep next to it.

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August 08, 2012, 07:06:08 AM
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Hah, I wish I could answer a straight 'Yes' like Tycho Smiley
I was talking specifically about my mining income, it's comparable with average salary in those countries.
Of course I can't rely on just this because difficulty and USD/BTC rate are unpredictable, but as of today - yes, it's enough.

Also this won't work for many other people and they should note that bitcoin is not a money-from-thin-air scheme, but a "currency-like" thing. You don't mine your plastic card, you use it for money transfers.

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August 08, 2012, 08:03:08 AM
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No.

There are really two very different options under "yes" -

1. Living off of bitcoin-related income (three or four top-volume exchanges, SR and SR sellers, few of the payment services maybe). This really means living off of your work that happens to involve Bitcoin one way or another.

2. Living off of your btc savings, assuming you mined them or bought them bravely at a fraction of today's value. If you are not in this category, but hope to be in the future, you've got to ask yourself where this value will come from. Seriously, the only way is to work hard on making Bitcoin useful and accepted. Otherwise your investment will be worthless.

There are additional possibilities:

Some people can live off the yields from their Bitcoin mining operation. Once you have a running mining operation there should only be very little work you need to do and if it's large enough it can generate enough Bitcoins for you to live off.

Another is to live off the yields from Bitcoin investments. Possibilities are various stocks/bonds on GLBSE which yield between 1% and 7% per week. Some of them are stocks in mining operations for example.


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August 08, 2012, 08:07:45 AM
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To live only with your bitcoins you need like... dunno, 100k bitcoins? more? we have so much ppl with so many bitcoins?

Depending on your expenses you can deal with far less. I think the retirement extreme guy (http://earlyretirementextreme.com/) used $250k for early retirement but he spends very little. So you'd still need 23k BTC even in those circumstances.

Actually, you only need about 2000 BTC and then invest them in various stocks/bonds on GLBSE.com with yields around 3% per week on average (you can diversify your portfolio for security).

That would give you about 240 BTC per month or about $2400 per month. Which is good enough to live from for most people.

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August 08, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
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To live only with your bitcoins you need like... dunno, 100k bitcoins? more? we have so much ppl with so many bitcoins?

Depending on your expenses you can deal with far less. I think the retirement extreme guy (http://earlyretirementextreme.com/) used $250k for early retirement but he spends very little. So you'd still need 23k BTC even in those circumstances.

Actually, you only need about 2000 BTC and then invest them in various stocks/bonds on GLBSE.com with yields around 3% per week on average (you can diversify your portfolio for security).

That would give you about 240 BTC per month or about $2400 per month. Which is good enough to live from for most people.

If 2000 BTC give you more than 200 BTC/month that is a greater than 10%/month interest and a sure way to lose all you have Smiley

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August 08, 2012, 08:19:54 AM
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To live only with your bitcoins you need like... dunno, 100k bitcoins? more? we have so much ppl with so many bitcoins?

Depending on your expenses you can deal with far less. I think the retirement extreme guy (http://earlyretirementextreme.com/) used $250k for early retirement but he spends very little. So you'd still need 23k BTC even in those circumstances.

Actually, you only need about 2000 BTC and then invest them in various stocks/bonds on GLBSE.com with yields around 3% per week on average (you can diversify your portfolio for security).

That would give you about 240 BTC per month or about $2400 per month. Which is good enough to live from for most people.

If 2000 BTC give you more than 200 BTC/month that is a greater than 10%/month interest and a sure way to lose all you have Smiley

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I don't see the logic of this argument. You mean if something yields >10% month then it's impossible? There are no Internet millionaires?

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August 08, 2012, 08:20:24 AM
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Actually, you only need about 2000 BTC and then invest them in various stocks/bonds on GLBSE.com with yields around 3% on average (you can diversify portfolio around for security).

That's not a safe way to live off your BTC:
1.One or more stocks/bonds could fail (also: maybe one of them is a scam/ponzi…)
2.If GLBSE gets hacked, you may lose a lot.
3.If the value of BTC suddenly goes down to $2 you only have $480…

Edit: 3% of 2000 BTC is 60 BTC  Roll Eyes

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August 08, 2012, 08:26:29 AM
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Actually, you only need about 2000 BTC and then invest them in various stocks/bonds on GLBSE.com with yields around 3% on average (you can diversify portfolio around for security).

That's not a safe way to live off your BTC:
1.One or more stocks/bonds could fail (also: maybe one of them is a scam/ponzi…)
2.If GLBSE gets hacked, you may lose a lot.
3.If the value of BTC suddenly goes down to $2 you only have $480…

The same thing can happen with conventional investments.
Look at the Madoff and MF Global scandals.
Plenty of people have lost their life savings from stock market crashes.

It's all about managing risk and what you consider safe.
Life is never totally "safe" anyway.

I consider Bitcoin quite safe enough at this stage that it won't drop to $2. I don't think we'll even ever see $6 again.

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August 08, 2012, 02:22:53 PM
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Bitcoin would need to be at about $5,000 to $10,000 for me to live off of my current Bitcoin at my current lifestyle.

I definitely need more bitcoins.

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August 08, 2012, 02:38:36 PM
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Who insures the insurers?  Huh

That would be the Reinsurer (Wikipedia)
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August 08, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
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Who insures the insurers?  Huh

That would be the Reinsurer (Wikipedia)

Before someone asks who insures the reinsurer, you do in higher premiums.

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August 08, 2012, 04:10:47 PM
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Actually, you only need about 2000 BTC and then invest them in various stocks/bonds on GLBSE.com with yields around 3% on average (you can diversify portfolio around for security).

That's not a safe way to live off your BTC:
1.One or more stocks/bonds could fail (also: maybe one of them is a scam/ponzi…)
2.If GLBSE gets hacked, you may lose a lot.
3.If the value of BTC suddenly goes down to $2 you only have $480…

Edit: 3% of 2000 BTC is 60 BTC  Roll Eyes

And 4 times 60 equals 240. Damn I feel like a first grade math teacher Smiley
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August 08, 2012, 04:24:50 PM
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That would be the Reinsurer (Wikipedia)


Who's the Reinsurer for an insurer for pirate?  Huh

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August 08, 2012, 04:34:46 PM
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That would be the Reinsurer (Wikipedia)
Who's the Reinsurer for an insurer for pirate?  Huh

You could setup a Bitcoin reinsurer who could reinsure many of the Bitcoin funded businesses/investment groups.
Then the Bitcoin businesses or their funders would be insuring each other through premiums.

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August 08, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
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you mean similar to the intertwined ponzi economy of today's financial politics?  Cheesy

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August 08, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
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you mean similar to the intertwined ponzi economy of today's financial politics?  Cheesy

Yes, with CDS and everything.  Grin

Problem is, there would be no government or central banks to bail us out!
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February 15, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
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