Third alt coin thread last two were too big. Builds links thoughts etc

[xleejohnx]

I used to achieve 27mh/s eth mining with modded rx470 and windows.
Now with simplemining the GPUs are hard to achieve 25mh/s , even playing with OC feature.
Is that normal with SM ? or should I "dig" the point ?

Linux doesn't have the hash rate of windows

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[generalt]

I just woke up in NJ  so what time is:

 20:00 on Thursday (GMT+8)  

in EST

I think below is correct


20:00 GMT is 8:00pm GMT

which is 4:00PM EST

+ 8  means 11:59 PM EST    well really midnight


https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/gmt-to-est-converter

I think you got the conversion wrong.  Right now EST is GMT -4 so GMT +8 is a 12 hour difference from EST so should be 8 am.

[philipma1957]

I just woke up in NJ  so what time is:

 20:00 on Thursday (GMT+8)  

in EST

I think below is correct


20:00 GMT is 8:00pm GMT

which is 4:00PM EST

+ 8  means 11:59 PM EST    well really midnight


https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/gmt-to-est-converter

I think you got the conversion wrong.  Right now EST is GMT -4 so GMT +8 is a 12 hour difference from EST so should be 8 am.

yeah  I was sleepy and  had no coffee.  I am passing on them.
AS far as I understand this they may have 1500 pre orders in at the moment  with more then a two week lead time.

plus they asked for a lot of upfront money. I am not so sure I want one.

[Truthchanter]

I just woke up in NJ  so what time is:

 20:00 on Thursday (GMT+8)  

in EST

I think below is correct


20:00 GMT is 8:00pm GMT

which is 4:00PM EST

+ 8  means 11:59 PM EST    well really midnight


https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/gmt-to-est-converter

I think you got the conversion wrong.  Right now EST is GMT -4 so GMT +8 is a 12 hour difference from EST so should be 8 am.

yeah  I was sleepy and  had no coffee.  I am passing on them.
AS far as I understand this they may have 1500 pre orders in at the moment  with more then a two week lead time.

plus they asked for a lot of upfront money. I am not so sure I want one.

It's not 4pm est? I put 20 gmt to est in google and it shows 4pm est

[generalt]

It's not 4pm est? I put 20 gmt to est in google and it shows 4pm est

I think it said 20:00 GMT +8 which would be 12:00 GMT unless I'm reading it wrong.

[dagarair]

think its like 448 bucks per miner deposit.  You sound a little sore they did not offer you one first, and rightly so, don't get me wrong bro.  I know you will get one though, you can't resist!   

[philipma1957]

think its like 448 bucks per miner deposit.  You sound a little sore they did not offer you one first, and rightly so, don't get me wrong bro.  I know you will get one though, you can't resist!   

No  I am going to pass for a few reasons.

I decided that 448 deposit  for more then 1000 miners  has caused an added risk on this buy.


simple math 

make btc = 1000 usd

make panda = 2000 usd

deposit = 500 usd

you owe 1500 usd

they sold 1000 units already  took in 1000 x 500 = 500,000


To insure  against  coin risk from now until   you pay second payment  what do you do?

they just say   pay us the last 1500 and whatever coins are they get 1500 and convert to cash.

You need to weigh  do coins go up do they go down?  should I buy 1500 in btc the day I down pay and hold it.

Second  they took in 500  down payments for 1st batch of b3 and have not delivered

they took in 500 down payments for 2 nd  batch of b3 and have not delivered

they are talking about  a third pre order.

No one has seen and shown a working model of b3

Eliovp  say he got a used beat up model b3  no photos  no info.

I am passing on the b3

it is possible they will take in 750,000 in pre order money  and no one ever saw a new working b3  while it worked.


Sooo  based on being here for years  and seeing this play out badly on more then one occasion I am passing.

I have this running

[TheYankeesWin!]

Will you add back to your  empty rigs?

[philipma1957]

Yes I will add 2 of these on order

http://www.diamondmultimediastore.com/radeon-rx400-series


giving me 14 rx 480 8gb  on 7 rigs


and the panda miner.

Don't get me wrong the panda miner b1  was good gear. I will make a small profit on it.

 Well worth  the 2492 I paid for it.  Mostly because alt  coins exploded in price.

 But I have been pointing out  that a showdown  between asics and gpu rigs was going to happen Since April 2016.

I am positioned okay for it.   Should be fun.

[vg54dett]

I used to achieve 27mh/s eth mining with modded rx470 and windows.
Now with simplemining the GPUs are hard to achieve 25mh/s , even playing with OC feature.
Is that normal with SM ? or should I "dig" the point ?

Linux doesn't have the hash rate of windows

Takes a lot of work, but it can get higher - I'm on Linux, my 470 can do 30.

With simplemining, we seems pretty limited. Just few OC features.
But if you have any idea, I will be glad to try !

[citronick]

I used to achieve 27mh/s eth mining with modded rx470 and windows.
Now with simplemining the GPUs are hard to achieve 25mh/s , even playing with OC feature.
Is that normal with SM ? or should I "dig" the point ?

Linux doesn't have the hash rate of windows

Takes a lot of work, but it can get higher - I'm on Linux, my 470 can do 30.

With simplemining, we seems pretty limited. Just few OC features.
But if you have any idea, I will be glad to try !

All my RX480 rigs are with custom mod for low power and runs very stable with Claymore, Optiminer or sgminer-gm for mining ETH, ZEC and XMR respectively.

No more OC required since the custom rom gives the exact -mV I need and the highest optimised MH to run super stable. I can also do slight overclocking without issues.

If your goal is to overclock, then you have to find the best combination of core and memory settings, and also good cooling solutions. Over doing it will of course give a shorter life to your card and overheating issues. I am assuming you dont want to use custom roms.

IMHO, the golden rule of mining is to "undervolt" (to achieve power savings nirvana) and the fact is that the highest overclock value you can get the card to push hard at most of the time is not the solution to stable mining but the beginning of many more problems like overheating, PSU quality, excessive temperature to the rig, mining room etc.

Its better to run rigs consistently stable and submitting shares to the stratum servers resulting high hash, no stales, no rejects.... , VS aggressively overclocked rigs that struggles to execute mining instructions from Claymore or Optiminer. Remember that latest versions of Claymore and Optiminer has gone beyond the ordinary and now directly access memory and compute stacks to achieve vast speed improvements even on old cards - combine this with overclocking -- thats a recipe to disaster and more problems for sure.

[philipma1957]

gone are the days of squeezing out every last bit of hash

look at temps fans and the 0 setting for power stage.
All this just runs baby

[dagarair]

Eliovp did not get a used B3 he got a used B1 like I did.  That was BS and we since then worked it out.  No one has B3's that I know of yet but their farm I suppose.

[yslyung]

well, still a wiser decision for those who knows & especially enjoying building rigs, build your own rig instead of buying a ready made 1 like panda & at the end of the road, can't do much with that rig tbh, for regualr rigs, gpu can be always sold, most parts are under a much longer warranty too.

overall building your own rig is way cheaper too.

pros n cons, i;d still stick with building my own rigs.

[vg54dett]

I used to achieve 27mh/s eth mining with modded rx470 and windows.
Now with simplemining the GPUs are hard to achieve 25mh/s , even playing with OC feature.
Is that normal with SM ? or should I "dig" the point ?

Linux doesn't have the hash rate of windows

Takes a lot of work, but it can get higher - I'm on Linux, my 470 can do 30.

With simplemining, we seems pretty limited. Just few OC features.
But if you have any idea, I will be glad to try !

All my RX480 rigs are with custom mod for low power and runs very stable with Claymore, Optiminer or sgminer-gm for mining ETH, ZEC and XMR respectively.

No more OC required since the custom rom gives the exact -mV I need and the highest optimised MH to run super stable. I can also do slight overclocking without issues.

If your goal is to overclock, then you have to find the best combination of core and memory settings, and also good cooling solutions. Over doing it will of course give a shorter life to your card and overheating issues. I am assuming you dont want to use custom roms.

IMHO, the golden rule of mining is to "undervolt" (to achieve power savings nirvana) and the fact is that the highest overclock value you can get the card to push hard at most of the time is not the solution to stable mining but the beginning of many more problems like overheating, PSU quality, excessive temperature to the rig, mining room etc.

Its better to run rigs consistently stable and submitting shares to the stratum servers resulting high hash, no stales, no rejects.... , VS aggressively overclocked rigs that struggles to execute mining instructions from Claymore or Optiminer. Remember that latest versions of Claymore and Optiminer has gone beyond the ordinary and now directly access memory and compute stacks to achieve vast speed improvements even on old cards - combine this with overclocking -- thats a recipe to disaster and more problems for sure.

I have no heat issue, my PSUs are big enough , and my GPUs modded to decrease volts and optimize hash
I got 27+mh/s for rx470 sable in windows 10. => MSI afterburner with -100mv and 1900 to 1920 mclock. Temp 78°c , room temp 23°c. Rejected/accepted ration in ethman never more than 0.07%. Claymore all the way.
But 23 to 24 mh/s only with simplemining with same memory clock.
Ok SM is simple, but if I loose so much hashrate, I won't expand SM to all rigs.

NB :  I see in ethpool I have an average 3% stale on most rigs,

[citronick]

I used to achieve 27mh/s eth mining with modded rx470 and windows.
Now with simplemining the GPUs are hard to achieve 25mh/s , even playing with OC feature.
Is that normal with SM ? or should I "dig" the point ?

Linux doesn't have the hash rate of windows

Takes a lot of work, but it can get higher - I'm on Linux, my 470 can do 30.

With simplemining, we seems pretty limited. Just few OC features.
But if you have any idea, I will be glad to try !

All my RX480 rigs are with custom mod for low power and runs very stable with Claymore, Optiminer or sgminer-gm for mining ETH, ZEC and XMR respectively.

No more OC required since the custom rom gives the exact -mV I need and the highest optimised MH to run super stable. I can also do slight overclocking without issues.

If your goal is to overclock, then you have to find the best combination of core and memory settings, and also good cooling solutions. Over doing it will of course give a shorter life to your card and overheating issues. I am assuming you dont want to use custom roms.

IMHO, the golden rule of mining is to "undervolt" (to achieve power savings nirvana) and the fact is that the highest overclock value you can get the card to push hard at most of the time is not the solution to stable mining but the beginning of many more problems like overheating, PSU quality, excessive temperature to the rig, mining room etc.

Its better to run rigs consistently stable and submitting shares to the stratum servers resulting high hash, no stales, no rejects.... , VS aggressively overclocked rigs that struggles to execute mining instructions from Claymore or Optiminer. Remember that latest versions of Claymore and Optiminer has gone beyond the ordinary and now directly access memory and compute stacks to achieve vast speed improvements even on old cards - combine this with overclocking -- thats a recipe to disaster and more problems for sure.

I have no heat issue, my PSUs are big enough , and my GPUs modded to decrease volts and optimize hash
I got 27+mh/s for rx470 sable in windows 10. => MSI afterburner with -100mv and 1900 to 1920 mclock. Temp 78°c , room temp 23°c. Rejected/accepted ration in ethman never more than 0.07%. Claymore all the way.
But 23 to 24 mh/s only with simplemining with same memory clock.
Ok SM is simple, but if I loose so much hashrate, I won't expand SM to all rigs.

NB :  I see in ethpool I have an average 3% stale on most rigs,

Your case maybe due to type of coin -- ETH mining Claymore is still king. And its no secret that he prefers Windows than Linux. He said this many times in the ETH thread. But your are right - ETH mining Claymore is still king and fastest on Windows based rigs.

I am on ZEC mining currently because my warehouse power just enough for 33 rigs. Mining ETH with Claymore (on smOS or Windows) will give me power trips and heating issues. So at best, I can split farming half to ETH and half to ZEC for example. Last year when my rigs was around 10-12 ... no issues on full on ETH mining.

However, for ZEC mining, I use Optiminer v1.7 - this miner runs better and stable on Linux compared to latest Claymore ZEC miner. Its no secret that Optiminer prefers Linux -- he mentioned this several times in his thread. My current 33 rigs farm is running ZEC very well. Mining XMR is even better due to lower power requirements and this algo doesnt tax the GPUs so Hard.

[vg54dett]

Thanks Citronik.
As long as Eth mining remains the most profitable, I think I will stay with claymore/windows. Keeping SMos dongles ready to use if I need fast and easy boot or easy swap to other mining software/algos .

Question for you, as I know you are a Ethman user too:
-Do you know if we can have average hashrate and not just instant hashrate ?
-could you tell me what happen when you do "send config .txt" ? where is located this file ? is it the same for all rigs ?

Another question : what do you recommand for monitoring BTC mining ? as Ethman is only for Claymore , do you have something easy and light for BTC ?
I used multiminer peviously until S7 time , but it seems to not recognize S9. (too old software, no updates).
I guess nowadays there are many better softwares !

[vg54dett]

I prefer sgminer-gm for Eth, too.

What are the pro ?

[citronick]

I prefer sgminer-gm for Eth, too.

What are the pro ?

sgminer has failover command settings - this is useful in smOS because if you use Claymore ETH miner, you need to edit the epools.txt in the miner folder.

Hey wolf - are your updating your v0.4 XMR miner anytime soon?

On sgminer-gm for ETH, you are the 2nd guy who mentioned that to me (to solve my powerdraw issues)... can you recommend a low intensity mining sgminer-gm command line for me?

I have RX480s (Sapphire Reference) with Heliox 28MH low power custom rom.

[citronick]

Thanks Citronik.
As long as Eth mining remains the most profitable, I think I will stay with claymore/windows. Keeping SMos dongles ready to use if I need fast and easy boot or easy swap to other mining software/algos .

Question for you, as I know you are a Ethman user too:
-Do you know if we can have average hashrate and not just instant hashrate ?
-could you tell me what happen when you do "send config .txt" ? where is located this file ? is it the same for all rigs ?

Another question : what do you recommand for monitoring BTC mining ? as Ethman is only for Claymore , do you have something easy and light for BTC ?
I used multiminer peviously until S7 time , but it seems to not recognize S9. (too old software, no updates).
I guess nowadays there are many better softwares !

ETH and ZEC neck to neck on profitability but ZEC consumes less power and ZEC miner supports SSL so you have lower Claymore fees.

For ethman, isn't that already available at bottom of dashboard? - total hashrate is same as average hashrate no?
Send config.txt send the file to Claymore folder on that target rig. You need to restart for new settings to take effect.

BTC mining monitoring - yes, i do use that "mmonitor" utility for S5, S7 but after getting the S9 - everything went bonkers. By then, I choosed to host my S9s to Cryptoboreas so they will monitor for me. They have a custom script to talk to cgminer and reboots the inactive miner and the utility sends me an email to confirm that miner was restarted and now status online.

Alternatively, there is a Windows software called "Awesome Miner".... http://www.awesomeminer.com/ -- it monitors and managed AMD GPUs and also Antminers - includes S9s --  its not free though.

Also see Minera, https://getminera.com/