[Repaid]: 8 BTC loan. Between SagivS, Lone Shark, Condoras and FrilledShark + G

[FrilledShark]

This is a thread made to track the loan between:
Borrower:
SagivS

Lenders:
2.5 Condoras
0.8 Lone Shark

4.7 FrilledShark

Read update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1808255.msg18453804#msg18453804

TEMP:
0.8 Gunthar
 Gunthar was repay: 803fa664b0222fbb7678e875e6dd9bda83e4aaf8ca91df7e8533486cc7c60ada


The address where all bitcoins are located is:

Code:

1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa

The address can be found below, signed by me.

Collateral:
SagivS's Bela (Cryptocurrency). Cover at least 125% of the total loan.
It is held by all lenders, according to their shares of this loan.
Held by FrilledShark on Poloniex.com
Update: 2017-02-28 2017-04-05
The collateral is held by FrilledShark. It is considered secured after 2000 250 confirmations. (According to updated Poloniex standarts.)
519634 400 000 519 634.2355 400 000 250 000 Bela. Was sent to the signed address here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1808255.msg18012299#msg18012299

A stop-limit order on Poloniex are placed at 121% of collateral amount.
The respective prices will be publicised after the loan are repaid. All parties knows about it and it was distributed via an automated spreadsheet.


Amount:
The borrower requested a 8 BTC loan.

Update: 2017-02-28
4 BTC was sent to borrower, before the transaction was confirmed. The rest will be sent after the transaction is confirmed by Poloniex.
Update: 2017-03-01
The last 4 BTC was sent to borrower.

*Temp:
As the Borrower wanted to get 8 BTC today (2017-02-28), before afternoon. FrilledShark asked Gunthar for help. He agreed to lend FrilledShark temporary enough to fill this part.
 This was repaid.803fa664b0222fbb7678e875e6dd9bda83e4aaf8ca91df7e8533486cc7c60ada


The final loan details are:

Amount: 8 BTC.
Share belong to:
4.7 FrilledShark
2.5 Condoras
0.8 Lone Shark

Interest: 11% each month.
 Interest: 9.76 BTC by repayment.

Repayment date: May 1.

Repayment address: 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa
 This will not change. If it does, it will require more then 2 lenders to sign a message stating the new repayment address. The signed messages, originating from an address older then 2 months.
 THE COLLATERAL IS OTHERWISE LOST!

The collateral was received and is currently held by FrilledShark. Recived on the address posted here and held on Poloniex.com


Because of the required amount of confirmations on the collateral, it was decided that only half of the total loan was provided early (2017-02-28).
Bela:
a2f45e24b29f402d8f382d6f3fe3e6b125fd4f73364221a97d629c4458397668
3112afb10c07cfc716f7bb2f2ad03558152d36f16a74264dd2efe028a45f778c
fb9bda8e99e3a7c18a7f121db1ec7eaaef360e8b25007ef35327cc9ff5590d6b
Required to reach 2000 250 confirmations before considered secured.

Withdrawal:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

Bitcoin:
d1b69b5cd671277f789ea3fb9b6310173eca3aef7ef328232ee763a3cd91bc98
cd723c3fbefe8664964006d4b7f1fd52f1e0389ff02a138d4ca5337dfdf9170b

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[FrilledShark]

Code:

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Today is 2017-2-27.
The pool address for our loan is:
1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa
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Today is 2017-2-27.
The pool address for our loan is:
1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa
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[DarkStar_]

Could you PM me more info? I might be able to fill another BTC or more.

[Lone Shark]

Could you PM me more info? I might be able to fill another BTC or more.

Hi DarkStar_, this is actually not a loan application or request. We are just here to publicize the loan transcation that would be going down. We are all just finalizing the agreement. Thank you for your interest though.

Cheers,
Lone Shark

[FrilledShark]

Bela address:
BSMgHScyeWQwWfC8bNUhv583RpUsh1sQEE

Code:

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Bela:
BSMgHScyeWQwWfC8bNUhv583RpUsh1sQEE

Today: 2017-02-28
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Code:

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Bela:
BSMgHScyeWQwWfC8bNUhv583RpUsh1sQEE

Today: 2017-02-28
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[Lone Shark]

Code:

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Lone Shark | March 1, 2017 9:27 +8GMT

This message is for the purpose of confirming this loan agreement. I confirm the following:

1. SagivS has contacted me for a loan of 8 BTC for his 12 BTC worth of Bela.
2. We have agreed to the terms.
3. I have a stake of 0.8 BTC in this loan. The rest are split between FrilledShark and Condoras, with the former having majority share. 
4. All BTC have been pooled in the address 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa. Said address is under FrilledShark's control.
5. SagivS sent the 250,000 BELA coins to FrilledShark's Poloniex BELA address which is BSMgHScyeWQwWfC8bNUhv583RpUsh1sQEE.
6. We ran into problems with the required confirmations. BELA requires 2,000 confirmations on Poloniex which will take 2,000 * 2 minutes or 2.77 days. Which is stupid if you ask me.
7. As to appease both sides, we agreed to release half of the BTC loan while we are waiting for the BELA to confirm. The TX for this is d1b69b5cd671277f789ea3fb9b6310173eca3aef7ef328232ee763a3cd91bc98.
8. As of this writing we have 240 confirmations on the BELA transaction.

Please be advised.
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[Quickseller]

Just a heads up guys, the BELA/BTC price has increased ~4x in the past month (with a recent spike to 6x where it was a month ago), and around 12x since Sept 1 of last year. Also, in order to sell 8BTC of BELA, you will have about 2.5% in slippage based on the current orderbook on polo, and around 4.5% worth of slippage to sell 12BTC worth of BELA.

I am also not familiar with BELA, however if poloinex is asking for a certain number of confirmations, there is a good chance there is a good reason for this. I am not sure how centralized the mining (or equivalent) is for this coin.

[Lone Shark]

Just a heads up guys, the BELA/BTC price has increased ~4x in the past month (with a recent spike to 6x where it was a month ago), and around 12x since Sept 1 of last year. Also, in order to sell 8BTC of BELA, you will have about 2.5% in slippage based on the current orderbook on polo, and around 4.5% worth of slippage to sell 12BTC worth of BELA.

I am also not familiar with BELA, however if poloinex is asking for a certain number of confirmations, there is a good chance there is a good reason for this. I am not sure how centralized the mining (or equivalent) is for this coin.

Yes, we calculated for slippage and secured that aspect of the loan. That is why we have a 150% collateral with Stop at 121% and Loss at 115%. The only problem was that we did not expect a 2,000 confirmation requirement from Polo. 2,000 confirmations is 2.77 days which is totally unreasonable for any security reason, I think.

[Quickseller]

From what I can tell, it looks like the "official" website of BELA, http://belacoin.org/ lists 5 pools, one of them seems to no longer be existent, and another is reporting mining 0 miners mining BELA currently. So it looks like that mining might be fairly centralized, and I have personally never heard of the pools, and cannot say how trustworthy/reputable those pools are.

I am not saying that you guys are in the middle of getting scammed, I am just saying that there are some risks of funding (part of) the loan prior to poloinex accepting the deposit. But then again, lending is the managing of risk, and balancing that risk with the potential reward of profiting engaging in certain transactions.

[FrilledShark]

From what I can tell, it looks like the "official" website of BELA, http://belacoin.org/ lists 5 pools, one of them seems to no longer be existent, and another is reporting mining 0 miners mining BELA currently. So it looks like that mining might be fairly centralized, and I have personally never heard of the pools, and cannot say how trustworthy/reputable those pools are.

I am not saying that you guys are in the middle of getting scammed, I am just saying that there are some risks of funding (part of) the loan prior to poloinex accepting the deposit. But then again, lending is the managing of risk, and balancing that risk with the potential reward of profiting engaging in certain transactions.

We are certainly aware of this.
We have looked at the risks and discussed them. We are currently looking at 2 very different risks.

1: Double spend by borrower.
 This risk is certainly very important, as it would result in a full loss of the collateral. We waited for about 90 confirmations, before we partially filled the loan. This was done, as the borrower has stated that they were sent from Poloniex. To back this up, he was able to prove this with screenshots.

2: Collateral losing value
 This risk is the biggest. As we are pretty sure the transaction came from Poloniex. We do not believe the collateral falls more then 50% in value, which is enough to cover the part we already filled. A cryptocurrency falling more then 50% in value is not unheard of, but it is a low risk.

We can't isolate one of the risk, without worrying about the other.

Edit:
I have updated the thread with more information regarding what was discussed yesterday.

[Lone Shark]

Updates:

1. Sagiv added more collateral in light of the price drop of BELA. He added another 150,000 BELA. A total of 400,000 BELAs are now in possession of FrilledShark's poloniex account.

2. We have completed the 8 BTC loan. We sent the remaining 4 BTC via TX ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/cd723c3fbefe8664964006d4b7f1fd52f1e0389ff02a138d4ca5337dfdf9170b

3. Agreement back on track because the 400,000 BELA is worth 12btc which is 150% collateral versus our 8 BTC loan given to borrower.

[goldfish17]

I would be willing to fill up to 3.0 btc of this loan as well. Will PM OP

[Lone Shark]

I would be willing to fill up to 3.0 btc of this loan as well. Will PM OP

Didn't I tell you that this has already been filled?

[FrilledShark]

The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

[FrilledShark]

Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated

Edit: (2017/4/5)
Condoras withdraw his part of the loan and with the corresponding interest.
New status is:
0 Condoras (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=740502)
0.8 Lone Shark (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=909705)

7.2 FrilledShark (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558148)
Transaction was sent from an exchange:
253b7f42a4f1b7b8edbd9cb62dc5ec1d10006841dd90d652511b64ea75b758c5

[FrilledShark]

New repayment strategy:
"On friday 3.5 btc will be transferred to 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa and 25k USD worth of bela will be transferred to B4Z7D2RGfCFPnHZxx2xyJ3fGo7tFUts5Pe
On saturday 3.5 btc will be transferred to 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa and 25k USD worth of bela will be transferred to BEGFLSHmyLDSr181A7gPodpuirCsumbJdH
On sunday the remaining btc of the loan will be transferred to 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa and 25k USD worth of bela will be transferred to BEGFLSHmyLDSr181A7gPodpuirCsumbJdH
On monday the remaining bela will be sent to BEGFLSHmyLDSr181A7gPodpuirCsumbJdH"

[zazarb]

The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated
-snip-

the arithmetic okay?you did not make a mistake?

[Lone Shark]

The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated
-snip-

the arithmetic okay?you did not make a mistake?

Probably a minor mistake. I have informed FrilledShark about it.

[FrilledShark]

The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated
-snip-

the arithmetic okay?you did not make a mistake?

There were transferred 119K Bela back to me to hold as collateral. A lot of changes are made as time goes on. It is not an error, I just forgot to update the post with the transaction I got from him. It is not possible for me alone to post every single update and change of the borrower's mind here.


Yet another update:
The repayment process has begun:
Yesterday Sagivs repaid 3.5 BTC: f1bf43c8ec29fcff28c903cad6ae46faa93041bd737697e2175a08146a09bf21
25k worth of bela was released to the lender: 6ea033c99fbf7d35e02dccff3a3625ea6780ffb83d1d91a373c349bdbd4dab1d

[FrilledShark]

Loan is repaid, collateral returned and all lenders got their Bitcoins back.
As the collateral was returned over multiple withdrawals, transactions IDs will only be posted if necessary.

The rest of the transactions are as visible from the address: 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa
Lone Shark was sent 0.9173 BTC.

I would like to thank everyone participating and posting.