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October 18, 2017, 11:02:54 AM
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Does anyone know the launch date? I’m curious what price will have

No, or at least it has not been revealed yet.  I suggest joining the Slack channel and watching #announcements.

Thanks. I'm curious too...
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October 18, 2017, 12:02:00 PM
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Interesting.... I thought that taxes would only count when cashing out as a "capital gains tax"
I think that if someone gives you a physical gold bar "for free", in some cases you should pay taxes for that, even if you not sell it for money. Same for cryptocurrency "airdrops".

That is insane... that would mean anything that I have ever been given "for free" in life I would have to pay taxes on.....
This is the exact reason why we need cryptocurrencies.....  greedy governments want their cut of something that is not theirs.... THIEVES!!!

Insane, yes.  The government wants you pay taxes on every source of income.

Remember we're supposed to be in control of our government.  If you don't like what they are doing, make sure your "representatives" are aware of your displeasure and that you vote for those people who really decrease taxes, not just those who say they do.

That said, also remember there's no such thing as a "free lunch".  Everything the government doles out is stolen from others.  If you are a large recipient of those handouts, don't complain about the taxes unless you want the "free" stuff to disappear.

For the rest of us "Peters" who are robbed to pay the "Pauls", however, sorry Paul, your days of free lunches are coming to an end.

You say "Everything the government doles out is stolen from others".  I think that is a selfish way to look at it.

I live in the UK, and am quite happy to pay my taxes in order to fund out National Health Service, benefits for those less fortunate than myself (yes, some people do take the p*ss, but the vast majority need this assistance), investment in infrastructure (even if I may disagree on some of the choices the Government make), etc.

At the end of this tax year I will be declaring my cryptocurrency investments and gains (hopefully!).  That's not to say that I will not be taking advantage of my tax allowances where it makes sense, since our allowed gains are low (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-capital-gains-tax/capital-gains-tax-rates-and-annual-tax-free-allowances) and I no longer have income - in the sense of being paid to work - to use my tax allowance from (https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates).  I will still be paying, quite happily, tax on most of what I have made.

Expect Governments to monitor transactions on major coins more and more if they think people are dodging taxes that way.  See https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2017/08/28/bitcoin-loses-anonymity-irs-tracks-bitcoiners-new-blockchain-analysis-tools/ and http://bitcoinist.com/irs-catch-bitcoin-tax-cheats/ for example.  Trying to dodge taxes via this method is going to get harder and make it more likely that you will face investigation, fines and perhaps jail-time for significant amounts.


I also live in UK , and just wondering how you paying taxes on crypto ?
Is the capital gain tax apply only when you xchange crypto to fiat or this is more complicated ?

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October 18, 2017, 12:13:25 PM
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You say "Everything the government doles out is stolen from others".  I think that is a selfish way to look at it.

I live in the UK, and am quite happy to pay my taxes in order to fund out National Health Service, benefits for those less fortunate than myself (yes, some people do take the p*ss, but the vast majority need this assistance), investment in infrastructure (even if I may disagree on some of the choices the Government make), etc.

What you state above is quite fine, even exemplary, if it's voluntary.  Anything else is theft and coercion.

If I were to force you to do what governments force you to do, I'd be locked up with the key thrown away, or worse.

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October 18, 2017, 12:18:23 PM
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I also live in UK , and just wondering how you paying taxes on crypto ?
Is the capital gain tax apply only when you xchange crypto to fiat or this is more complicated ?

I've only been trading crypto for a few months, so not yet had to sort out the paperwork for filing a tax return and I haven't talked to my accountant about how to handle the accounts yet.

I suggest that you read https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revenue-and-customs-brief-9-2014-bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies/revenue-and-customs-brief-9-2014-bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies and talk to an accountant.  At least you don't need to worry about VAT unless you are selling good or services (and have a revenue over the threshold, as detailed at https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/calculate-turnover ).

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October 18, 2017, 12:27:15 PM
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You say "Everything the government doles out is stolen from others".  I think that is a selfish way to look at it.

I live in the UK, and am quite happy to pay my taxes in order to fund out National Health Service, benefits for those less fortunate than myself (yes, some people do take the p*ss, but the vast majority need this assistance), investment in infrastructure (even if I may disagree on some of the choices the Government make), etc.

What you state above is quite fine, even exemplary, if it's voluntary.  Anything else is theft and coercion.

No, it is not theft or coercion.  By remaining a resident/national of that country/state you agree to abide by the laws laid out by Government.
Some well-off people move outside of the UK for tax reasons (e.g. to Switzerland).  That is how you "opt out" of paying tax in the UK.

Would you opt out of using services paid for in your country by taxes?  What about refuse collection?

If I were to force you to do what governments force you to do, I'd be locked up with the key thrown away, or worse.

Suppose that you were my landlord.  What if I decided that I thought that you were charging me too much money, so just paid you less each month.  Why should I care if you can't pay the mortgage for the place or carry out repairs any more?  Do you see the fallacy of that?

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October 18, 2017, 12:33:26 PM
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How would the government even know you have cryptocurrency? They are not that good. They are lucky they run html websites. Grin

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October 18, 2017, 12:33:59 PM
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If I were to force you to do what governments force you to do, I'd be locked up with the key thrown away, or worse.

Suppose that you were my landlord.  What if I decided that I thought that you were charging me too much money, so just paid you less each month.  Why should I care if you can't pay the mortgage for the place or carry out repairs any more?  Do you see the fallacy of that?

The difference is you have contract with your landlord.  I have no contract with my government.  I made no agreements with them.  I didn't sign anything indicating I agreed to their terms and conditions.

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October 18, 2017, 01:03:40 PM
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The difference is you have contract with your landlord.  I have no contract with my government.  I made no agreements with them.  I didn't sign anything indicating I agreed to their terms and conditions.

Guys, would you please be so kind and take the off-topic stuff elsewhere? I am not subscribed to this thread to read page after page of dim-witted misunderstandings of how societies work, this is A THREAD ABOUT HELIUM COIN.

Thanks.
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October 19, 2017, 03:27:45 AM
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Has anyone here heard anything at all from Bittrex? I still haven't gotten a response and i'm wondering if anyone got on regarding the token swap? I know that there's got to be a ton of people who kept their tokens on bittrex waiting for this swap.

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October 19, 2017, 03:33:52 AM
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I am just wondering when will HeliumPay be tradeable because I want to scoop up some more to build an empire of masternodes. Hopefully soon because I am loaded .
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October 19, 2017, 08:20:50 AM
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I am just wondering when will HeliumPay be tradeable because I want to scoop up some more to build an empire of masternodes. Hopefully soon because I am loaded .

Me too man. I'm a bit off 1k, so to get a few more!
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October 19, 2017, 03:09:45 PM
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Has anyone here heard anything at all from Bittrex? I still haven't gotten a response and i'm wondering if anyone got on regarding the token swap? I know that there's got to be a ton of people who kept their tokens on bittrex waiting for this swap.

It was clear before the swap bittrex wasn't signed on to support the swap, and took a was the only exchange participating.

I really doubt, especially given their current troubles, that trex is going to do anything for the spread held there.
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October 19, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
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So we are looking at what time frame early or late November? Can we get a specific launch date? That would be really appropriate.
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October 19, 2017, 03:19:19 PM
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So we are looking at what time frame early or late November? Can we get a specific launch date? That would be really appropriate.

Yes we need specific launch date.... i don't have spreadcoin but launch date for mining
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October 19, 2017, 11:30:13 PM
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Has anyone here heard anything at all from Bittrex? I still haven't gotten a response and i'm wondering if anyone got on regarding the token swap? I know that there's got to be a ton of people who kept their tokens on bittrex waiting for this swap.

It was clear before the swap bittrex wasn't signed on to support the swap, and took a was the only exchange participating.

I really doubt, especially given their current troubles, that trex is going to do anything for the spread held there.

exactly. bittrex wasn't included for the swap
only topia.

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October 19, 2017, 11:42:10 PM
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I am going to check topia if ever they get the trading for HLM live. Some how I get the feeling it will be way cheaper because of dumping. Sure hope to fill my bag on this one.

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October 20, 2017, 01:09:37 AM
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Would love some updates from the dev team on how the genesis and difficulty adjustment is going, wallet work etc.

I would like to get my coins off of Cryptopia asap, I need somewhere to store em!
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October 20, 2017, 05:27:05 AM
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when the wallet will be released exactly? i don't like to store coins on exchange it's not safe, what if they hack cryptopia? we will lose our hlm
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October 20, 2017, 08:48:36 AM
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when the wallet will be released exactly? i don't like to store coins on exchange it's not safe, what if they hack cryptopia? we will lose our hlm

Seems like HLM isn't able to be withdrawn, so even if they could, I don't think they got in, it doesn't seem they could do anything with your HLM.

That being said. Devs, come on! Throw us a bone here!

I don't mind waiting. I'm super excited about this project. But it would be great to know what's going on and what kind of time frame to expect!

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October 20, 2017, 09:24:28 AM
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If you held SPR in wallet during the snapshot then can SPR be sold now and still gain HLM or do we have to hold it in the wallet until HLM tokens are released?
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