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March 03, 2017, 03:50:16 PM
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If you believe the network isn't really congested, then you are either misinformed or you're deluding yourself.

If you believe this is "a temporary spam issue", well I am here to inform you that he opposite is true.
This is a long term systemic problem (which is only getting worse) and here is the chart to prove it.  



(Average blocksize chart.  You can see the the load steadily pushing up against the 1mb limit with increasing pressure over time.)

Those that are spreading the misinformation that the recent network problems are primarily caused by 'spam'
are doing a disservice to the community.

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March 03, 2017, 03:58:38 PM
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If you believe the network isn't really congested, then you are either misinformed or you're deluding yourself.

If you believe this is "a temporary spam issue", well I am here to inform you that he opposite is true.
This is a long term systemic problem (which is only getting worse) and here is the chart to prove it.  



(Average blocksize chart.  You can see the the load steadily pushing up against the 1mb limit with increasing pressure over time.)

I think it is spam because a lot of the wallet address sent to many other purses in small quantities so it makes confirmation so long
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March 03, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
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If you believe the network isn't really congested, then you are either misinformed or you're deluding yourself.

If you believe this is "a temporary spam issue", well I am here to inform you that he opposite is true.
This is a long term systemic problem (which is only getting worse) and here is the chart to prove it.  



(Average blocksize chart.  You can see the the load steadily pushing up against the 1mb limit with increasing pressure over time.)

I think it is spam because a lot of the wallet address sent to many other purses in small quantities so it makes confirmation so long


What you said is also one reason and another reason is the rise of price of bitcoin have created worry in users mind and most of them are selling their altcoins and converting it to bitcoins and sending to exchange to convert it to fiat currency and their is heavy trading in exchanges and local buying and selling , due to this it is creating a large number of transaction and most of them dont know about increase in transaction fees making the low fee transactions delay.
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March 03, 2017, 04:05:14 PM
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I saw a block explorer link yesterday of one address sending 1275 transactions to itself. Just maybe that is not an organic transaction. A crazy thought I know.
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March 03, 2017, 04:22:11 PM
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I saw a block explorer link yesterday of one address sending 1275 transactions to itself. Just maybe that is not an organic transaction. A crazy thought I know.
When making claims like this, it helps to also post the txid of the transaction.
Just so we know you're not just making stuff up.

Also, seeing one such transaction doesn't prove anything, could just be someone who's figuring out how Bitcoin works and trying out new things.

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March 03, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
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I saw a block explorer link yesterday of one address sending 1275 transactions to itself. Just maybe that is not an organic transaction. A crazy thought I know.
When making claims like this, it helps to also post the txid of the transaction.
Just so we know you're not just making stuff up.

Also, seeing one such transaction doesn't prove anything, could just be someone who's figuring out how Bitcoin works and trying out new things.

here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1776143.0
and if you think addresses like 1EPKSuFjTH3xbCK3b5ebaPbe8iUGvKvF8a is trying to figure out how bitcoin works by sending transactions out with high fees every 1-3 seconds then you have to think again!
here is a transaction containing a lot of these addresses which you can follow back to see more:
https://blockchain.info/tx/27b26807821178d6dbc4a08b5ccf9dab4459a967d975b8999b43afe504d44d2e
but many of them are dead end mixers.

p.s. gentlemand may be talking about this: https://blockchain.info/tx/1148de03991e0bf17e2846e7eb9373f7ae280ca07349f637052a6874c5b2eb5c?show_adv=true

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March 03, 2017, 04:43:54 PM
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I saw a block explorer link yesterday of one address sending 1275 transactions to itself. Just maybe that is not an organic transaction. A crazy thought I know.

Very true, it could be a spam account and they are causing all sorts of congestion on the blockchain network.
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March 03, 2017, 04:46:17 PM
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so in this issue is actually no where? maybe it was spam from other groups who took advantage of this problem Smiley
for me this if not immediately addressed, I think the need to push any site that accepts payments bitcoin at least change the system to zero confirmation that help their users also to make a transaction, I get a couple of sites that have implemented zero confirmation, so I hope other sites also want to do the same until this problem can truly be resolved
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March 03, 2017, 04:53:44 PM
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I saw a block explorer link yesterday of one address sending 1275 transactions to itself. Just maybe that is not an organic transaction. A crazy thought I know.
When making claims like this, it helps to also post the txid of the transaction.
Just so we know you're not just making stuff up.

Also, seeing one such transaction doesn't prove anything, could just be someone who's figuring out how Bitcoin works and trying out new things.

here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1776143.0
and if you think addresses like 1EPKSuFjTH3xbCK3b5ebaPbe8iUGvKvF8a is trying to figure out how bitcoin works by sending transactions out with high fees every 1-3 seconds then you have to think again!
here is a transaction containing a lot of these addresses which you can follow back to see more:
https://blockchain.info/tx/27b26807821178d6dbc4a08b5ccf9dab4459a967d975b8999b43afe504d44d2e
but many of them are dead end mixers.

p.s. gentlemand may be talking about this: https://blockchain.info/tx/1148de03991e0bf17e2846e7eb9373f7ae280ca07349f637052a6874c5b2eb5c?show_adv=true
Thanks! I know I sounded a bit distrustful, maybe naive in my post, but that does seem like people are intentionally spamming the network.
I'd really like to know who's behind this and why. They've been keeping up with this spam attack for a pretty long time now.

Is it even in any way possible to get some more information about the people behind this? Except speculation ofc...

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March 03, 2017, 05:04:08 PM
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Is it even in any way possible to get some more information about the people behind this? Except speculation ofc...

Doubtful. As the man above said the origin is mixers.

It's obvious what the agenda is but perhaps they should go about it in a less adolescent way. This puts pointless pressure on the blockchain and just irritates everyone. I really can't see it inspiring anyone to change the position they already have.
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March 03, 2017, 05:05:36 PM
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Thanks! I know I sounded a bit distrustful, maybe naive in my post, but that does seem like people are intentionally spamming the network.
I'd really like to know who's behind this and why. They've been keeping up with this spam attack for a pretty long time now.

Is it even in any way possible to get some more information about the people behind this? Except speculation ofc...

well you know bitcoin is pseudo anonymous and that allows them to hide. although you can always follow the coins (some blockchain analysis like what walletexplorer.com does) and find links to individuals who are doing this.

for example that tx i linked in the end of my post is from Komodo notary nodes. you can see them in the topic, trying to justify their actions.

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March 03, 2017, 05:12:41 PM
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Thanks! I know I sounded a bit distrustful, maybe naive in my post, but that does seem like people are intentionally spamming the network.
I'd really like to know who's behind this and why. They've been keeping up with this spam attack for a pretty long time now.

Is it even in any way possible to get some more information about the people behind this? Except speculation ofc...

well you know bitcoin is pseudo anonymous and that allows them to hide. although you can always follow the coins (some blockchain analysis like what walletexplorer.com does) and find links to individuals who are doing this.

for example that tx i linked in the end of my post is from Komodo notary nodes. you can see them in the topic, trying to justify their actions.
Yeah, I've seen another topic where they're admitting it, but also saying that they're not contributing to network spam.
They've been doing this since October.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1808078.0

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March 03, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
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whether its mixers, spam, or whatever you want to call it -- the long term trend is undeniably clear and we need to scale now not later.
Does anyone still deny this?

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March 03, 2017, 05:31:59 PM
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I really can't see it inspiring anyone to change the position they already have.

Pushing the network in such a way that causes people to strengthen the opinion they already hold? Sounds like divide and conquer to me.

If it weren't for the fact that the forkers are 99% disingenuous internet sockpuppets, I'd be concerned

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