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March 05, 2017, 10:12:27 PM
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I spoke with JR and this is all news to him after I emailed him.  He has personally guaranteed me the funds on the coins will be refunded to me and wants to make things right.  They are investigating how this happened.   JR said Richard will be posting shortly in this thread.  I truly believe they did not purposely scam me or others, but someone somehow got a hold of a handful of private keys from at least a small grouping of coins (18?).  I suggest we give them some time to investigate this since I just found out about it and notified them a few hours ago.  I believe they will make things right.  

Thank you for the update. I suggest they refund us immediately. Personally I could care less about an internal investigation, that's their problem and more time doesn't put the BTC back on our coins.
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March 05, 2017, 10:19:14 PM
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I can confirm that at least 2 of the coins I sold and loaded myself were redeemed within the past week.

Oh fuck. This is not good, as I bought 2 of these coins at different times, 1 was purchased through you. I sold one to another forum member, who has broken the slab upon hearing this news as it was still loaded. It would appear that mine has been raided. I don't hold the coin in my possession - it is kept with my mom. She sent me a (shitty) picture of the COA and I used that for the address, and it shows it as raided.

I will provide the address tomorrow once I can confirm this (it is late, she is an old woman, and I don't want to pester her).

My only payment address: 1ZephertJThxkHih7XcaUHBkMSnvkTt5u
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March 05, 2017, 10:27:51 PM
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Makers need to state the scope of this. How many have been affected.

While I agree that the internal investigation is their issue, and that a refund of lost funds is appropriate, that only addresses the issue for those coins so far raided, and not for the rest of the coins

What specific lapse caused these coins to be vulnerable. Do the rest of the coins, not yet raided, have risk from the same issue
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March 05, 2017, 10:31:34 PM
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What specific lapse caused these coins to be vulnerable. Do the rest of the coins, not yet raided, have risk from the same issue

It would appear so right now.

Cryptodechange has said 2 coins he personally funded and sold have been raided.

Would you mind posting those addresses please, Cryptodechange?

Thanks

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March 05, 2017, 10:33:30 PM
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This is sad to see. It puts all coin makers in a bad light and increases skepticism about physical coins.
I don't want to make any accusations. Its possible that Alitin actually kept a record of the keys and have now swiped the coins. However, it's also just as plausible to say that they didn't follow the correct protocol when assembling the coins and as a result the keys weren't erased from any devices which have since been compromised. Either way, a lot of questions will need answering.
Sorry for all those who lost their funds. I really took a liking to these coins. Shame to see another coin maker go down like this.
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Uhg.  Hate to see where all of this is going but my guess is not going to be good.  So it was just a batch of the 18 coins and not the entire lot?

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March 05, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
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Uhg.  Hate to see where all of this is going but my guess is not going to be good.  So it was just a batch of the 18 coins and not the entire lot?
MMMmmm, I'm thinking more. I'm still perusing... I only see 18 so far.

Here's a list of the 1st 18:

https://blockchain.info/address/1QLQDk2KotPqqBjQQK9atEqmmmjBZySPwc
https://blockchain.info/address/18maxv3kVNNKUE9NZhcYcfHhcRrtSXC8eE --> bonefix
https://blockchain.info/address/17Qn7Y27xpAgtjEefEknwpFcLnpCiK4tSA --> bithalo
https://blockchain.info/address/1BCgfLnJiJFvckMKRwcJa32tarsi7TD3QF
https://blockchain.info/address/1DXjC2oKNsQbtHzWDEgzuMyoeaMtAr1r44
https://blockchain.info/address/1FxH5pJcgX6VrJYb7pweXUjEMSX1naero9  --> bitenvy
https://blockchain.info/address/13Y8zQHtorD1uSRuSvuxFxLMB6Qq8fVKTJ
https://blockchain.info/address/1JxjKfA2EhJo4Hd8yD7NQSTqxGjJ4UNBXH -->  msin
https://blockchain.info/address/13bbV8kaFs8kQTiJFGxVnpFiMXwjk5XPpw
https://blockchain.info/address/1Ctebt6wCrW7EMR2DTu75Tzzc2wEbZU6Sb
https://blockchain.info/address/16cXpHf87Y8mENGKGD4PyaJsVo1pdtm198
https://blockchain.info/address/1EBf3H6oukihFbDwX4xCShQsQF9j5PQD9p
https://blockchain.info/address/18t1hPWGT2iLAnK4Nt4wYTbuqUYAD9R9hC  --> TheNewAnon135246 found from Google search (worldtreasurefinders)
https://blockchain.info/address/1F85aCkDHL4dBTbZkxBGwptjsHSv2WCNfr
https://blockchain.info/address/1K2cio3dVFrk76yvKosDTdzmKWE2DFT1Kw
https://blockchain.info/address/1GLNq4tvHr5Sm6aSnxKe3ybMutb2J3rFt2
https://blockchain.info/address/1B25QYDjCCk7qxGXgd8Kfm3SeATySxRwZs
https://blockchain.info/address/13iAiSxEtDSBfF7XbxraLhnhasRBrTrHZF


EDIT:  
And, another 16:


https://blockchain.info/address/1Emq52ZTBWC4Qh24FP5TMSThnAu6kGdmy
https://blockchain.info/address/172xh9w84E7rDF13dTVCC5XMkC11n8LYQg
https://blockchain.info/address/129kihbjRChoy1AX5RuNdBAFUU36KUWTZr
https://blockchain.info/address/15iLakai3bsiBWXCVRTkDzeiUgL6b2yFth
https://blockchain.info/address/189nyDxDHJk81HL6kGJryNA5fsXW18h3nm
https://blockchain.info/address/15XBjwnG6VQNQW5FCz1w54mttuxPxLkNow
https://blockchain.info/address/12ZgkjLqvuVPLt6JaFUGBGUyt4kyibChVa
https://blockchain.info/address/1GSrNTwCBJL6TxZm481P12SR1LcHSH1f85 --> msin
https://blockchain.info/address/1AwNFaz38irKbpzy7inkCYHJXv9QvDcuym --> cryptodechange
https://blockchain.info/address/1CDLbRKvh53j795zZDrFyduPj9AqZ1ERQC
https://blockchain.info/address/12THLcCXqBbTgFA9vM4qHPbkidda2ULgYS
https://blockchain.info/address/1HBS9BtNtnViVJydbAMHeawCWxshPEXKLh
https://blockchain.info/address/1Mh1Vvr5BtwA1s3GH3Dr7bfbao6sZdCmRJ
https://blockchain.info/address/1HaWwdwN3irpWtxaPvaoL4eGuZhcGqzPMz
https://blockchain.info/address/14D2HdBqvaiDS34SCGJ45A1N9AXDimisBg
https://blockchain.info/address/12WJE6CRWC47gzZQgJpC7CSxqteTaLvhBd

That's a total of 34 so far!  We need full list from Alitin though!

182oEvBzKwXrKsi6AtYPad6sEM6sYuScPT was redeemed by user.  

EDIT2:
And, 6 4 more that are unconfirmed:

Unconfirmed (found transacted on 2/26/17 and original transaction in 2014):

https://blockchain.info/address/1b7wKzbFSm4U5KMVCD88EuhXVvK1ZAzk1
https://blockchain.info/address/1BEKYbfh2FMTbjanWLSAZw3kxrpiLShVVp
https://blockchain.info/address/1LtGmmAkXo3DtqzpAZoMMVu6uZFRuXYpP5 --> User mostly redeemed 8/26/16, but rest was taken on 2/26?  Interesting...
https://blockchain.info/address/1KBy7s2cFaewBjEczTUxNpsPcjXsC5SibD

EDIT3:
And, another batch of 11, again unconfirmed...

https://blockchain.info/address/1LwL1uE4FQS7Moc1AzxHYPBup5ucbq1mNU
https://blockchain.info/address/1A8rRSXmQx9bsV1WhpoQx2ZcKzFZxSjUMm
https://blockchain.info/address/1DKyy7sUs9Sc3khwK69f1vH8yVeR7LK3Kg
https://blockchain.info/address/1H5uvoQuv2P1G9gYtj1Wod24TX29gAsbox
https://blockchain.info/address/12aQG3VLZiY6GFwQ2M4jyAh4oK7kGJoK2f
https://blockchain.info/address/1JAeL1qZmEuXaL8XQWWmKTAjt3ZF38g6Rk
https://blockchain.info/address/1KftRz6WoLHaEZW3ZEJpckKyUCCs74ZBiD
https://blockchain.info/address/1Hu2p4qcDeCho8UggvQPrGeehWwWkbrtAf
https://blockchain.info/address/15LqzxX6Md4iwyGboWB8UedYM3JuqDBmib

2015?
https://blockchain.info/address/18GU8tjGyR7uwrUAMV2cpF14QdFdYfMaai
https://blockchain.info/address/14Qi3PcrPctt7E2VwBw33V4BwnXeDbg1qp

I've counted at least 51 49.  Still waiting for confirmation or any post from either JR or Richard.  

This is getting tiring...

EDIT4:
Another 7...

https://blockchain.info/address/1imZGYfzgca4MaX8NjPJpBQWGFqL3GjwR
https://blockchain.info/address/1oACKoxLFWm5yZfL4aUA4TipAG53eE6QK
https://blockchain.info/address/1F7JiKn15X29bBTxG4SkSDJgtCVx8iwam8
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dqck66Bbuc7WDP73XrGmeUAxPNCWfX12
https://blockchain.info/address/1K2hc5aYQ5ASVqBu5NfHTSiiKFTjhyeXbM
https://blockchain.info/address/1PWfrQhQZ5ph3ZKzA27TArYJZytDB9BTQm
https://blockchain.info/address/1Fh1LB1eBqBtVyBrvZg7xnqmSN84rzWa5G

58! 56!  

That's my total.  I think I missed a few.  But, those are the ones I found.  These are all from Block #454739

EDIT5 (3/6):
10 MORE...

https://blockchain.info/address/1NiFc47UBdSPotKve9wSnQeLGuNQhd5NA1
https://blockchain.info/address/17bFHy41efk5GfNnH9fvHhh4yfpmTBAJMe
https://blockchain.info/address/12vwV7ySuxtss26WKqBFXzNtnMoemgERhK
https://blockchain.info/address/1NsjoNxC5izhti926rXT6Jr4kJxBASQArC
https://blockchain.info/address/18qz8gELaKgtJRU8n3bRqhtAzbH71zxoxY
https://blockchain.info/address/1FFsifLUW1Tkvof6M4y6XyvtfmPjnDYmuy
https://blockchain.info/address/1vx4myJo21XuYbUeVKQhgiQ5axzE6JJAU
https://blockchain.info/address/1NNhvxuppiU3WnQSHRmA74qwGfMCvaNyza
https://blockchain.info/address/1QqqHdFHzZs1HLG2MkQ1c9BSKd4EqM52r
https://blockchain.info/address/1QBVHeRHXNSUQFgyEepjJXqQGviKGsMc3n

66!
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March 05, 2017, 11:01:41 PM
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I spoke with JR and this is all news to him after I emailed him.  He has personally guaranteed me the funds on the coins will be refunded to me and wants to make things right.  They are investigating how this happened.   JR said Richard will be posting shortly in this thread.  I truly believe they did not purposely scam me or others, but someone somehow got a hold of a handful of private keys from at least a small grouping of coins (18?).  I suggest we give them some time to investigate this since I just found out about it and notified them a few hours ago.  I believe they will make things right.  

well thats good then, I think eventually the manufactures of loaded coins will implement a higher slandered of Quality Control (QA/QC) with regard to private key and a guarantee from BTC theft such as Cionbase has now with Loyd's of London

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What specific lapse caused these coins to be vulnerable. Do the rest of the coins, not yet raided, have risk from the same issue

It would appear so right now.

Cryptodechange has said 2 coins he personally funded and sold have been raided.

Would you mind posting those addresses please, Cryptodechange?

Thanks

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1AwNFaz38irKbpzy7inkCYHJXv9QvDcuym
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What specific lapse caused these coins to be vulnerable. Do the rest of the coins, not yet raided, have risk from the same issue

It would appear so right now.

Cryptodechange has said 2 coins he personally funded and sold have been raided.

Would you mind posting those addresses please, Cryptodechange?

Thanks

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1AwNFaz38irKbpzy7inkCYHJXv9QvDcuym

Thank you very much. The 182 address was redeemed today, and is a legit redemption - as it was a coin that I sold to someone, which I purchased from you.

Here is another 16 17 coins that have been raided: https://blockchain.info/tx/4c98843cce3e00dd561f36406fe20afed37d7d2ff33f08e52f4cc716ecdd8e24

Addresses:

1CgoMZvfdxwqb2Wexhsubvb7GfpsUrcd9x
13ked8fohzLmvVtr9hfDfPsxSqykwsMnQu
14s7vGCgSiReHRtbRBVTimKzJfCEaCM18f
1EF4W4UU9JVM6RZXGVwSH1oUvghB15A6Yx
12tFDAccT7JKM8EcAF8HXNMFqUehS6QvVB
18qWMykgMLkm7Cg2zYHUXxFyG5bXJqLXCY
1DAxuiMnMQ7CW5XDqAzudPNjodVVRWWgkW
1PhtpseNdkxJ8TrS7NPGRWZac1K1s5LwED
1Q2jnP8uP9XQNtSkL76K2qaefhw7bxST5Z
16RMD4Zsr5ynPsG1sSqDqdYH6ozHS1fUD1
1FDVYFRnjcVaLrgJotzSme6hhEEd55JQCg
1Mvya8SkJa2KE94zVCdcF1Zr6Lxn9NHDJp
1DRDRjBL4EAjqh49ZgtXqBZTn9Vf3SZiBV
17HeJR5a5VMTXBHidb3ysKYRKSquYZz2Hu
1AqQerqsTqFtoGPQtDJ9SnxUETjV2gNqoV
1FqTs3t2ix9usTbWai1m7c8BErmWBCxvXa
1AwNFaz38irKbpzy7inkCYHJXv9QvDcuym


That brings the current total to 34 35 coins.

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March 05, 2017, 11:41:13 PM
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This, and other legal reasons are ultimately the reason why I decided to make my bars unfunded.   This is sad to see and it's not the first time something like this has happened. 

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Zepher,

Some of those addresses are NOT the coin addresses but where the coins were sent by the thief.  My second 16 list above are the coin addresses.
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March 05, 2017, 11:54:19 PM
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Zepher,

Some of those addresses are NOT the coin addresses but where the coins were sent by the thief.  My second 16 list above are the coin addresses.

https://blockchain.info/tx/4c98843cce3e00dd561f36406fe20afed37d7d2ff33f08e52f4cc716ecdd8e24

With advanced view on, you will find that each address is 2 BTC less the tx fee at the time. Seems correct to me.

Edit: Okay, have seen your list. We'll use yours, you keep it updated for us please Smiley

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March 05, 2017, 11:56:46 PM
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It would appear to me that this was done with a specific batch, if he/she had the private keys for all of the Adam coins, why not just empty them all at once. Especially since it went virtually unnoticed for over a week.
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Zepher,

Some of those addresses are NOT the coin addresses but where the coins were sent by the thief.  My second 16 list above are the coin addresses.

https://blockchain.info/tx/4c98843cce3e00dd561f36406fe20afed37d7d2ff33f08e52f4cc716ecdd8e24

With advanced view on, you will find that each address is 2 BTC less the tx fee at the time. Seems correct to me.
If you click on (for example) the first address:  https://blockchain.info/address/1CgoMZvfdxwqb2Wexhsubvb7GfpsUrcd9x
You go back one more level and you will see what I'm talking about.  The original funding transaction is sent to:  https://blockchain.info/address/1Emq52ZTBWC4Qh24FP5TMSThnAu6kGdmy
This is the address of the coin, funded in 2014, not 1CgoMz which was sent on 2/26/17 by the thief.

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Zepher,

Some of those addresses are NOT the coin addresses but where the coins were sent by the thief.  My second 16 list above are the coin addresses.

https://blockchain.info/tx/4c98843cce3e00dd561f36406fe20afed37d7d2ff33f08e52f4cc716ecdd8e24

With advanced view on, you will find that each address is 2 BTC less the tx fee at the time. Seems correct to me.
If you click on (for example) the first address:  https://blockchain.info/address/1CgoMZvfdxwqb2Wexhsubvb7GfpsUrcd9x
You go back one more level and you will see what I'm talking about.  The original funding transaction is sent to:  https://blockchain.info/address/1Emq52ZTBWC4Qh24FP5TMSThnAu6kGdmy
This is the address of the coin, funded in 2014, not 1CgoMz which was sent on 2/26/17 by the thief.



Okay, you keep it updated for us, thanks Smiley I will be watching as I am affected as well. 34+ coins. This is not looking good for you, Alitin Mint/Mr Forsyth.

My only payment address: 1ZephertJThxkHih7XcaUHBkMSnvkTt5u
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March 06, 2017, 12:27:03 AM
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In regards to key generation, and disposal, there is zero room for error in this market. This is a real shame and it saddens me to see this. I also don't feel that businesses in the physical crypto space should operate if there is more than a single person to cast blame on if any problems should arise. I make an effort to build relationships with my customers to help establish trust, but I also leave my customers with the option of leaving their Kialaras unfunded.

The last thing myself and other honest, responsible makers want is the community questioning our own trust because of the actions and irresponsibility of others.

Sincerely feeling for those affected.

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March 06, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
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My 2BTC funds (#79) were stolen 17Qn7Y27xpAgtjEefEknwpFcLnpCiK4tSA (mentioned on bitenvy's list)
My 1BTC is still intact at the moment 1FF1NtAMX7BTrCxN6fjwNDNuXRmvserH1p

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My Jeanne D'Arc 1BTC is also still funded.  *knocks on wood*  
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March 06, 2017, 02:39:49 AM
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 I hope they find the culprit  that did this and everyone is reimbursed. We all should watch the addresses and see if this person tries to cash them out on an exchange . The bitfinex hacker still cannot cash the coins on any of the exchanges. We all should make sure that he or she will never be able to move those coins.
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