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March 20, 2017, 02:06:08 AM
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The travel ban will not work at all, The best option is to stop the inflow of these immigrants from coming is at the Embassies, Its a waste of time trying to ban them with executives orders.

The travel ban will not work, because the corrupt judges appointed by the Democrats are hell bent on blocking any legislation which will make the United States safer from Islamic terrorist attacks. Unless these biased judges are thrown out, democracy will be a joke in the US.

I think he should replace most of the pro Liberal judges, the one he feel will vote against him, He already sacked some of the judges why should he not just continue.

Replacing the judges is not that easy. If I am not wrong, in the US the judges are appointed for life. Their post will become vacant only if they die, or if they get impeached. And the latter option is extremely difficult.

Amen. Leave these guys be. If Trump can get elected and nit get impeached in the face of lunacy, surely studied legal professionals should get their 'day in court' (see what I did there?) Besides, do you really want the executive branch to be able to dismiss members of the judicial branch at will? Wouldn't that be a gross violation of separation of powers, kinda like what would have actually happened if Obama had tapped Trump's phone (see what I did there as well?l

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March 20, 2017, 04:24:02 AM
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The travel ban will not work at all, The best option is to stop the inflow of these immigrants from coming is at the Embassies, Its a waste of time trying to ban them with executives orders.

The travel ban will not work, because the corrupt judges appointed by the Democrats are hell bent on blocking any legislation which will make the United States safer from Islamic terrorist attacks. Unless these biased judges are thrown out, democracy will be a joke in the US.

I think he should replace most of the pro Liberal judges, the one he feel will vote against him, He already sacked some of the judges why should he not just continue.

Replacing the judges is not that easy. If I am not wrong, in the US the judges are appointed for life. Their post will become vacant only if they die, or if they get impeached. And the latter option is extremely difficult.

Amen. Leave these guys be. If Trump can get elected and nit get impeached in the face of lunacy, surely studied legal professionals should get their 'day in court' (see what I did there?) Besides, do you really want the executive branch to be able to dismiss members of the judicial branch at will? Wouldn't that be a gross violation of separation of powers, kinda like what would have actually happened if Obama had tapped Trump's phone (see what I did there as well?l

Well..... that is the point. There must be a separation of powers. The judiciary must mind their own business and they should not interfere in issues such as immigration. Policies regarding immigration must be left to the government. It is the judiciary, which is overstepping here.

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The travel ban will not work at all, The best option is to stop the inflow of these immigrants from coming is at the Embassies, Its a waste of time trying to ban them with executives orders.

The travel ban will not work, because the corrupt judges appointed by the Democrats are hell bent on blocking any legislation which will make the United States safer from Islamic terrorist attacks. Unless these biased judges are thrown out, democracy will be a joke in the US.

I think he should replace most of the pro Liberal judges, the one he feel will vote against him, He already sacked some of the judges why should he not just continue.

Replacing the judges is not that easy. If I am not wrong, in the US the judges are appointed for life. Their post will become vacant only if they die, or if they get impeached. And the latter option is extremely difficult.

Amen. Leave these guys be. If Trump can get elected and nit get impeached in the face of lunacy, surely studied legal professionals should get their 'day in court' (see what I did there?) Besides, do you really want the executive branch to be able to dismiss members of the judicial branch at will? Wouldn't that be a gross violation of separation of powers, kinda like what would have actually happened if Obama had tapped Trump's phone (see what I did there as well?l

Well..... that is the point. There must be a separation of powers. The judiciary must mind their own business and they should not interfere in issues such as immigration. Policies regarding immigration must be left to the government. It is the judiciary, which is overstepping here.

Nice alternative definition of seperation of power.
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March 20, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.
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March 20, 2017, 04:37:21 PM
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while watching the congress  it seems to me that the rich can get away with murder    but the poor public servants can get 20 years in jail..

FBI CIA   Are payed shills by the AMERICAN RICH ELITE ..
And use our sons and daughters as cannon fodder to line their own pockets..

Oh and blaming Russia for hilary clintons downfall   Cheesy

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SO DID RUSSIA POST THOSE VIDEO'S ?....NO IT WAS YOUR OWN PEOPLE..

And thanks to your own people we know what the ELITE DO TO US SHEEPLE Wink..

That's why no politician is trusted in this day and age.. WE KNOW YOU HAVE THE KEYS TO OUR TAXES..

WHAT WILL YOU DO TO ROB AND LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS WITH OUR TAXES..

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY..

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James comey wont investigate the powers that be but will investigate the poor average joe..

PAYED SHILLS ..Your congress is a disgrace ..Only 4 or 5 worthy of their jobs..

the rest are payed scum bags ..A danger to the people
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March 20, 2017, 04:39:46 PM
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And if you think i am a russian spy Cheesy

PUTIN IS ROBBING RUSSIA PEOPLE LIKE NO TOMORROW  Wink..

THEY ARE ALL AT IT Angry..The BILLION DOLLAR YACHT CLUB..

They are no good at making cakes  only good at robbing the nations wealth Wink..
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March 20, 2017, 07:42:47 PM
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And if you think i am a russian spy Cheesy

PUTIN IS ROBBING RUSSIA PEOPLE LIKE NO TOMORROW  Wink..

THEY ARE ALL AT IT Angry..The BILLION DOLLAR YACHT CLUB..

They are no good at making cakes  only good at robbing the nations wealth Wink..
The fact that you acknowledge that Putin is a thief still not clear you of suspicion. Just kidding of course, but the Russians spread their tentacles around. Now every news need to check under the microscope not to run into a Russian fake.
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And if you think i am a russian spy Cheesy

PUTIN IS ROBBING RUSSIA PEOPLE LIKE NO TOMORROW  Wink..

THEY ARE ALL AT IT Angry..The BILLION DOLLAR YACHT CLUB..

They are no good at making cakes  only good at robbing the nations wealth Wink..
The fact that you acknowledge that Putin is a thief still not clear you of suspicion. Just kidding of course, but the Russians spread their tentacles around. Now every news need to check under the microscope not to run into a Russian fake.
The fact that you acknowledge that Putin is a thief..  No it was Badecker who told me this news..

So To Mr PUTIN it was badecker..YOU KNOW JUST IN CASE Grin..Below

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March 21, 2017, 01:45:01 AM
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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

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March 21, 2017, 01:55:19 AM
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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.
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March 21, 2017, 05:04:19 AM
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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Even if Gorsuch is confirmed, it will be 5-4 in favor of the liberals (from 5-3 now). I would classify Anthony Kennedy as a liberal. To be more specific, Anthony Kennedy is a liberal wearing a conservative mask.

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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Even if Gorsuch is confirmed, it will be 5-4 in favor of the liberals (from 5-3 now). I would classify Anthony Kennedy as a liberal. To be more specific, Anthony Kennedy is a liberal wearing a conservative mask.
My guess is that the issue raised by the 9th court would be settled very quickly by the Supreme Court.  There was no legal basis for what they did.  There are obvious problems with an 8 member court which could possibly rule 4-4.
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March 21, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Notice they have largely left the challenges alone. After Gorush makes it in, suddenly, it will get appealed to the highest court in the land. I'm curious to see what else gets pushed to the court once makes it in (its pretty much inevitable at this point).

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My guess is that the issue raised by the 9th court would be settled very quickly by the Supreme Court.  There was no legal basis for what they did.  There are obvious problems with an 8 member court which could possibly rule 4-4.

If there is no legal basis for what they did, then it should by 8-0 instead of 4-4. Oh... but then I forgot that liberals always modify the constitution and its amendments to their liking. I hope that Ginsburg will die soon. That will help in obtaining a conservative majority in the SCOTUS.

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maybe ban is not a solution on that and not in that way ..Even if Ttrump  is powerful  in all countries.He would just make the law about it not in that way through ban.If that will happen,it would be affecting several people... Not in that way to travel ban,maybe he should make a policy so that it is not unfair to others,....

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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Notice they have largely left the challenges alone. After Gorush makes it in, suddenly, it will get appealed to the highest court in the land. I'm curious to see what else gets pushed to the court once makes it in (its pretty much inevitable at this point).

I'm curious.  You have a fairly opposite political view than I do.  Should any circuit court judge be capable of squashing a POTUS executive order?

Before answering, consider that POTUS can and will flip from one party to the other.
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March 22, 2017, 12:11:08 PM
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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Notice they have largely left the challenges alone. After Gorush makes it in, suddenly, it will get appealed to the highest court in the land. I'm curious to see what else gets pushed to the court once makes it in (its pretty much inevitable at this point).

I'm curious.  You have a fairly opposite political view than I do.  Should any circuit court judge be capable of squashing a POTUS executive order?

Before answering, consider that POTUS can and will flip from one party to the other.

Of course they should. I could give a fuck if they were Green Party, it matters not. The executive order byoasses Congressional oversight, hence it should be subject to additional legislative scrutiny to compensate for this, and ensure no abuse of power. The parties all suck in their current iterations. Sponsorship must be removed from politics before this ameliorates. I want what is moral and right, with an emphasis on harm mitigation for all involved parties.

And, it really is unconstitutional as fuck, and pretty dumb to boot. Please explain to me how a ban of countries that don't terrorize us specifically is going to help our security. If Saudi Arabia had made it on the list, I wouldn't be typing this. Oh, and the passage giving Christians preferential treatment for refugee status. I'm Christian myself, and even I can see the problem with that.

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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Notice they have largely left the challenges alone. After Gorush makes it in, suddenly, it will get appealed to the highest court in the land. I'm curious to see what else gets pushed to the court once makes it in (its pretty much inevitable at this point).

I'm curious.  You have a fairly opposite political view than I do.  Should any circuit court judge be capable of squashing a POTUS executive order?

Before answering, consider that POTUS can and will flip from one party to the other.

Of course they should. I could give a fuck if they were Green Party, it matters not. The executive order byoasses Congressional oversight, hence it should be subject to additional legislative scrutiny to compensate for this, and ensure no abuse of power. The parties all suck in their current iterations. Sponsorship must be removed from politics before this ameliorates. I want what is moral and right, with an emphasis on harm mitigation for all involved parties.

And, it really is unconstitutional as fuck, and pretty dumb to boot. Please explain to me how a ban of countries that don't terrorize us specifically is going to help our security. If Saudi Arabia had made it on the list, I wouldn't be typing this. Oh, and the passage giving Christians preferential treatment for refugee status. I'm Christian myself, and even I can see the problem with that.

Really?  Legislative oversight for a EO?

Regardless, legislative oversight here is substituted by Judicial oversight.  So my question remains.

Think about it.  Any of many judges, each with their own perverse ideas or dogmatic political ideas, whatever, should be able to over ride the President?

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Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Notice they have largely left the challenges alone. After Gorush makes it in, suddenly, it will get appealed to the highest court in the land. I'm curious to see what else gets pushed to the court once makes it in (its pretty much inevitable at this point).

I'm curious.  You have a fairly opposite political view than I do.  Should any circuit court judge be capable of squashing a POTUS executive order?

Before answering, consider that POTUS can and will flip from one party to the other.

Of course they should. I could give a fuck if they were Green Party, it matters not. The executive order byoasses Congressional oversight, hence it should be subject to additional legislative scrutiny to compensate for this, and ensure no abuse of power. The parties all suck in their current iterations. Sponsorship must be removed from politics before this ameliorates. I want what is moral and right, with an emphasis on harm mitigation for all involved parties.

And, it really is unconstitutional as fuck, and pretty dumb to boot. Please explain to me how a ban of countries that don't terrorize us specifically is going to help our security. If Saudi Arabia had made it on the list, I wouldn't be typing this. Oh, and the passage giving Christians preferential treatment for refugee status. I'm Christian myself, and even I can see the problem with that.

Really?  Legislative oversight for a EO?

Regardless, legislative oversight here is substituted by Judicial oversight.  So my question remains.

Think about it.  Any of many judges, each with their own perverse ideas or dogmatic political ideas, whatever, should be able to over ride the President?


use empathy and ask yourself the same question. If Obama had used an  executive order to legalize abortion, would you want that to be irreversible? So to answer your question again, yes, a circuit court should be able to squash a POTUS executive order.
No piece of legislation should be permanent. People are imperfect and times change.

And, you know, Trumps shit was unconstitutional, there is that.

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