Bitcoin was a great experiment. We learnt a lot from it.

[DGulari]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Get rid of that poison team Adam Back and 1 Meg Greg.  Team Core is Team Bullshit.  

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[Holliday]

So tiresome...

[Rupucers]

And what is the point of this thread? What you trying to tell. That Core devs are bad? Half of posts here are saying that lol

[pedrog]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Get rid of that poison team Adam Back and 1 Meg Greg.  Team Core is Team Bullshit.  

There are a lot of altcoins out there, a lot, really.

Bitcoin is free open source software and you are free use it the way you want, you can make a new coin with a team of your choice and manage it the way you want, that's what free open source software is all about.

Good luck with your endeavor.

[Holliday]

That Core devs are bad? Half of posts here are saying that lol

Yeah, Core is horrible and no one would ever run their software... says an extremely vocal (and immensely annoying) minority with an obvious agenda.

[talkbitcoin]

then what are you doing here?!!!

also everything about bitcoin is open source you can use that as your starting point and create whatever you like. whether it is an altcoin with other names and other differences or it is bitcoin from scratch as you suggest!
here is the link: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin

let us see how you handle things. don't forget to update us...

[dinofelis]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Up to a point, I agree with you.  There's a section on this bulletin board called "Altcoin discussion".  Pay a visit.

[blackhawkeye1912]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Get rid of that poison team Adam Back and 1 Meg Greg.  Team Core is Team Bullshit.  

I don't know what you're trying to intend here in your statement. But there's only one thing I know that Bitcoin was created as an open source to any one here in this industry where everybody is welcome to use it, Including yourself.

[franky1]

OP can make an altcoin.

also OP if you have any other " We need some real organization at the top." then its still going to be just as bad as blockstream dominance..
any dominance is bad.

also the majority of the community hate blockstream. and if the independent non ass kissing core devs got rid of blockstream out of core. then core (as a separate entity to blockstream) wont get the backlash its getting and earn back some respect

[Xester]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Get rid of that poison team Adam Back and 1 Meg Greg.  Team Core is Team Bullshit.  

We no longer need this kind of opinion what we need now is a solution to the problem. An urgent solution to stop users to panic and make mining efficient again. What we need is a consensus and any kind of system does not matter as long as it will give an answer and stop the current problems. Let us stop debating and be united for the sake of bitcoin and for the sake of our investments.

[Babayega31]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Get rid of that poison team Adam Back and 1 Meg Greg.  Team Core is Team Bullshit.  

We no longer need this kind of opinion what we need now is a solution to the problem. An urgent solution to stop users to panic and make mining efficient again. What we need is a consensus and any kind of system does not matter as long as it will give an answer and stop the current problems. Let us stop debating and be united for the sake of bitcoin and for the sake of our investments.

That's the right decision to do for all of us and we must unite for the goodness of bitcoin future. No more experiment will be done so that it will elimimate most of the decision mistakes and could save your investments and protect it from possible failures. We must be vigilant enough on most of the accusations and don't easily believe regarding those hopeless rumors from un legitimate people saying negative words for bitcoin.

[DGulari]

OP can make an altcoin.

also OP if you have any other " We need some real organization at the top." then its still going to be just as bad as blockstream dominance..
any dominance is bad.

also the majority of the community hate blockstream. and if the independent non ass kissing core devs got rid of blockstream out of core. then core (as a separate entity to blockstream) wont get the backlash its getting and earn back some respect

An altcoin as you and others suggest has $0 value on day one.  Bitcoin has $20 Billion value.  If my altcoin can be the bitcoin blockchain, history and value, with new improved rules, then OK - I'll start my altcoin.  But, only Core gets to put their altcoin, with new features (SegWit) and rules (Lightning) onto the established $20 billion history and record.  People who are not Blockstream can just go fuck off and start an altcoin.

See, that is why Core/Blockstream people love to say - "OK - so go start your altcoin".  They know that they are building their new rules on a very well established 8 year history and $20 Billion value.  A fresh new alt - no matter how good, would have a hard time catching up to that.

Don't believe me?  Then why doesn't that asshole Holliday just tell Adam Back to go start SegWit/Lightning on his own blockchain?  Why doesn't Core/Blockstream just go fuck right off and start their new alt Lightning on a fresh position?  Thought so.  

Blockstream acts like they own the blockchain and their clever ideas and new rules get to be attached to that history.  Whereas all others can 'go start their own alt'.  This is total bullshit.  

'some real organiszation at the top' means protocol and rules not people.  But, it provides for an improved means of settling an impasse.  Like super majority of voters wins, rather than 95% consensus which we all know could never be achieved thus impasses never get settled and we stall out for over two years.  

[szpalata]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Get rid of that poison team Adam Back and 1 Meg Greg.  Team Core is Team Bullshit.  

I guess you're just here to badmouth Bitcoin but I have an advice, you can just start your own Altcoin which would address all these problems you think Bitcoin is having. I'd prefer to shine rather than curse darkness!

[RawDog]

The experiment taught us many valuable things.  Now it is time to back the fuck up and start over with some more workable parameters.  

Let's start with a new genesis block.  A more sane approach to mining.  Much faster block time.  Much higher capacity blcoks.  And no god-damned Blockstream dickheads trying to take-over and own the whole thing.  We need some real organization at the top.  Otherwise, Trump is going to create the Department of Homeland Cryptocurrency and electronic money will be forever controlled by the same politicians just like the last currency.  

No more fucking around with theory, it is time to put this thing right.  

Get rid of that poison team Adam Back and 1 Meg Greg.  Team Core is Team Bullshit.  

I guess you're just here to badmouth Bitcoin but I have an advice, you can just start your own Altcoin which would address all these problems you think Bitcoin is having. I'd prefer to shine rather than curse darkness!

Obviously, while you are busy 'shining' you are not reading.  Dumbfuck.  Check the part where he said starting an alt on top of the established chain is different than starting an alt fresh. 

[Idrisu]

Op with bitcoin I am fine! We would never have a perfect human system that will not be limit by greed and selfishness. Bitcoin as a pioneer crypto currencies has tried to resolve money market issues and problems to a large extent and I pray it should be accepted as money worldwide one day.

[bitbunnny]

I don't understand, why so many threads lately related to Bitcoin beeing dead, doomed, lost, failed experiment etc. What is happening, why such disappointment?
Nothing is perfect and there are some problems and issues with Bitcoin like with everything else, but let's be honest and admit that Bitcoin is great achievement that made a great impact and that will not disappear just like that.

[Emoclaw]

https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/
Someone should make a website similar to this, for Bitcointalk threads.

[cramcram21]

Yeah you are right we learnt a lot in bitcoin,
I also learn to never believe in some on who are predicting things,
If you are just going to promote some other alt-coin just do it you don't have to be so rude to other person or other team.

[mindrust]

We should support bitcoin's side chains (like segwit) to make it great again. We don't have other choice.

Other coins came after bitcoin are all pump&dump/premined scamcoins.

If not, their devs are not as capable as bitcoin devs. (since they are original devs of the blockchain idea)

If those new side chains don't get accepted by the miner communities, then only then, say bye bye to bitcoin.

[franky1]

OP can make an altcoin.

also OP if you have any other " We need some real organization at the top." then its still going to be just as bad as blockstream dominance..
any dominance is bad.

also the majority of the community hate blockstream. and if the independent non ass kissing core devs got rid of blockstream out of core. then core (as a separate entity to blockstream) wont get the backlash its getting and earn back some respect

An altcoin as you and others suggest has $0 value on day one.  Bitcoin has $20 Billion value.  If my altcoin can be the bitcoin blockchain, history and value, with new improved rules, then OK - I'll start my altcoin.  But, only Core gets to put their altcoin, with new features (SegWit) and rules (Lightning) onto the established $20 billion history and record.  People who are not Blockstream can just go fuck off and start an altcoin.

See, that is why Core/Blockstream people love to say - "OK - so go start your altcoin".  They know that they are building their new rules on a very well established 8 year history and $20 Billion value.  A fresh new alt - no matter how good, would have a hard time catching up to that.

i agree about the blockstream stuff.

the only thing is though.. in your OP you mentioned starting a new genesis block. which is by definition STARTING A NEW altcoin, rather than bilaterally splitting bitcoin to cause an doublespend-altcoin.

new genesis block = start from 0

Don't believe me?  Then why doesn't that asshole Holliday just tell Adam Back to go start SegWit/Lightning on his own blockchain?  Why doesn't Core/Blockstream just go fuck right off and start their new alt Lightning on a fresh position?  Thought so.  

Blockstream acts like they own the blockchain and their clever ideas and new rules get to be attached to that history.  Whereas all others can 'go start their own alt'.  This is total bullshit.  

agree again. EG Gmaxwell moderating the technical section of this forum and the theymos moderating this entire forum and reddit.
gmaxwell and luke Jr moderating the dev mail list and gmaxwell(until recently, but now luke JR) moderating the BIPS
basically acting as gatekeepers to brush away idea's that contradict blockstreams plans.

'some real organiszation at the top' means protocol and rules not people.  But, it provides for an improved means of settling an impasse.  Like super majority of voters wins, rather than 95% consensus which we all know could never be achieved thus impasses never get settled and we stall out for over two years.  

the 95% is more about reducing the chances of NATURAL orphan drama at an activation event. which can actually be futile a percentage to achieve unless the feature advertised actually did what it says..  and also that percentage may not be needed to be so high, to accomplish just a small natural orphan risk if it also had a high NODE acceptability to help reduce natural orphan risk.

the main thing is what occurs at activation.
blockstream for instance want to then bilaterally split the network by breaking its own 'backward compatibility' promise by INTENTIONALLY (not naturally) rejecting native blocks, which are actually valid to the network but just not created by blockstreams codebase. which is where this action can cause bigger orphan risks and where things get nasty. rather than it would if there was a real proper consensus implemented and just letting natural orphans do their job. (natural orphans happen for a very good reason)

the funny part.
even the segwit advocates dont realise the REALITY of what will occur at the activation date.
they think (wrongly) that the quadratic/malleability problems are 100% fixed.
they dont realise that its not about the activation. its about later things. such as needing EVERYONE to move all of them MILLIONS of unspents (everyone moves thier funds) from native keys to segwit keys(which this action alone would cause major mempool filling spam attacks). to then as long as EVERYONE never uses native keys again ever. will then disarm everyone from quadratic/malleability and only then get the fixes reach their promise,
which is something that will never happen.
malicious spammers will continue using native keys and the disruptions and issues will continue.