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April 06, 2017, 08:42:42 PM
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i don't think that pump and dump is always manipulation, buyers and sellers don't know each other and they can buy for whatever they believe and the sellers also sell for their own reason, can happen that the value go high and low because of randomness caused by their decisions
Buyers and sellers does not need to know each other,but manipulation occurs when there is a massive sell order and people who is holding the coins would panic seeing those high sell orders and thinking that the price would crash, people starts selling everything they hold and that is how manipulation works most of the time and a small news would aid in the price movement.

but how is the guy who is dumping with a big sell order, going to knwo that his dump will cause a panic seller, and so inducing a market manipulation? this is just an assumption imho, the big guy that sell a huge amount of coins, need to force the other to sell to buy cheap coins, and it's not that easy as many believe, most of the time the rise and fall you see are just normal trading on the market

If it is timed with the bad press, and some other major FUD like the announcement of the exchanges about BU and fork.  It is not that hard to think of it.  This has been proven several times and even used multiple times by whales to drive the price of Bitcoin lower.  But then when it is a manipulated dump it will gradually recover because manipulator need to move the price up after the accumulation to take another batch of profit.
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April 08, 2017, 04:37:32 PM
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People tend to rationalize everything. Another trait that people have, especialy when lacking in knowledge, is trying to make things either too simple or too complex. Actualy the reality is neither fully rational nor very simple nor too complex to explain relativly easily.

The people that have heard the term pump and dump, try to explain every market behaviour by it. Thats understandable. People in general tend to avoid getting into risky sittuation. Calling everything that happens in a market a very risky sittuation give them mental security.

Its not true that bitcoin is a penny stock that is suspectible to pump and dump mechanism. The price of penny stocks are mostly relativly stable outside of times of huge spikes in price, following by huge drops. Bitcoin price is constantly volatile, with overall rise in value over time, so it does not have the characteristics of a penny stocks. Those characteristics have many other pump and dump altcoins.

Another reason why bitcoin is not a subject of pump and dump is that after a huge unreasonable and irrational spike in price, following correction stops at the prices a lot higher than before the spike. That means that the correction in price is just that a market correction and not a dump that was preceded by a pump.
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April 09, 2017, 08:07:32 PM
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What it does it shows us, you ask?

Well, very simple: This shows how easy the price of bitcoin can be pumped if there is FOMO. So imagine that big pockets move small amounts of their portfolios into bitcoin. Even without a ETF, we would be in $10,000+ in DAYS with continued FOMO.

People forget the marketcap for bitcoin is tiny, and rises can look like massive green candles easily.
It also show us there are a lot of bots around doing the trading instead of humans since there is not a way for the price to move that quickly in such a short amount of time.
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April 19, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
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What it does it shows us, you ask?

Well, very simple: This shows how easy the price of bitcoin can be pumped if there is FOMO. So imagine that big pockets move small amounts of their portfolios into bitcoin. Even without a ETF, we would be in $10,000+ in DAYS with continued FOMO.

People forget the marketcap for bitcoin is tiny, and rises can look like massive green candles easily.
It also show us there are a lot of bots around doing the trading instead of humans since there is not a way for the price to move that quickly in such a short amount of time.
Maybe that is true but the least that we can do bout it is be happy. This past weeks had been weeks of temptation and stress because the price is low. Many people had been  waiting for this, for the price to  move up and even if I expected it to get low again because many people will sell due to financial needs, I am still happy that it is showing increase. No one knows if it will continue to get high or to what price will the increase stop, what matters here is that it is increasing.

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April 19, 2018, 10:00:35 PM
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What it does it shows us, you ask?

Well, very simple: This shows how easy the price of bitcoin can be pumped if there is FOMO. So imagine that big pockets move small amounts of their portfolios into bitcoin. Even without a ETF, we would be in $10,000+ in DAYS with continued FOMO.

People forget the marketcap for bitcoin is tiny, and rises can look like massive green candles easily.
This is a sign that recovery from dip is not difficult because we are not going to see more push before we see  a good progress. The market is completely drive by emotions and you should hold in other to makes good profit in future.
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April 19, 2018, 10:09:44 PM
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The price of penny stocks are mostly relativly stable outside of times of huge spikes in price, following by huge drops.
I would disagree with this to an extent--look at where we're stalled at.  We're relatively stable at $7800-$8200, and in 2015(?) we were stable at $420 for months, and yes we've been volatile in between.  I'm not saying penny stocks are similar to bitcoin in any other aspect, but the price volatility and even the characteristic of temporary stability in between spikes are traits they both share to some extent.

I hate penny stocks, by the way.  Someone very close to me got burned on one that has an actual company behind it that he believed in.  Lost a small fortune.

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April 20, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
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What it does it shows us, you ask?

Well, very simple: This shows how easy the price of bitcoin can be pumped if there is FOMO. So imagine that big pockets move small amounts of their portfolios into bitcoin. Even without a ETF, we would be in $10,000+ in DAYS with continued FOMO.

People forget the marketcap for bitcoin is tiny, and rises can look like massive green candles easily.
This is a sign that recovery from dip is not difficult because we are not going to see more push before we see  a good progress. The market is completely drive by emotions and you should hold in other to makes good profit in future.

Fomo is a big push for bull runs like this and yeah i get your point on how a whale can start manipulating the price with a snap. Especially now that we're coming from a draining red first quarter of the year. People will have their hopes high in an instant with a little "pump".

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April 20, 2018, 02:20:05 PM
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What it does it shows us, you ask?

Well, very simple: This shows how easy the price of bitcoin can be pumped if there is FOMO. So imagine that big pockets move small amounts of their portfolios into bitcoin. Even without a ETF, we would be in $10,000+ in DAYS with continued FOMO.

People forget the marketcap for bitcoin is tiny, and rises can look like massive green candles easily.
This is a sign that recovery from dip is not difficult because we are not going to see more push before we see  a good progress. The market is completely drive by emotions and you should hold in other to makes good profit in future.

Fomo is a big push for bull runs like this and yeah i get your point on how a whale can start manipulating the price with a snap. Especially now that we're coming from a draining red first quarter of the year. People will have their hopes high in an instant with a little "pump".
Sudden spike of bitcoin price in seconds that indicates how fast bitcoin and easily recoil when it down it may be because the technology is faster and the reactions of the investors are faster, and because the market cap is thinner massive buying can easily affect it price.

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April 20, 2018, 02:28:08 PM
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What it does it shows us, you ask?

Well, very simple: This shows how easy the price of bitcoin can be pumped if there is FOMO. So imagine that big pockets move small amounts of their portfolios into bitcoin. Even without a ETF, we would be in $10,000+ in DAYS with continued FOMO.

People forget the marketcap for bitcoin is tiny, and rises can look like massive green candles easily.
This is a sign that recovery from dip is not difficult because we are not going to see more push before we see  a good progress. The market is completely drive by emotions and you should hold in other to makes good profit in future.

Fomo is a big push for bull runs like this and yeah i get your point on how a whale can start manipulating the price with a snap. Especially now that we're coming from a draining red first quarter of the year. People will have their hopes high in an instant with a little "pump".
Sudden spike of bitcoin price in seconds that indicates how fast bitcoin and easily recoil when it down it may be because the technology is faster and the reactions of the investors are faster, and because the market cap is thinner massive buying can easily affect it price.
I think you're wrong. This sharp rise in prices suggests that the whales have agreed to stimulate the bull market. They have invested their entire investment asset and now want to make a profit. To do this, they simultaneously left the market. This creates a deficit of coins and the price increases. Also easily they can lower the price.
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April 20, 2018, 02:41:45 PM
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The price of penny stocks are mostly relativly stable outside of times of huge spikes in price, following by huge drops.
I would disagree with this to an extent--look at where we're stalled at.  We're relatively stable at $7800-$8200, and in 2015(?) we were stable at $420 for months, and yes we've been volatile in between.  I'm not saying penny stocks are similar to bitcoin in any other aspect, but the price volatility and even the characteristic of temporary stability in between spikes are traits they both share to some extent.

I hate penny stocks, by the way.  Someone very close to me got burned on one that has an actual company behind it that he believed in.  Lost a small fortune.

Happy to see I'm not the only who thinks that lo and behold, me might actually be in for a repeat of 2015 after all. Not a crash. Not a bull. Just months of consolidating, I mean for bitcoin to stay in this range of about $500 for days and days. That's pretty much unheard of when we're more used to extremes in volatility.

I hate penny stocks too, sort of like I hate the satoshi alts and tokens. They take you for a ride and leave you in the dust, then die on you when you need them most.

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April 20, 2018, 03:23:52 PM
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The price of penny stocks are mostly relativly stable outside of times of huge spikes in price, following by huge drops.
I would disagree with this to an extent--look at where we're stalled at.  We're relatively stable at $7800-$8200, and in 2015(?) we were stable at $420 for months, and yes we've been volatile in between.  I'm not saying penny stocks are similar to bitcoin in any other aspect, but the price volatility and even the characteristic of temporary stability in between spikes are traits they both share to some extent.

I hate penny stocks, by the way.  Someone very close to me got burned on one that has an actual company behind it that he believed in.  Lost a small fortune.

Happy to see I'm not the only who thinks that lo and behold, me might actually be in for a repeat of 2015 after all. Not a crash. Not a bull. Just months of consolidating, I mean for bitcoin to stay in this range of about $500 for days and days. That's pretty much unheard of when we're more used to extremes in volatility.

I hate penny stocks too, sort of like I hate the satoshi alts and tokens. They take you for a ride and leave you in the dust, then die on you when you need them most.


And now BTC is at $8500. So its for the time being at last out of that ~7800-8200 range. Besides there is nothing strange about Bitcoin holding within a range for a week. It isn't always moving like crazy in one direction or another. Furthermore, if you look at the whole market, everything is green. This is clearly a longer move off the bottom of the market. Whether it will be sustained or it'll take several months to really get something going I don't know. But no this is not going to be a 2015 in which it takes a whole year to make the turnaround in market sentiment.

Last crash-boom cycle it was pretty much 2014 falling, 2015 consolidating, 2016 moving back up close to old high, 2017 boom.
While as this crash it seems to be 4 months falling, might consolidate for the rest of the Spring, slowly moving up, and then in Summer and maybe part of the Fall make the real push back close to previous high, late 2018 into next year boom.
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