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April 22, 2013, 01:01:20 AM
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There's been a few threads about "what will you do with your bitcoin wealth."

And I've been umming and ahhing, etc, etc, havn't got 'loads' myself (having come late to btc in 2012, and then just for silk road, before I realised what Bitcoin was).

But if Bitcoin does rise in value to a suitable amount by 2014 - I propose a new Political Party (which I'd setup myself if btc increases to a suitable amount that I'd be able to afford to). If it rose to a suitable amount by the end of this year, then I'd start it then.

So, here's me wondering if anyone else from the UK would be interested in standing for office? (as an MP) in the general elections in 2015. And honestly, being a politician is pretty easy tbh, though you get a fair bit of hassle from time to time and I expect the party that we'd create would get some media drama also Cheesy fun fun!

It needs an executive group, ideals, etc, etc, I'd start writing up a mandate if there was interest and btc looked like it was about to enter the singularity (or if it was already in the singularity). Might start writing one up anyway...

Anyway, not to get into it too much straight away, the general gist of the party mandate would be freedom and escape from banking control. Three main criteria, free energy (supporting free energy), natural medicine (ending the farce of a 'drug war', yes this means ALL drugs (but not a free for all), not just Cannabis) and a free economy (I wonder how 'introduction of Bitcoin into mainstream economic practice' would be received).

It is most definitely NOT a 1 man job, and obviously it would need finance backing (this is why I say only possible if btc rises to a suitable amount in value).

Unfortunately I'll only do this if I can afford to, the elite to have it nicely wrapped up that politics in the UK is generally only opened to those with money, and if you want to get anywhere, then definitely only those with money.

And you don't have to stand to be an MP if you still want to help, you can easily just be a party member, or (if/when it happens) just donate.

If there's honest interest then post a reply or feel free to PM me.

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April 22, 2013, 03:05:57 PM
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Libertarians are usually open to such ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_%28UK%29

And honestly, being a politician is pretty easy tbh, though you get a fair bit of hassle from time to time and I expect the party that we'd create would get some media drama also Cheesy fun fun!

Radical, non-mainstream politics is definitely not "pretty easy". I was involved in some political work in my country (Poland), firstly in Congress of the New Right, today in the new, polish Libertarian Party (Partia Libertariańska). 0.5-1.5 % in every election...

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Anyway, not to get into it too much straight away, the general gist of the party mandate would be freedom and escape from banking control. Three main criteria, free energy (supporting free energy), natural medicine (ending the farce of a 'drug war', yes this means ALL drugs (but not a free for all), not just Cannabis) and a free economy (I wonder how 'introduction of Bitcoin into mainstream economic practice' would be received).


What a great idea! The Smackheads And Free-Energy Party

Hang on, I can bang out a manifesto pretty quick:

1) Free drugs for all - the bovine masses can be trusted to be sensible and consume in moderation. I know, I've been to Newcastle on a Saturday night.
2) Free Energy! - whatever than means? Post people parcels of coal? Strap windfarms on house roofs?
3) Free Economy! - No more central banker banksters and their central bank ponzi scheme of usary! BTC will be the official currency. The vacant skulls on the Tesco checkout will take to blockchain confirmations like ducks to water
4) Free the Animals! - Zoos to be opened and animals released
5) Free Car Tyres - All car tyres to be replaced with chocolate ones

I could go on? Donation below to join my campaign team:

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April 22, 2013, 03:22:33 PM
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Id be interested in reading a draft manifesto..

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April 22, 2013, 03:23:39 PM
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Id be interested in reading a draft manifesto..


ah hem... read the above post.


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April 22, 2013, 03:26:04 PM
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If only it was that easy!

I joined a new UK political party a few years ago called the Libertarian Party UK.

It cost me a £10, I got a nice key ring and the fella who became leader ended up making a dick of himself on TV!

Niche politics is a waste of time in today's day and age - far better to bypass it completely and create a lobby group for what you want.

Spend a few years lobbying the EU for some nice closed shop practices and retire in relative wealth!  Yes, modern politics is easy! Wink

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April 22, 2013, 03:26:55 PM
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lol your policy's will never get anyone elected m8




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April 22, 2013, 04:02:07 PM
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OK .. bit of clarification .. because most people don't actually read ...


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Radical, non-mainstream politics is definitely not "pretty easy". I was involved in some political work in my country (Poland), firstly in Congress of the New Right, today in the new, polish Libertarian Party (Partia Libertariańska). 0.5-1.5 % in every election...

It is easy enough to form a party, I never said it's easy to get elected to an MP position or Prime Minister ...

BEING a Politician is easy enough.
Being an executive is more challenging.
Being a Party Leader is even more challenging.

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What a great idea! The Smackheads And Free-Energy Party

Hang on, I can bang out a manifesto pretty quick:

1-6) blah blah blah

I could go on? Donation below to join my campaign team:

You sir, are a moron/idiot/fool, nuff' said. Politicians and leaders do tend to ignore morons like you because there's a dime a dozen of you around, unfortunately.  Roll Eyes

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I joined a new UK political party a few years ago called the Libertarian Party UK.

It cost me a £10, I got a nice key ring and the fella who became leader ended up making a dick of himself on TV!

Sorry you had a bad experience? Or, no experience from the sound of it. What pro-activeness did you do for your party? Or anything at all?

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Yes, modern politics is easy!

Again.. your experience of politics was? Becoming a member of a party and then..?

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lol your policy's will never get anyone elected m8

Seeing as a manifesto hasn't been written yet, and what I said in the OP was the general direction.. I am very curious as to WHAT our Policies would be exactly? Seeing as you apparently know them all already?

Or wait.. maybe you can't see the future, nor read my mind, nor read the other people that will help write such a manifesto's minds.. amagash, nowaiz?

Please try to think with at least a couple of brain cells before replying to posts ... I can virtually hear your brain squeeking from here.. it's very embarrassing..

And you're not going to understand what I mean by that last sentence are you  Roll Eyes

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On the £10 thing, membership fees to Political Parties are dependent on whatever the Party sets, they can be free, or £1, or £50, etc, etc.

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Id be interested in reading a draft manifesto..

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lol your policy's will never get anyone elected m8

I'm not sure who your last reply is directed at. A proper manifesto takes a while to write up, a draft is do'able in shorter time obviously, but I'm not putting in that kind of effort with hardly any interest.

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If you're in the US, this is what the general UK population is like - Imagine you had your guns taken from you, all of you, a couple hundred years back, and then every time someone raised their head for more equality and to end the corruption the population gets beaten down, often literally (if you check the histories). This inspires other close minded individuals to attack anyone who dares speak up. You think you have it bad in the US, hah, imagine what the general mentality would be like a few hundred years down the line with regard to "amagad, must stick nose up Presidents ass as far as I can get it! Can ..not.. think..outside...box...arrrg..!" Welcome to the UK ...
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April 22, 2013, 04:03:51 PM
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I was talking to bonkers m8...
Im actually very interested in the op, and yes i know a manifesto takes time/effort

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April 22, 2013, 04:10:13 PM
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I was talking to bonkers m8...
Im actually very interested in the op, and yes i know a manifesto takes time/effort

Ah hem.. it's "Bonker" if you don't mind. I dislike being referred to as "Bonkers"

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April 22, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
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Ye, soz, repeated myself a bit in my last reply.

I'll PM you a preliminary draft over the next week or so and will get your thoughts.

If anyone else is seriously interested I'll forward copies. It will be a work in progress (will likely take a few weeks to nail down a decent version).

And just to add, yes I have had experience in Politics and leading in this area.

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From seeing what you write, Bonkers suits you better Smiley
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April 22, 2013, 04:12:55 PM
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OK .. bit of clarification .. because most people don't actually read ...


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What a great idea! The Smackheads And Free-Energy Party

Hang on, I can bang out a manifesto pretty quick:

1-6) blah blah blah

I could go on? Donation below to join my campaign team:

You sir, are a moron/idiot/fool, nuff' said. Politicians and leaders do tend to ignore morons like you because there's a dime a dozen of you around, unfortunately.  Roll Eyes


An utterly vacuous refutation! Is that your approach to politics? Petty name calling?

I provide you with a valid manifesto and all you can do is hurl crude and childish abuse.


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April 22, 2013, 04:18:16 PM
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What a great idea! The Smackheads And Free-Energy Party

Hang on, I can bang out a manifesto pretty quick:

1-6) blah blah blah

I could go on? Donation below to join my campaign team:

You sir, are a moron/idiot/fool, nuff' said.
The word you're looking for is "troll."

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April 22, 2013, 04:31:28 PM
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I provide you with a valid manifesto and all you can do is hurl crude and childish abuse.

You actually believe this? Seriously?

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1) Free drugs for all - the bovine masses can be trusted to be sensible and consume in moderation. I know, I've been to Newcastle on a Saturday night.
2) Free Energy! - whatever than means? Post people parcels of coal? Strap windfarms on house roofs?
3) Free Economy! - No more central banker banksters and their central bank ponzi scheme of usary! BTC will be the official currency. The vacant skulls on the Tesco checkout will take to blockchain confirmations like ducks to water
4) Free the Animals! - Zoos to be opened and animals released
5) Free Car Tyres - All car tyres to be replaced with chocolate ones

This was a serious manifesto? And not a clear attempt at troll'ing and attempting to get a rise?

A moron, idiot, fool, are actual words with meaning. That you actually think what you wrote was a 'valid manifesto' means that you are a fool.

If you were trying to get a rise from your troll'ing then you are a moron.

And if you believe your own words, that you seriously were NOT troll'ing and trying to start a fight and that what you offered was a valid manifesto (on what planet?) then you are an idiot.

Hence Bonkers - fool/moron/idiot.

And now, after your last statement, if you turn around and say something along the lines of "hahaha, I know it wasn't a serious valid manifesto and you were right all along that I'm just troll'ing to get a rise."

Then you are a combination of all 3, hence again the combined term of fool/moron/idiot.

I say this in the sense to try to help you avoid embarrassing yourself further. But being who you are I will be very surprised if you don't dig yourself a deeper hole.

Of course you can admit your troll'ing and attempts to start an argument/fight and apologise, then I would stop pointing out why I refer to you like I do and get on with the primary reason for this post. But lets be honest, you're going to reply with something stupid again, and dig yourself a further hole. Now of course there is the choice of just staying quiet and not replying, that implies that all that I've said is correct, but you save yourself further embarrassment.  But that's not going to happen is it.

edit: And did I hurt your precious sensibilities by calling you names? There there! *pat* awww diddums!
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April 22, 2013, 04:36:32 PM
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you've given the reply more thought than it deserved...

click the ignore button, be done Cheesy

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April 22, 2013, 04:37:10 PM
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you've given the reply more thought than it deserved...

click the ignore button, be done Cheesy

Good point Smiley
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April 22, 2013, 05:36:08 PM
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Areas to be covered.

Drugs (please understand NOT a free for all, but a controlled regulated market)
Taxes
Jobs
NHS/health
Privatization
Public Sector
Crime
Education
Economy (free economy)
Energy
Immigration
Foreign Policy (wars, etc)
EU

If you're not a UK citizen and would like to contribute, maybe for shits and giggles, then sure, drop me a pm. If you are a UK and want to contribute, but cba to be a party member, that's also perfectly fine, pm again.

Again I need to state that such an undertaking will only be possible when btc kicks of bigger. A large part of Politics (these days anyway) is about money unfortunately. A lot of 'up and coming' politicians fund themselves, relying on donations is a definite secondary thing. It costs £1,500 to put yourself in for an election, then there's advertisement costs, travel expenses, etc, etc. And success is heavily dependent on the advertisement, getting yourself seen.

Don't expect - "woot, we have 500+ seats, we'll rule the country!!"

What the aim would be (again upon the assumption that by 2014 (spring) btc would be of a value to make this possible) - Waking people up, showing them there's a different way, poking the damn corruption in the eye (with a sharp stick, with dog poo on the end)! Never know, if fairly successful maybe 2019 we'd win substantial seats Wink

But yes, if the money is behind us then the possibility of winning seats does exist. If you got all the people that have lost faith in the government, that don't vote, to vote, thats around 50-80% of the votes (depending upon the constituency/area)

So, yup, once a draft is finished it'll be uploaded somewhere for all to view.

There's a war going on, we gotta fight it from every angle, we can't just sit back and let the rest of the world fight it whilst we in the UK twiddle our fingers, especially since we're in the belly of the beast.

edit: The general idea (re: the issues noted above) is freedom and equality, if you have interpretations of that with regard to one of the topics I'd be happy to hear.

With waking people up you can change retarded laws and corruption with influence. With seats you can stop corruption and get your voice, that represents your area, heard.
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April 22, 2013, 05:58:10 PM
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Areas to be covered.

Drugs (please understand NOT a free for all, but a controlled regulated market)
Taxes
Jobs
NHS/health
Privatization
Public Sector
Crime
Education
Economy (free economy)
Energy
Immigration
Foreign Policy (wars, etc)
EU

If you're not a UK citizen and would like to contribute, maybe for shits and giggles, then sure, drop me a pm. If you are a UK and want to contribute, but cba to be a party member, that's also perfectly fine, pm again.

Again I need to state that such an undertaking will only be possible when btc kicks of bigger. A large part of Politics (these days anyway) is about money unfortunately. A lot of 'up and coming' politicians fund themselves, relying on donations is a definite secondary thing. It costs £1,500 to put yourself in for an election, then there's advertisement costs, travel expenses, etc, etc. And success is heavily dependent on the advertisement, getting yourself seen.

Don't expect - "woot, we have 500+ seats, we'll rule the country!!"

What the aim would be (again upon the assumption that by 2014 (spring) btc would be of a value to make this possible) - Waking people up, showing them there's a different way, poking the damn corruption in the eye (with a sharp stick, with dog poo on the end)! Never know, if fairly successful maybe 2019 we'd win substantial seats Wink

But yes, if the money is behind us then the possibility of winning seats does exist. If you got all the people that have lost faith in the government, that don't vote, to vote, thats around 50-80% of the votes (depending upon the constituency/area)

So, yup, once a draft is finished it'll be uploaded somewhere for all to view.

There's a war going on, we gotta fight it from every angle, we can't just sit back and let the rest of the world fight it whilst we in the UK twiddle our fingers, especially since we're in the belly of the beast.

edit: The general idea (re: the issues noted above) is freedom and equality, if you have interpretations of that with regard to one of the topics I'd be happy to hear.

With waking people up you can change retarded laws and corruption with influence. With seats you can stop corruption and get your voice, that represents your area, heard.

This is a great idea. I think we can bury our original differences and make some progress here. If you are adult and mature enough to
work on such a basis I'm sure I can make a valid contribution.

Firstly, I think we should reassure the people voting for our new regime that this isn't just about legalising drugs and our own decadent lifestyles and bankrupt moral degeneracy. Its about freedom and BTC!

Comrades, to action!

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April 22, 2013, 07:36:39 PM
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Its about freedom and BTC!

Well, mostly about freedom, but then it only truly becomes possible with btc, so, yup.

Glad to have you aboard Smiley

I'll pm drafts out during the week to those interested and people can feedback on the areas they want and we'll work from there, and as we go along we'll see about getting more people interested.
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Its about freedom and BTC!

Well, mostly about freedom, but then it only truly becomes possible with btc, so, yup.

Glad to have you aboard Smiley

I'll pm drafts out during the week to those interested and people can feedback on the areas they want and we'll work from there, and as we go along we'll see about getting more people interested.

UKIP wants to reduce government size and getting out of the EU is an essential first step as most laws are made in Brussels now.

Would you not consider applying yourself to getting that done first since otherwise a new political party will be essentially powerless?  Join UKIP Wink

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