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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2035605 times)
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November 25, 2015, 01:47:37 PM
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21 Inc CEO:

"ultimate goal is basically "p2pool v2"."

https://twitter.com/balajis/status/669446465840893952

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November 25, 2015, 01:51:42 PM
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21 Inc CEO:

"ultimate goal is basically "p2pool v2"."

https://twitter.com/balajis/status/669446465840893952
I'll believe him when he explains the solutions to the p2pool issues.
There's a lot of marketing in that area of the bitcoin world that has nothing to do with reality.

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November 25, 2015, 01:54:10 PM
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21 Inc CEO:

"ultimate goal is basically "p2pool v2"."

https://twitter.com/balajis/status/669446465840893952

That is indeed good to hear! However, after the bitmain debacle regarding their supposed version & support of p2pool - I'm a little wary to say the least. After all, 21 Inc. is a business, & businesses don't do anything if there's no money to be made doing it.

If I used twatter - I'd follow him though  Cheesy
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November 25, 2015, 02:08:51 PM
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LOL... ultimate goal is p2pool v2.  Where have we heard that line of crap before?  I've got a lot of "ultimate goals", too.  If I state them, do they automatically become a reality? Tongue

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November 25, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
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Sorry guys, it's my fault. I finally got my rig stable. Of course there's no blocks...

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November 25, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
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Oh, well now that you've managed to stabilize your rig we should expect to see the blocks rolling in any minute now.  About damn time you got that sorted Tongue.

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November 25, 2015, 02:55:20 PM
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Sorry guys, it's my fault. I finally got my rig stable. Of course there's no blocks...

What was the problem in the end?
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November 25, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u7sk2/balaji_s_srinivasan_on_twitter_we_have_a_way_to/

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As the provider of the primary source of data for P2Pool miners (http://minefast.coincadence.com), the owner of p2pool.org, and someone who has been active with the P2Pool community for a while I would love to hear how 21 Inc. plans to roll out "P2Pool v2".

P2Pool's biggest strength is it's open source, trust-less and decentralized nature, preserving those traits should be the number 1 priority.

Other large operations (Bitmain Tech) have claimed to be rolling out a new version of P2Pool in the past, but as it turned out they just wanted to capitalize on the good will associated with P2Pool's name for their marketing message while continuing to run a closed, centralized mining pool. I certainly hope that is not the case with 21 Inc.

P2Pool is simply awesome, and I'd like as much as anyone to see it continue to grow, however there are some real challenges that need to be solved for it to be a decentralized, trust-less solution for miners around the world. Some pretty smart folks have been thinking about that problems for a while and the solution has yet to be discovered/invented.

I look forward to hearing Balaji's plan to address those problems.

Not that I expect a reply, but can't hurt to spell it out for the Reddit folks.

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November 25, 2015, 03:55:18 PM
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Not that I expect a reply, but can't hurt to spell it out for the Reddit folks.

LOL....Reddit users quite often need things spelling out for them - they're not the sharpest tools in the shed  Cheesy

Nice post there though windpath, well done. Like you say, don't hold your breath for a reply though  Wink
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November 25, 2015, 08:52:54 PM
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BLOCK!!  Grin Grin

Bugger me. That was a marathon.
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November 25, 2015, 09:04:12 PM
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They never come alone...
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November 25, 2015, 09:05:26 PM
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You see if the blocks weren't all bunched together then they'd be evenly spaced out and thus not random.
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November 25, 2015, 09:19:18 PM
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21 Inc CEO:

"ultimate goal is basically "p2pool v2"."

https://twitter.com/balajis/status/669446465840893952

Happy to report not only is Balaji sincere, they are actively working on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u7sk2/balaji_s_srinivasan_on_twitter_we_have_a_way_to/cxcxdlx

And the block is nice too Wink

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November 25, 2015, 09:26:29 PM
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21 Inc CEO:

"ultimate goal is basically "p2pool v2"."

https://twitter.com/balajis/status/669446465840893952

Happy to report not only is Balaji sincere, they are actively working on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u7sk2/balaji_s_srinivasan_on_twitter_we_have_a_way_to/cxcxdlx

And the block is nice too Wink
Sigh antpool v2

He's talking about distributed mining.

Yes that's what mining is ... distributed Tongue

The issue is a different word ... decentralised.

The pool issue is ... decentralised pools.

p2pool is the only (close to) decentralised pool.
I say "close to" due to the fact that there are centralised p2pool nodes where people run p2pool and other miners mine to their p2pools (that is called centralisation)

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November 25, 2015, 09:57:46 PM
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Happy to report not only is Balaji sincere, they are actively working on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3u7sk2/balaji_s_srinivasan_on_twitter_we_have_a_way_to/cxcxdlx

And the block is nice too Wink

I'm pleasantly surprised he replied so quickly  Smiley

However, as kano says, it does sound a lot like antpool v2 - & he doesn't go into much detail at all.

Maybe I'm being too skeptical, but we've all been lied to before, so I'm not going to get all excited until I see a more open & detailed analysis from 21 Inc.

All good PR for p2pool though, so that's good  Wink
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November 26, 2015, 01:29:57 PM
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For the "Antminer problem", I added on my pages nodes stats a notice message.

It would be appreciated add on all nodes public  Wink

you think is useful?

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November 26, 2015, 03:23:23 PM
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Sorry guys, it's my fault. I finally got my rig stable. Of course there's no blocks...

What was the problem in the end?

Dropping the hash rate seemed to help. Plus the newer version of the firmware.

Though I'm not absolutely sure I'm completely stable now. It just seemed like a humorous time to say so.

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November 27, 2015, 03:59:58 AM
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Nothing like a full belly of turkey and stuffing and a block for desert... Happy thanksgiving folks!

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November 27, 2015, 11:38:15 AM
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Nothing like a full belly of turkey and stuffing and a block for desert... Happy thanksgiving folks!

Here's some gravy for you, --merged on unobtanium and myriadcoin.

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November 28, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
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https://medium.com/@21/21-update-1-money-from-helicopters-e2fd8f2f8214#.671g0z8og

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Redecentralizing mining. Our long-term goal is to redecentralize mining via an updated version of p2pool. This is a technically challenging aim that will require a series of 21 updates to get there, of which this is the first. Part of the idea is to first allow 21 Bitcoin Computers to collaboratively mine by connecting to each other via a steadily improving “21 join” command, and to then enable them to connect as individuals or ad-hoc groups to an arbitrary pool via a software update that adds a “21 pool” command. There’s (much) more to it than that, but this update starts us down that path by adding support for “21 join”.

Exciting times!

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