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December 15, 2015, 03:26:15 PM
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It seems like in this thread there have been lots of recommendations for various settings and tweaks for bitcoind, p2pool and the various miners. It doesn't seem like anyone is correcting these anywhere. I may do so if someone is not already.

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December 15, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
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does it mean that the best ever would be p2pool was mining to just one address and then as coins mature it would be redistributed? is not this what nasty is doing?

That is our vision (credit to nonnakip for the work he's done on it), only we also distribute based on hashrate and not accepted p2pool shares to be fair to the little guys.  I think it is a much better solution than to run a centralized pool out of the gate.  I would love to see more p2pool sub-pools pop up with their own unique features, the way NastyPool offers our unique payout method and mining credits.  It sounds like -ck is working to help make his proxy more stable for this use which may be a huge step forward in bringing more users to the p2pool network.

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December 15, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
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does it mean that the best ever would be p2pool was mining to just one address and then as coins mature it would be redistributed? is not this what nasty is doing?

That is our vision (credit to nonnakip for the work he's done on it), only we also distribute based on hashrate and not accepted p2pool shares to be fair to the little guys.  I think it is a much better solution than to run a centralized pool out of the gate.  I would love to see more p2pool sub-pools pop up with their own unique features, the way NastyPool offers our unique payout method and mining credits.  It sounds like -ck is working to help make his proxy more stable for this use which may be a huge step forward in bringing more users to the p2pool network.
As stated above, though this is simply centralising a 'supposed' decentralised pool.
The point of p2pool is to not do this.
Though that is also a part of the problem with it.

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December 15, 2015, 10:43:33 PM
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does it mean that the best ever would be p2pool was mining to just one address and then as coins mature it would be redistributed? is not this what nasty is doing?

That is our vision (credit to nonnakip for the work he's done on it), only we also distribute based on hashrate and not accepted p2pool shares to be fair to the little guys.  I think it is a much better solution than to run a centralized pool out of the gate.  I would love to see more p2pool sub-pools pop up with their own unique features, the way NastyPool offers our unique payout method and mining credits.  It sounds like -ck is working to help make his proxy more stable for this use which may be a huge step forward in bringing more users to the p2pool network.

As stated above, though this is simply centralising a 'supposed' decentralised pool.
The point of p2pool is to not do this.
Though that is also a part of the problem with it.

That is your opinion and a hypocritical one I might add.  Having sub-pools with different features run by different operators to attract miners that otherwise would not participate with p2pool mining is not a bad thing for network decentralization.  It is a step forward from the centralized pools we see owning nearly all of the network today.  Maybe when p2pool has evolved a bit more, casual Bitcoin miners can easily run their own nodes.  I certainly encourage it and get nothing from users on our 0% fee node.  However, until some major issues are worked through, sub-pools may be the ONLY option for small miners who want to participate on the p2pool network without having to sacrifice regular earnings.

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December 15, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
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does it mean that the best ever would be p2pool was mining to just one address and then as coins mature it would be redistributed? is not this what nasty is doing?

That is our vision (credit to nonnakip for the work he's done on it), only we also distribute based on hashrate and not accepted p2pool shares to be fair to the little guys.  I think it is a much better solution than to run a centralized pool out of the gate.  I would love to see more p2pool sub-pools pop up with their own unique features, the way NastyPool offers our unique payout method and mining credits.  It sounds like -ck is working to help make his proxy more stable for this use which may be a huge step forward in bringing more users to the p2pool network.

As stated above, though this is simply centralising a 'supposed' decentralised pool.
The point of p2pool is to not do this.
Though that is also a part of the problem with it.

That is your opinion and a hypocritical one I might add.  Having sub-pools with different features run by different operators to attract miners that otherwise would not participate with p2pool mining is not a bad thing for network decentralization.  It is a step forward from the centralized pools we see owning nearly all of the network today.  Maybe when p2pool has evolved a bit more, casual Bitcoin miners can easily run their own nodes.  I certainly encourage it and get nothing from users on our 0% fee node.  However, until some major issues are worked through, sub-pools may be the ONLY option for small miners who want to participate on the p2pool network without having to sacrifice regular earnings.
I see no hypocrisy at all from me.

Yes I run a centralised pool - I'm not hiding that at all.

P2pool, on the other hand, states in the title it is a 'decentralised' pool.
However, it seems to have many 'centralised' nodes, and that 'centralisation' has only increased over the past couple of years.

Bitcoin has 'centralised' pools.
P2Pool has 'centralised' nodes.

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December 16, 2015, 03:46:58 AM
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I agree with Kano about p2pool concept, but the reason is not centralization only - but as I told before some online wallets do not accept generated transactions (I'd prefer Core but some guys want their BTC directly to exchanges), and another reason that some hardware like Antminer S5s often fails and hangs with direct connection to p2pool and their owners not so experienced to resolve this issue , but they still want too use p2pool for their reasons. In case p2pool software will be redesigned in some way and rewritten - it may resolve this.  We were talking about here a few pages before but there are no enthusiasts who can do it. 
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December 16, 2015, 03:55:40 AM
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The main difference is that if P2Pool ever had over X% of the global hashrate (Where X = whatever amount of centralized global hashrate you consider to be a threat), I assure you P2Pool has not, and will not ever reach that %. The community (and the software as it's written) would not allow it.

Furthermore, all folks have to do if X threshold is ever aproached or reached (through some miracle of decentralized mining) is fire up a P2Pool node of their own and mine away with the same variance as the rest of P2Pool... Heck, it's even easy to split the share chain and divide the hashrate between 2 or more P2Pool share chains, but we need a hashrate worthy of splitting first.

What centralized pool can offer that easy of a method of decentralization? None, only P2Pool and solo mining can.

Kano, everyone respects and appreciates your enormous contribution to the community and we (p2pool) are the only decentralized trustless mining pool, please stop arguing facts of the minutiae of the Pool and recognise the benefits of the trustless decentralization it provides.

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December 16, 2015, 07:43:16 AM
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at this time of bad luck...I sent another small donation  Wink

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December 16, 2015, 01:37:23 PM
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http://61.219.120.109:9332/static/ 120TH/s P2Pool version: 14.0-6-g18b5ad5-dirty Angry
http://minefast.coincadence.com:9332/web/version - strange version: "unknown 7032706f6f6c" Huh

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http://61.219.120.109:9332/static/ 120TH/s P2Pool version: 14.0-6-g18b5ad5-dirty Angry
http://minefast.coincadence.com:9332/web/version - strange version: "unknown 7032706f6f6c" Huh

Minefast is running version 15, the custom front end creates the wacky version #.


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http://61.219.120.109:9332/static/ 120TH/s P2Pool version: 14.0-6-g18b5ad5-dirty Angry

Dropped an email to the contact address on the pool page.

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December 17, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
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Last time we have many new version of p2pool. Answer me, how I have to renew my software quick and quite well?  Git check out not work. I decided delete old and re-download new version. Is it  quite  right?
Second,  please regularly post the last version of all software which needs to mining.
Thanks.

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Last time we have many new version of p2pool. Answer me, how I have to renew my software quick and quite well?  Git check out not work. I decided delete old and re-download new version. Is it  quite  right?
Second,  please regularly post the last version of all software which needs to mining.
Thanks.

If there is an update which is mandatory and you want to be notified, subscribe to this mailing list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/p2pool-notifications

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December 17, 2015, 12:49:07 PM
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Last time we have many new version of p2pool. Answer me, how I have to renew my software quick and quite well?  Git check out not work. I decided delete old and re-download new version. Is it  quite  right?
Second,  please regularly post the last version of all software which needs to mining.
Thanks.

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Theo

Thank you very much.  But there is bitcoind, bitcoinxt,  relaynetworkclient etc. Need Mach more information about setting up bitcoin.conf in a different situations. Very much questions.

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December 17, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
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But there is bitcoind, bitcoinxt,  relaynetworkclient etc. Need Mach more information about setting up bitcoin.conf in a different situations. Very much questions.

Welcome AndryNag,

There is a basic guide for setting up p2pool & bitcoind on the first page of this thread which should get you up & running. No modifications of the bitcoin.conf file are needed to run the relaynetworkclient & there is a readme file on the github page for running it. There is a wealth of info on this thread, have a read through & use the search function to find stuff - I use it all the time, if you still can't find what you're looking for, then post here with details of your OS, network etc & someone will try to answer your questions  Smiley

Edit: BTW, hopefully this post will help p2pool:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855548.msg13277479#msg13277479

Any support would be appreciated & hopefully stop any further confusion about p2pool & p2p.antpool  Wink
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December 17, 2015, 03:18:40 PM
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Answer me, how I have to renew my software quick and quite well?  Git check out not work.


Code:
git pull

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I decided delete old and re-download new version. Is it  quite  right?

yes

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December 17, 2015, 05:05:49 PM
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but you loose the stats ... if you delete all folder of the p2pool (need keep DATA that it keep stats. from p2pool local node).

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Comment miner des bitcoins ? Un tutoriel est là : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1114415.0
Bitcoin change everything ... an explain of this fact : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joITmEr4SjY
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v15 done.  Cheesy


French ... but not so much   ---===---   P2P ... it's people at the end   ---===---   P2Pool (10,9 GH/s).
Comment miner des bitcoins ? Un tutoriel est là : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1114415.0
Bitcoin change everything ... an explain of this fact : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joITmEr4SjY
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December 18, 2015, 02:28:52 AM
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v15 done.  Cheesy

Great stuff - & we're now @ 3 PH!  Smiley
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December 18, 2015, 04:44:17 PM
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I am attempting to get p2pool running for litecoin, My startup line is
python ./run_p2pool.py --net litecoin --give-author 1 -f 0 --bitcoind-rpc-port 10332 -n litecoin-p2pool.com:9338 USERNAME PASSWORD

I am getting an error connecting to the blockchain that traces back to something called softforks. It seems unable to connect to the blockchain.

The litecoin conf file contains

server=1
listen-1
bind=0.0.0.0
daemon=1
rpcport=10332
port=10333
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1

I have the bitcoin version running just fine. I appear to be missing something here.
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