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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2566827 times)
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February 03, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
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Has anyone updated their S4 to the latest firmware? It seems to have introduced a strange bug with p2pool. I'd like to figure out what's up.

Details start here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796839.msg10340651#msg10340651

On the up side, stales / DOA are MUCH lower than on the previous firmware.
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February 04, 2015, 09:57:48 AM
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I have another p2pool question. I am mining on  2 different nodes and I notice on both, the list of miners is always changing in which position my miners are on the list. Is this in someway tied to completed shares even if the shares don't meet the threshold of the difficulty to count as a p2pool share? I guess just wonder if there is a reason for the list to constantly be shuffling around?  
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February 04, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
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I have another p2pool question. I am mining on  2 different nodes and I notice on both, the list of miners is always changing in which position my miners are on the list. Is this in someway tied to completed shares even if the shares don't meet the threshold of the difficulty to count as a p2pool share? I guess just wonder if there is a reason for the list to constantly be shuffling around?  
It's like solo mining but a lot lower difficulty.
The pseudo shares are only to show your hash rate.
They really mean nothing at all.
The real shares (no idea how many million diff it is at the moment) are on all nodes under the address the share was mined.

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So if you mine on multiple p2pool nodes with the same address, you'll see your expected payout as a sum of all shares under one sharechain address.
If you mine on multiple p2pool nodes with different addresses, then the payout will be the sum of the individual addresses - but the same value.
(Of course the 2nd option means that you'll end up with the payout broken up into smaller amounts which isn't very wise for anyone but a large miner)

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February 04, 2015, 12:50:34 PM
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I have another p2pool question. I am mining on  2 different nodes and I notice on both, the list of miners is always changing in which position my miners are on the list. Is this in someway tied to completed shares even if the shares don't meet the threshold of the difficulty to count as a p2pool share? I guess just wonder if there is a reason for the list to constantly be shuffling around?  
It's like solo mining but a lot lower difficulty.
The pseudo shares are only to show your hash rate.
They really mean nothing at all.
The real shares (no idea how many million diff it is at the moment) are on all nodes under the address the share was mined.

Aside:
So if you mine on multiple p2pool nodes with the same address, you'll see your expected payout as a sum of all shares under one sharechain address.
If you mine on multiple p2pool nodes with different addresses, then the payout will be the sum of the individual addresses - but the same value.
(Of course the 2nd option means that you'll end up with the payout broken up into smaller amounts which isn't very wise for anyone but a large miner)

Thanks Kano
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February 04, 2015, 02:13:16 PM
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So, I've been running my BTC node using pypy for a while now & I'm very happy with it. Anyone who has alot of spare RAM - I'd highly recommend using it - much faster, less DOA/rejects & very stable  Grin

Still like to see it in C though.........

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February 04, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
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So, I've been running my BTC node using pypy for a while now & I'm very happy with it. Anyone who has alot of spare RAM - I'd highly recommend using it - much faster, less DOA/rejects & very stable  Grin

Still like to see it in C though.........

i have lotsa spare RAM ... need a guide, downloaded everything to get it running. but failed, maybe missed i something?

using windows here.

my node has been up for over 3 1/2 days 278 shares including 22 orphans & 2 dead, will be happy if i can get them to be lower.

click on sig to goto my node. any inputs are welcomed to improve it.

tia
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February 04, 2015, 03:18:00 PM
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So, I've been running my BTC node using pypy for a while now & I'm very happy with it. Anyone who has alot of spare RAM - I'd highly recommend using it - much faster, less DOA/rejects & very stable  Grin

Still like to see it in C though.........

i have lotsa spare RAM ... need a guide, downloaded everything to get it running. but failed, maybe missed i something?

using windows here.

my node has been up for over 3 1/2 days 278 shares including 22 orphans & 2 dead, will be happy if i can get them to be lower.

click on sig to goto my node. any inputs are welcomed to improve it.

tia

Gentoo ebuild has low mem use flag, it might help with memory default disabled -low-mem..

[ebuild  N     ] dev-python/pypy-2.4.0:0/2.4  USE="bzip2 gdbm jit ncurses sqlite tk -doc -low-memory (-sandbox) -shadowstack" CPU_FLAGS_X86="(-sse2)

Have to test this asap

Is there a modified p2pool code for multiprocessing somewhere?

import multiprocessing at the beginning of code, or does it multi without modification too? Pypy does support it I guess.

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February 04, 2015, 04:40:38 PM
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Speaking of pypy, I was wondering what the verdict was. I have plenty of RAM available. Is the switch fairly painless? I'd like to give it a go, but I also don't want to mess anything up with my Linux noobishness.
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February 04, 2015, 06:03:31 PM
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So, I've been running my BTC node using pypy for a while now & I'm very happy with it. Anyone who has alot of spare RAM - I'd highly recommend using it - much faster, less DOA/rejects & very stable  Grin

Still like to see it in C though.........

i have lotsa spare RAM ... need a guide, downloaded everything to get it running. but failed, maybe missed i something?

using windows here.

my node has been up for over 3 1/2 days 278 shares including 22 orphans & 2 dead, will be happy if i can get them to be lower.

click on sig to goto my node. any inputs are welcomed to improve it.

tia

Where is it located?
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February 04, 2015, 06:08:30 PM
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Speaking of pypy, I was wondering what the verdict was. I have plenty of RAM available. Is the switch fairly painless? I'd like to give it a go, but I also don't want to mess anything up with my Linux noobishness.

It's extremely painless, I'm also a Linux noob (& stoner  Cool) & I managed it in a few minutes, so you should be OK. idonothave kindly posted a guide a few pages back:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.msg10135870#msg10135870

Well worth it  Smiley

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February 04, 2015, 06:28:13 PM
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What I did with gentoo to install pypy, emerge is gentoo install command as apt-get is in ubuntu

emerge pypy-bin as root

After that

easy_install --user  -U twisted
easy_install --user  -U zope.interface

edited .bashrc and added line

export PYTHONPATH=/home/username/.local/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/

Seems to work fast Smiley

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February 04, 2015, 10:32:20 PM
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back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa
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February 04, 2015, 10:34:16 PM
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So, I've been running my BTC node using pypy for a while now & I'm very happy with it. Anyone who has alot of spare RAM - I'd highly recommend using it - much faster, less DOA/rejects & very stable  Grin

Still like to see it in C though.........

i have lotsa spare RAM ... need a guide, downloaded everything to get it running. but failed, maybe missed i something?

using windows here.

my node has been up for over 3 1/2 days 278 shares including 22 orphans & 2 dead, will be happy if i can get them to be lower.

click on sig to goto my node. any inputs are welcomed to improve it.

tia

Where is it located?

Asia/Malaysia

you can get more details @ http://nodes.p2pool.co/

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February 04, 2015, 10:35:28 PM
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back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

Woot, 37555.56% luck on the 2nd, I have them at 170 seconds apart Smiley
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February 04, 2015, 10:36:06 PM
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back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

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February 04, 2015, 10:40:00 PM
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It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?


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February 04, 2015, 10:43:04 PM
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It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

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February 04, 2015, 10:51:47 PM
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It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M

Thank you for explaining that!
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February 04, 2015, 10:54:00 PM
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back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M

Thank you for explaining that!

These payouts are also virgin coins - freshly minted  Wink

That's the beauty of a truly decentralised system, we don't have to wait for any centralised body to pay us (or not, as happens on other pools), what you see is what you get.

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February 04, 2015, 11:01:51 PM
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back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M

Thank you for explaining that!

These payouts are also virgin coins - freshly minted  Wink

That's the beauty of a truly decentralised system, we don't have to wait for any centralised body to pay us (or not, as happens on other pools), what you see is what you get.
I have to agree with you...it just took me a while to understand p2pool
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