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May 22, 2013, 03:11:01 PM
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Is it possible (I was reading about the issue with people putting in too detailed of answers) of using some kind of wildcards? For example, if you have a picture of Lassie and you wanted the answer of a dog, someone who put in "Lassie the dog" would still ping as correct since the system would find "dog" in it.

There is a big problem with this. There is no way to distinguish a user that gives a detailed answer, from a user that submits multiple answers.

For example he could be recognizing that it is a dog and then, since I would be asking for a character name, start listing all dog names in one answer, like: "lassie jack brucie bingo hatchie".

Maybe I could only allow the answer to be a prefix of the string but this would again not solve the problem. Let's suppose I accept "lassie" and "lassie x" where x any word or words. This would be good for answers like "lassie the dog", but what about answers like "baby lassie"?
Then I would need to start accepting "x lassie" too, which I bet would lead to having users double betting all the time like "lassie brucie" <- two answers in one bet, if one is correct then the user wins the pot. This would be a big problem.

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May 23, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
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I put up some new pics. I don't remember which ones I have posted in this thread so here are the last two uploaded:

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May 23, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
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Is it possible (I was reading about the issue with people putting in too detailed of answers) of using some kind of wildcards? For example, if you have a picture of Lassie and you wanted the answer of a dog, someone who put in "Lassie the dog" would still ping as correct since the system would find "dog" in it.

There is a big problem with this. There is no way to distinguish a user that gives a detailed answer, from a user that submits multiple answers.

For example he could be recognizing that it is a dog and then, since I would be asking for a character name, start listing all dog names in one answer, like: "lassie jack brucie bingo hatchie".

Maybe I could only allow the answer to be a prefix of the string but this would again not solve the problem. Let's suppose I accept "lassie" and "lassie x" where x any word or words. This would be good for answers like "lassie the dog", but what about answers like "baby lassie"?
Then I would need to start accepting "x lassie" too, which I bet would lead to having users double betting all the time like "lassie brucie" <- two answers in one bet, if one is correct then the user wins the pot. This would be a big problem.

Yeah, I can see the problem with that... off the top of my head I really can't think of any good solutions for it that wouldn't be exploitable. I could just see someone getting irritated because there was a picture of like a computer and someone said "computer" but it was really supposed to be "desktop."

I guess if the hints at least lead people in the right way of understanding how it should be answered it should be fine.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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May 23, 2013, 05:58:18 PM
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Yeah, I can see the problem with that... off the top of my head I really can't think of any good solutions for it that wouldn't be exploitable. I could just see someone getting irritated because there was a picture of like a computer and someone said "computer" but it was really supposed to be "desktop."

I guess if the hints at least lead people in the right way of understanding how it should be answered it should be fine.

Yeah it can be annoying at some times I guess. The good thing is that it's never unfair since it's the same for everyone. It's not unlike other games. You might come very close to the answer, miss, and then the opponent gets helped and finds the correct one. Of course there is an equal chance that you'll be on the other end of this. ;-)

I could give more detailed hints but that would make it way less fun since it would give certainty to users about their answers. For example let's suppose that I want the answer "desktop". If I give a hint like "Object, give the exact type." users would rule out quite a few generic items. They might be thinking it's a pair of shoes but they would not bet until they know what shoes they are, which would probably never happen since they would first all realize it's a computer. Of course they would then start guess-betting all the possible type. Well I am not sure if that makes sense to you. :-)

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May 24, 2013, 10:36:37 AM
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Yeah, I can see the problem with that... off the top of my head I really can't think of any good solutions for it that wouldn't be exploitable. I could just see someone getting irritated because there was a picture of like a computer and someone said "computer" but it was really supposed to be "desktop."

I guess if the hints at least lead people in the right way of understanding how it should be answered it should be fine.

Yeah it can be annoying at some times I guess. The good thing is that it's never unfair since it's the same for everyone. It's not unlike other games. You might come very close to the answer, miss, and then the opponent gets helped and finds the correct one. Of course there is an equal chance that you'll be on the other end of this. ;-)

I could give more detailed hints but that would make it way less fun since it would give certainty to users about their answers. For example let's suppose that I want the answer "desktop". If I give a hint like "Object, give the exact type." users would rule out quite a few generic items. They might be thinking it's a pair of shoes but they would not bet until they know what shoes they are, which would probably never happen since they would first all realize it's a computer. Of course they would then start guess-betting all the possible type. Well I am not sure if that makes sense to you. :-)

It does. And I understand where you're coming from. I was going to offer to help you decide what to name the pictures (in the case of anything that could be taken multiple ways) but I'd hate to be blamed if someone guessed one quickly because I might have shared the answer, XD.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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May 24, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
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It does. And I understand where you're coming from. I was going to offer to help you decide what to name the pictures (in the case of anything that could be taken multiple ways) but I'd hate to be blamed if someone guessed one quickly because I might have shared the answer, XD.

Yeap.

You know the initial idea about Apophenia was to let users upload challenges and just take a small portion of the profits. But then I though that it would be impossible to play since there would be a huge number of users uploading challenges that nobody solves because they don't trust them. And chances would be that scammers would be all over the site. Maybe if I was charging a listing fee it could work but I think it would just end up dying quickly unless some trusted member of the community started using it.

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May 24, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
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It does. And I understand where you're coming from. I was going to offer to help you decide what to name the pictures (in the case of anything that could be taken multiple ways) but I'd hate to be blamed if someone guessed one quickly because I might have shared the answer, XD.

Yeap.

You know the initial idea about Apophenia was to let users upload challenges and just take a small portion of the profits. But then I though that it would be impossible to play since there would be a huge number of users uploading challenges that nobody solves because they don't trust them. And chances would be that scammers would be all over the site. Maybe if I was charging a listing fee it could work but I think it would just end up dying quickly unless some trusted member of the community started using it.

Yeah, I think allowing others to do the uploading could cause more problems than it's worth. Someone could purposefully use tough to guess words to keep people giving more and more money, just so that they can't win it.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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May 25, 2013, 02:04:31 AM
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The "death on the nile" picture expired. Funny thing is that someone had placed the correct answer on it but hadn't paid his bet.

I'll add its user pot to the next picture I upload. I accidentally uploaded one right now without adding the pot to it so I'll just add it to the next one tomorrow.


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May 25, 2013, 08:20:38 AM
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Just as i finally received my mining rewards to bet for that Indian wedding picture, it got solved =(

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May 25, 2013, 11:10:21 AM
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The screenshot of death of the nile, tbh I feel that's kind of far fetched. I am way more hesitant to play again now.

I think you might get more bets in, if you make it a little easier. The pics will get solved faster yes, but the avg bets per picture will probably go up.

I suggest saying clearly what "category" it is. Not movie/plant/object/.. (which is basically the same as saying "hintless"). Also, why no color pictures?

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May 25, 2013, 11:17:15 AM
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The screenshot of death of the nile, tbh I feel that's kind of far fetched. I am way more hesitant to play again now.

I think you might get more bets in, if you make it a little easier. The pics will get solved faster yes, but the avg bets per picture will probably go up.

I suggest saying clearly what "category" it is. Not movie/plant/object/.. (which is basically the same as saying "hintless"). Also, why no color pictures?

I completely agree.

Also about the user submitted pictures: moderate the entries and check if the answers could be correct.
EDIT: nvm, would still be abused by people betting on their own picture.

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May 25, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
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For example, check out http://www.reddit.com/r/GuessTheMovie

Those are movie screenshots only, unblurred from the get go. And a LOT of people are placing guesses, and most of them are wrong.
It's still pretty hard, but it's way more approachable for people then "Death of the nile" and put a vague picture of some pyramids, along with saying "hintless".

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May 25, 2013, 12:06:34 PM
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The screenshot of death of the nile, tbh I feel that's kind of far fetched. I am way more hesitant to play again now.

I think you might get more bets in, if you make it a little easier. The pics will get solved faster yes, but the avg bets per picture will probably go up.

I suggest saying clearly what "category" it is. Not movie/plant/object/.. (which is basically the same as saying "hintless"). Also, why no color pictures?

I'll consider this. I will try putting some pictures with more specific hints saying the exact category and see how it'll go.

I avoid all color on the site. I tried colored pictures but they totally ruin the pareidolia effect. Meaning people can easily rule out almost all of their guesses because of the colors present.

For example, check out http://www.reddit.com/r/GuessTheMovie

Those are movie screenshots only, unblurred from the get go. And a LOT of people are placing guesses, and most of them are wrong.
It's still pretty hard, but it's way more approachable for people then "Death of the nile" and put a vague picture of some pyramids, along with saying "hintless".

Well, to be fair the reason there are so many bad guesses is because it's free to guess there. But I get what you are saying. Maybe I won't put movies in Hintless pictures and instead use objects for them or perhaps very well known movies.

I'll break up my categories schedule a bit more. It'll be more specific.

EDIT: Here is a new picture with a specific hint:

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May 25, 2013, 12:43:26 PM
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Well, to be fair the reason there are so many bad guesses is because it's free to guess there.

This was my first thought as well. When there is nothing to lose, there is no reason not to try. When you have something on the line you are likely to be a lot more cautious.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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May 28, 2013, 03:59:06 AM
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Looks like there's a problem.  Two people have guessed "Forrest Gump" on the oldest unsolved, and if youtube is to be trusted that should be the right answer:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ph9ecjMbLbA#t=74s

(Neither guess is mine, just pointing this out.)



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May 28, 2013, 05:55:59 AM
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Sorry for this. I made a typo in the correct answer. I reset your bets and corrected the answer and then rechecked the bets for payment. It turns out someone has found this before all of the others but his bet never got confirmed so this is not considered correct. (This is the payment: https://blockchain.info/address/1EuRi6hFQ1B19B3bNviTwdHviEbv7MVYCi)

Other than that I see the first confirmed bet getting the pot PLUS a bet refund (that guy probably bet again the answer after a while) and I also see someone getting refunded for tropical thunder.

The guy with the unconfirmed transaction will be refunded for his bet when the transaction gets through.

Sorry for the delay, I was asleep. :-)

So everything looks square now. If anyone has any more problems after this please announce them here (or PM me if you don't like publicity) and I'll fix them in the next hours (I'll be out for a while).

Again sorry for the mess. :-)

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May 28, 2013, 06:05:05 AM
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Looks like there's a problem.  Two people have guessed "Forrest Gump" on the oldest unsolved, and if youtube is to be trusted that should be the right answer:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ph9ecjMbLbA#t=74s

(Neither guess is mine, just pointing this out.)




I actually made both of those bets with that FG answer..

the first one was initially i thought i sent to the wrong address, as it still pending confirmation, i decided to send it again with the same bets/answer, and then after i got 1 confirmation, i checked out the site and saw it wrong  Huh

https://apopheniabtc.com/txs.php my address is 1Hag

sorry mate, i had to PM'd you because i dont want to make a big deal out of it publicly without know what happen first, but glad everything is resolved..of course i was panic there because i dont have a good mining rig to begin with lol

hope we wont see that problem again  Cool
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May 28, 2013, 11:31:02 AM
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sorry mate, i had to PM'd you because i dont want to make a big deal out of it publicly without know what happen first, but glad everything is resolved..of course i was panic there because i dont have a good mining rig to begin with lol

hope we wont see that problem again  Cool

I hope it won't happen again. I typed "forest" instead of "forrest". I had never though that it was written differently and I've seen the movie a dozen of times. If I didn't know the movie that good I would be more careful copying the title (in most cases I visit IMDB to grab the proper title).

So, here are two new pics!

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June 02, 2013, 05:23:23 PM
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I really like your game, it's much fun trying to solve the pics.

However, I don't think it will ever be profitable for you in its current form. I solved three pics without one wrong guess and I believe that people are just going to wait until the pics are clear enough to make a safe guess.

Maybe you could implement paid hints for users to buy. There could be 3 or 4 hints which are getting more expensive as time passes and part of their price would again go to the pot. Of course hints wouldn't be publicly disclosed, so everyone buys for themselves. I think people would be tempted to buy hints early on when the are cheaper and also to place bets as they already would've paid for a hint. You could even let users buy letters of the solution as in wheel of fortune.

Hope you keep the site running!

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i have never heard of 99% of the things on this

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