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Question: Do you want hard fork?
No - 46 (42.2%)
No - SegWit - 45 (41.3%)
Yes - Bitcoin Unlimited - 18 (16.5%)
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March 29, 2017, 10:37:14 PM
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Seems that majority doesn't want hard fork and many users have kind a fear of it. People don't like changes, I know. But is it realy so bad and does it realy need to bring something bad to bitcoin and its users. I think there is room for adjustment and hard fork could be something that we could get used to and everything could function well.
Right, most of us here don't want that hard fork. For me having bitcoin now is enough but I agree to you that there is always a room for improvements. We have already suffered those issues when it entered and it has a bad impact.

It's not a matter of 'there is room for improvements'. Bitcoin needs to scale, and better as soon as possible. It prevents Bitcoin from growing further as current situation leads to nothing but doubts and panic. SegWit isn't a perfect solution, but it's the best one so far, and should get activated as soon as possible. BU stands for a hostile takeover, which is exactly what we at all times must prevent. There is no place for hidden agendas.

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March 29, 2017, 10:55:28 PM
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I voted for the Segwit option, because I can see the need for an update, only that update shouldn't cause a fork. I've noticed many people are afraid off a fork and don't really understand how it works, but they already know it's something bad. This shows that if a fork ever does happen we'll have a mass exodus of people unfamiliar with the term. A good situation for traders, but bad if you're a holder or planning to spend your coins in the near future.

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March 30, 2017, 12:30:09 AM
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Easy question for everyone.
Do you want hard fork?

Personally I dont want any hard forks. Bitcoin is Bitcoin and it should be like this. I don`t want any changes. Growing fee is ok for me because it is still so cheap if you think about how big amounts of money you can send. For sure I don`t want any BU. It is stupid. People don`t know what to do now. We should finish this negotiate and leave it as it is.

The only possible change can be to connect with SegWit and everyone will be happy Wink
No. Since there is bitcoin, separtion shouldn't be. Let's just focus on one currency at a time and make it wider. However, no matter on what we say, it is still upon them if they will continue it or not. Let's just believe in bitcoin and sure thing, it would pump again.

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March 30, 2017, 01:16:55 AM
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Easy question for everyone.
Do you want hard fork?

Personally I dont want any hard forks. Bitcoin is Bitcoin and it should be like this. I don`t want any changes. Growing fee is ok for me because it is still so cheap if you think about how big amounts of money you can send. For sure I don`t want any BU. It is stupid. People don`t know what to do now. We should finish this negotiate and leave it as it is.

The only possible change can be to connect with SegWit and everyone will be happy Wink
No. Since there is bitcoin, separtion shouldn't be. Let's just focus on one currency at a time and make it wider. However, no matter on what we say, it is still upon them if they will continue it or not. Let's just believe in bitcoin and sure thing, it would pump again.

Trust me, no one wants a hardfork. Some may want it ideologically, like the ETH/ETC split. But when it's actually implemented, the growing pains/price fluctuations make it a pain in the ass.

But it seems like the issue will be forced.
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March 30, 2017, 07:46:30 AM
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Sometimes it needs to get worse before it gets better. A fork would clear the air and it's probably really bad short term but should be good medium/long term if enough miners starts supporting BU.

Segwit is a crappy implementation and relying on the LN vaporware is insanity. As a benefit we could get rid of crazies (you all know who I mean).
I think that if we agree on the idea of making the bitcoin unlimited that will destroy it and make the bitcoin a worthless thing, the only reason people are so interested in bitcoin is because of its high price and that comes from saving it because it is a limited thing so people rush to buying it like there is no tomorrow to try make a profit out of it, and making it unlimited will turn that idea all around.

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March 30, 2017, 08:20:47 AM
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Sometimes it needs to get worse before it gets better. A fork would clear the air and it's probably really bad short term but should be good medium/long term if enough miners starts supporting BU.

Segwit is a crappy implementation and relying on the LN vaporware is insanity. As a benefit we could get rid of crazies (you all know who I mean).
I think that if we agree on the idea of making the bitcoin unlimited that will destroy it and make the bitcoin a worthless thing, the only reason people are so interested in bitcoin is because of its high price and that comes from saving it because it is a limited thing so people rush to buying it like there is no tomorrow to try make a profit out of it, and making it unlimited will turn that idea all around.

At first it was the only reason, but it's not the only reason for deciding to leave bitcoin, for BU haters : what you think and what you can give to bitcoin solution in the future?

When blocksize has been completed, bitcoin will become increasingly scarce, higher price, and not everyone will be able to have a lot of bitcoin, but just a substantives small deployment of market interests. BU can be a long-term solution even if the price will go down from now, we need centralization to be accepted in legitimate legal civilization.



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March 31, 2017, 11:14:52 AM
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People who are getting paid in BTC for their work. I know a guy who earned $2,000 in BTC in one month, in August 2016, for creating a poker site. There are many others earning smaller but still significant amounts, for example here, participating in Sig campaigns.

Hmm,
If people like me quit buying BTC because of ridiculous fee system, who is your friend going to sell his BTC to , when he needs to convert to fiat.  Wink
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March 31, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
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People who are getting paid in BTC for their work. I know a guy who earned $2,000 in BTC in one month, in August 2016, for creating a poker site. There are many others earning smaller but still significant amounts, for example here, participating in Sig campaigns.

Hmm,
If people like me quit buying BTC because of ridiculous fee system, who is your friend going to sell his BTC to , when he needs to convert to fiat.  Wink
Higher Transaction fees will be everyone's problem, not just mine.  Cry


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I agree and I'm really grateful  to you that you are from the ones who is buying BTC. I'm not saying that ridiculously high fees is not a problem I'm just saying that around $0.5 is not ridiculously high and lately we are  having around $0.4 for a median transaction size so if it stays more or less on this level I'm okay with that.

I'm against the fork. I like to use bitcoin. Most of all, I do not want my savings to suffer. A fork can bring a lot of bad for investors
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I'm against the fork. I like to use bitcoin. Most of all, I do not want my savings to suffer. A fork can bring a lot of bad for investors

yes but will solve current drama and in year/two we will see who have right staying in stagnation is killing btc

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March 31, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
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No, hard fork is a bad idea, it will split bitcoin support into two and I do not like BU too. I do not see any good resolution to the problem of scaling but I am sure BU or hard fork is not the solution to it.

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It depends if it improve the protocol of Bitcoin and make it to scale and compete with the latest technology both in crypto and finance system I will support it. But if it is only to fuel the greed of some people then I am completely agaisnt it.  Hardfork is not evil and mostly needed to implement something to avoid errors and exploits during update/upgrade
The problem is that bitcoin is not your average open source project a fork in bitcoin will shake the confidence of investors and with it the price and if the price of bitcoin tanks then many investors will probably give up on crypto currencies even if things improve in the long term.

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It depends if it improve the protocol of Bitcoin and make it to scale and compete with the latest technology both in crypto and finance system I will support it. But if it is only to fuel the greed of some people then I am completely agaisnt it.  Hardfork is not evil and mostly needed to implement something to avoid errors and exploits during update/upgrade
The problem is that bitcoin is not your average open source project a fork in bitcoin will shake the confidence of investors and with it the price and if the price of bitcoin tanks then many investors will probably give up on crypto currencies even if things improve in the long term.

I won't expect that hard fork will pass in the upcoming days, because if forking occurs then price automatically dumped to low value in the chart. We know the bitcoin is always volatile and price is fluctuating but still btc need to settle in a base value and we did it. We settled the 1050$ as base value for this year. Hope we will see the next peak value before this year ends.

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April 02, 2017, 06:57:49 PM
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It depends if it improve the protocol of Bitcoin and make it to scale and compete with the latest technology both in crypto and finance system I will support it. But if it is only to fuel the greed of some people then I am completely agaisnt it.  Hardfork is not evil and mostly needed to implement something to avoid errors and exploits during update/upgrade
The problem is that bitcoin is not your average open source project a fork in bitcoin will shake the confidence of investors and with it the price and if the price of bitcoin tanks then many investors will probably give up on crypto currencies even if things improve in the long term.

I won't expect that hard fork will pass in the upcoming days, because if forking occurs then price automatically dumped to low value in the chart. We know the bitcoin is always volatile and price is fluctuating but still btc need to settle in a base value and we did it. We settled the 1050$ as base value for this year. Hope we will see the next peak value before this year ends.

If there is no fork, then we can see such a value. But if there is a split, the price will be restored for a long time and it will be a big step back. I do not want a fork
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I don't like bitcoin unlimited, but I like segwit approach more than the retro one.
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I was very surprised at the number of votes given in support of the hardfork of Bitcoin, especially from supporters of Bitcoin who believe that the fork either inevitable or "it's not so bad." I understand them, but they're wrong.
Exchangers confirmed that in the case of the hardfork they will put BTU for trading as alitcoin - it scares me, because although people in the industry know what altcoin is, the average person outside the industry doesn't.
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April 02, 2017, 07:25:31 PM
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No matter how hard I disagree to a hard fork, somewhere down the road it would still be the path that we will be taking since it would be our best bet to scalability issues in the future. Also, changes are inevitable into an ever-changing system and also to ensure that we are heading for improvement and not taking things worse.

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I was very surprised at the number of votes given in support of the hardfork of Bitcoin, especially from supporters of Bitcoin who believe that the fork either inevitable or "it's not so bad." I understand them, but they're wrong.
Exchangers confirmed that in the case of the hardfork they will put BTU for trading as alitcoin - it scares me, because although people in the industry know what altcoin is, the average person outside the industry doesn't.

What you mean is bittrex? some markets hinted to be the most advanced when hardfork really going to happen. Concepts Unlimited solutions for future arrangements, but the impact on temporary price reduction. then what are you afraid of, what are you afraid of bitcoin will be monopolized/drive prices down? sometimes we need capitalism to increase progress in future or bitcoin never going to get a formal legality.


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April 07, 2017, 01:54:37 AM
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I was very surprised at the number of votes given in support of the hardfork of Bitcoin, especially from supporters of Bitcoin who believe that the fork either inevitable or "it's not so bad." I understand them, but they're wrong.
Exchangers confirmed that in the case of the hardfork they will put BTU for trading as alitcoin - it scares me, because although people in the industry know what altcoin is, the average person outside the industry doesn't.
Correct, this will create a confusion about which one is the true bitcoin and which one is the alt, also the media is going to use that to spread even more disinformation about bitcoin and more and more people will decide to not invest in bitcoin.

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April 07, 2017, 08:27:08 AM
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I don't think we need hardfork because we don't really need that. We just only need a team that can support bitcoin very well and try to maintain it on its good performance and sustain the needs of the growing amount of the bitcoin users. That is what we need and we don't need hardfork or another cloned coin just to ease the things up.

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