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March 22, 2017, 08:31:11 PM
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In many countries of the world homosexuality is still illegal and is sometimes even punished with death. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg/1035px-World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg.png)

In most Western countries, same sex marriage is now permitted. Adoption has also been allowed in some countries. There are no studies that show that children grow up badly in homosexual relationships.

Why do you think that so many Western countries have problems with same rights for homosexual ppl?
And what do you think about it personally?
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March 22, 2017, 09:27:15 PM
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The main argue I've heard is that the child will fare badly as a result of it. Whether it is true or not is another question, but I think I saw a local study some time ago that gave that argument some credit. I'm on phone at the moment, so I don't really feel like trying to that study now though (and it wouldn't be in English anyway).

Personally, I am a little bit hesitant, but if it can be proven that a child growing up with parents of the same sex will have an equally good childhood as those coming from a "normal" family, then I do not see any problem with it.
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March 22, 2017, 09:52:25 PM
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Well, now look at it... gay people adopting babies thrown away by (presumably) straight people. Anyway, so there were actually studies and those found out that there were no negative effects? Good then. Orphans need families and allowing gay people increases the number of possible parents for them.

I think this became possible in Western countries because they got started with gay rights way earlier than others. Not sure if this tolerance will continue though, with right-wing leaders becoming more popular. This would take a long time to reach countries that currently don't allow same-sex unions. Probably at least 50 or so years after gay marriage is allowed would be the proper time to make adoption available, IMHO. That should allow time for some of the more bigoted in the population to die off first.

I really wouldn't suggest immediately allowing adoption right after same-sex marriage approval. The assholes might focus their anger on the kids instead (since they already failed to stop the parent marrying).

The main argue I've heard is that the child will fare badly as a result of it. Whether it is true or not is another question, but I think I saw a local study some time ago that gave that argument some credit. I'm on phone at the moment, so I don't really feel like trying to that study now though (and it wouldn't be in English anyway).

Personally, I am a little bit hesitant, but if it can be proven that a child growing up with parents of the same sex will have an equally good childhood as those coming from a "normal" family, then I do not see any problem with it.

The kids will only fare badly if the society their family belongs to look down on homosexual couples.

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March 22, 2017, 10:11:26 PM
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I am opposed to gay marriage, and especially allowing them to have children. It seems to me that homosexuality is a disease. If you allow these sick people to raise children they will grow up the same sick people.

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March 22, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
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A child needs money then love..If you have the 2 then all will be good with your child..

Now people could say love then money?..
Nappies clothes food shelter before love Wink

A child will suffer more because they are poor    than the parents being gay..

We in the UK don't care who your parents are as long as they hurt no one     and you are happy Grin

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March 22, 2017, 11:40:32 PM
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I'm not supporter of gays. But if we live in democracy, then ok, let it go - allow gay marriage.
But I'm strongly against that they would able to adopt kids. I try to explain why:
I predict that mostly gays are from western countries. There are still many kids who are growing without parents. If gays would have right to adopt kids, these kids growing in gay family can understand it as normal thing and and they can become to be gays. In mostly European countries more people die than born, so, growing amount of gays can have negative impact for country population in long term. But, it's only my conspiracy theory.
In other case, kids who are growing in gay family can be discriminated by other kids in school.

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March 22, 2017, 11:55:50 PM
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I predict that mostly gays are from western countries.

I think thats just because gay ppl in western countries are "visible" to others. In other countries gays don't tell that they are gay and live in a heterosexual relationship because they fear reprisals.

If gays would have right to adopt kids, these kids growing in gay family can understand it as normal thing and and they can become to be gays.

Science don't have a real answer to the question why and when someone become gay. But I don't think that more ppl will become gay because they have same sex parents. I mean most gay ppl were raised in heterosexual families Cheesy
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March 23, 2017, 12:06:13 AM
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In my opinion some countries are opposing same sex marriage because of their religion ,principles and their beliefs.
Even we living in democratic country they're are beliefs that we considered for.

                       
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March 23, 2017, 12:12:05 AM
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Science don't have a real answer to the question why and when someone become gay. But I don't think that more ppl will become gay because they have same sex parents. I mean most gay ppl were raised in heterosexual families Cheesy
Some people are born homosexual, others are turned into Homosexuality due to specific circumstances (like sexual abuse in childhood). I think it's possible for a child to believe that homosexuality is a very "normal" thing, if he/she was raised in a homosexual family. He/She might grow up bisexual, but also he/she might change his/her "attitude" because of what he/she was raised to see.

Oh by the way, science might have an answer why someone becomes gay:
http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html
www.sciencemag.org/.../homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna
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Science don't have a real answer to the question why and when someone become gay. But I don't think that more ppl will become gay because they have same sex parents. I mean most gay ppl were raised in heterosexual families Cheesy
Some people are born homosexual, others are turned into Homosexuality due to specific circumstances (like sexual abuse in childhood). I think it's possible for a child to believe that homosexuality is a very "normal" thing, if he/she was raised in a homosexual family. He/She might grow up bisexual, but also he/she might change his/her "attitude" because of what he/she was raised to see.

Oh by the way, science might have an answer why someone becomes gay:
http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html
www.sciencemag.org/.../homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna
Could you tell these chaps to stop abusing the children..

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March 23, 2017, 01:00:27 AM
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There are a lot of people now that are gay or bisexual, and I have nothing against them, just because they are like that doesn't mean they are not human. Because I see people treating gay people like there is some trash that is not worthy of living and I strongly oppose that. Personally, I don't like seeing the man to man action (girl to girl is okay because I'm a guy, maybe that's it) but I don't want them to be treated wrongly just because they are like that and they are true to themselves.

Adoption is never a bad thing, trying to help someone else's child and that's good for them, and they assist the kid whenever they can and whatever they can offer.
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In some other countries is legal. Yet, same-sex marriage continues to be a highly debated issue that leaves our society searching for answers. Many conservative groups do NOT agree with this decision.When a person thinks about marriage, they usually think of a man and a woman. With more and more people getting married, it is all opening the door to gay marriage. No matter whom the person is, or what sex they chose to marry they should be treated the same.While adoption is a way to provide parenting care to children whose biological mothers and fathers have no opportunities or wish to take care of them..
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I am against both gay marriage and adoption by gay couples. There is no meaning of performing a marriage for the gays, because they are not committed to their partners. An average homosexual (whether married or not) will be having dozens, if not hundreds of sexual partners every year. Marriage makes no difference to them. Also, gay foster-parents are much more likely to abuse children. Although they are less than 2% of the population, more than half of the sexual abuse against the children are done by the homosexuals.

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I am against the Hindus sleeping with the brothers and producing spastic children 
then my taxes are getting spent on Hindu spastic children Knowing quite well what would happen if they sleep with the brothers and first cousins ..You will most likely produce a spastic child ..
And i am the person who as to pay for it..

Now because of your dirty Hindu habits i suffer because my taxes go on paying your HINDU SPASTIC CHILD.
And most Hindus are on peanuts    they cost the me a lot in taxes to support SPASTIC HINDUS..

Now with gay people they are the inventors the creators the arts    computer scientist       geniuses
 THEY MAKE THINGS ..MAKE MONEY

A gay as cost me nothing except invented something that most people use or will use Wink..
SPASTIC HINDU   will invent nothing except take my taxes for a wheel chair..


A straight boy Hindu SLEEPS WITH THE SISTER..A GAY ONE SLEEPS WITH HIS BROTHER   Cheesy Cheesy.
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I am against the Hindus sleeping with the brothers and producing spastic children 
then my taxes are getting spent on Hindu spastic children Knowing quite well what would happen if they sleep with the brothers and first cousins ..You will most likely produce a spastic child ..
And i am the person who as to pay for it..

Now because of your dirty Hindu habits i suffer because my taxes go on paying your HINDU SPASTIC CHILD.
And most Hindus are on peanuts    they cost the me a lot in taxes to support SPASTIC HINDUS..

Now with gay people they are the inventors the creators the arts    computer scientist       geniuses
 THEY MAKE THINGS ..MAKE MONEY

A gay as cost me nothing except invented something that most people use or will use Wink..
SPASTIC HINDU   will invent nothing except take my taxes for a wheel chair..


A straight boy Hindu SLEEPS WITH THE SISTER..A GAY ONE SLEEPS WITH HIS BROTHER   Cheesy Cheesy.

You seems to be having an aversion to Hindus. Marriage to fist cousins is rare in Hinduism, and it is only practiced by isolated and small communities and sects. A lot of Muslim and Christian sects permit marriage to first cousins.

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I am against the Hindus sleeping with the brothers and producing spastic children  
then my taxes are getting spent on Hindu spastic children Knowing quite well what would happen if they sleep with the brothers and first cousins ..You will most likely produce a spastic child ..
And i am the person who as to pay for it..

Now because of your dirty Hindu habits i suffer because my taxes go on paying your HINDU SPASTIC CHILD.
And most Hindus are on peanuts    they cost the me a lot in taxes to support SPASTIC HINDUS..

Now with gay people they are the inventors the creators the arts    computer scientist       geniuses
 THEY MAKE THINGS ..MAKE MONEY

A gay as cost me nothing except invented something that most people use or will use Wink..
SPASTIC HINDU   will invent nothing except take my taxes for a wheel chair..


A straight boy Hindu SLEEPS WITH THE SISTER..A GAY ONE SLEEPS WITH HIS BROTHER   Cheesy Cheesy.

You seems to be having an aversion to Hindus. Marriage to fist cousins is rare in Hinduism, and it is only practiced by isolated and small communities and sects. A lot of Muslim and Christian sects permit marriage to first cousins.
You seems to be having an aversion to gays  FIRST. Wink
Quite common in the uk for a spastic Hindu .

It's time to confront this taboo: First cousin marriages in Muslim ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Its-time-confront-taboo-First-cousin-marriages-Muslim-com...
3 Jun 2011 - Bradford's St Luke's Hospital has seen an extraordinary rise in the ... The children are born disabled and it must cost the NHS millions of ..


COST THE  NHS  MILLIONS  MY TAXES..

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16 Nov 2005 - Incest is illegal in most societies. ... Yes, this is a great strain on the NHS but can also adversely affect actual lives as ... With the average age of marriage rising, rising divorce rates and .... Hindus also marry their first cousins.
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March 23, 2017, 05:42:26 AM
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For me Gay Marriage is a violation of moral rights and a violation of God's commandment. We cannot equate same sex relationship with relationship of different race or people age. It is different, its like equating weight with length.

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March 23, 2017, 05:49:10 AM
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The main argue I've heard is that the child will fare badly as a result of it. Whether it is true or not is another question, but I think I saw a local study some time ago that gave that argument some credit. I'm on phone at the moment, so I don't really feel like trying to that study now though (and it wouldn't be in English anyway).

Personally, I am a little bit hesitant, but if it can be proven that a child growing up with parents of the same sex will have an equally good childhood as those coming from a "normal" family, then I do not see any problem with it.

The kids will only fare badly if the society their family belongs to look down on homosexual couples.

Yes, that is entirely true and I think that is the main issue. It is, however, a reality in many places of the world. And while it is indeed bad to punish gay people for other people's wrongdoings, the question remains whether or not we should expose the children to the prejudice and perhaps in some cases bullying that could come with having with having same sex parents.
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March 23, 2017, 05:51:08 AM
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I am against both gay marriage and adoption by gay couples. There is no meaning of performing a marriage for the gays, because they are not committed to their partners. An average homosexual (whether married or not) will be having dozens, if not hundreds of sexual partners every year. Marriage makes no difference to them. Also, gay foster-parents are much more likely to abuse children. Although they are less than 2% of the population, more than half of the sexual abuse against the children are done by the homosexuals.

Have you got any source on those statements?
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March 23, 2017, 06:30:22 AM
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I am against the Hindus sleeping with the brothers and producing spastic children 
then my taxes are getting spent on Hindu spastic children Knowing quite well what would happen if they sleep with the brothers and first cousins ..You will most likely produce a spastic child ..
And i am the person who as to pay for it..

Now because of your dirty Hindu habits i suffer because my taxes go on paying your HINDU SPASTIC CHILD.
And most Hindus are on peanuts    they cost the me a lot in taxes to support SPASTIC HINDUS..

Now with gay people they are the inventors the creators the arts    computer scientist       geniuses
 THEY MAKE THINGS ..MAKE MONEY

A gay as cost me nothing except invented something that most people use or will use Wink..
SPASTIC HINDU   will invent nothing except take my taxes for a wheel chair..


A straight boy Hindu SLEEPS WITH THE SISTER..A GAY ONE SLEEPS WITH HIS BROTHER   Cheesy Cheesy.

You seems to be having an aversion to Hindus. Marriage to fist cousins is rare in Hinduism, and it is only practiced by isolated and small communities and sects. A lot of Muslim and Christian sects permit marriage to first cousins.

For real? Aren't there restrictions in the law on marriage among closely-related individuals? I mean, I live in a Catholic-majority country and  the law against incest applies to relative up to the 3rd degree. I've never heard anyone trying to make exemptions based on religion. The only group that tend to cite religion for marriage exemptions, Muslim, usually use it to be allowed to marry minors rather than relatives.

I am against both gay marriage and adoption by gay couples. There is no meaning of performing a marriage for the gays, because they are not committed to their partners. An average homosexual (whether married or not) will be having dozens, if not hundreds of sexual partners every year. Marriage makes no difference to them. Also, gay foster-parents are much more likely to abuse children. Although they are less than 2% of the population, more than half of the sexual abuse against the children are done by the homosexuals.

Have you got any source on those statements?

This is like saying you won't trust your son to a gay pediatrician but you wouldn't have problems with a male gynecologist probing your wife's vagina. Your argument about multiple partners usually apply to those who have no chance of being able to marry in their country. As for extra-marital sex, it's not like straight people do not do it. Gays just tend to be more visible because they're quite open to talking about sex.  Half off all child sexual abuse are committed by homosexuals? Which study are you citing?


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