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March 23, 2017, 02:57:08 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...
Satoshi Nakamoto was disappear from activity related bitcoin
so the future of bitcoin is depend on us as comunity of bitcoin,
all of us has responsibility about bitcoin and what will makes more
better for bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto had finished his Jobs as founder
of digital currency in internet.
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March 23, 2017, 02:59:52 PM
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I don't think his appearance or input will do much to the current situations we are facing as the politicians and those politicking with the choice of solution will play around his stance and we will not get anywhere like they are doing. Even if he drops a voice audio they'd compel him to reveal more of himself by denying he's truly satoshi, so I think he should keep to his corner and let them do the politics, it will serve him better.



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March 23, 2017, 03:56:35 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...

Satoshi already said he didn't want his software forked:

A second version would be a massive development and maintenance hassle for me.  It's hard enough maintaining backward compatibility while upgrading the network without a second version locking things in.  If the second version screwed up, the user experience would reflect badly on both, although it would at least reinforce to users the importance of staying with the official version.  If someone was getting ready to fork a second version, I would have to air a lot of disclaimers about the risks of using a minority version.  This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version and I'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version.

I know, most developers don't like their software forked, but I have real technical reasons in this case.

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.  Because of that, I wanted to design it to support every possible transaction type I could think of.  The problem was, each thing required special support code and data fields whether it was used or not, and only covered one special case at a time.  It would have been an explosion of special cases.  The solution was script, which generalizes the problem so transacting parties can describe their transaction as a predicate that the node network evaluates.  The nodes only need to understand the transaction to the extent of evaluating whether the sender's conditions are met.

The script is actually a predicate.  It's just an equation that evaluates to true or false.  Predicate is a long and unfamiliar word so I called it script.

The receiver of a payment does a template match on the script.  Currently, receivers only accept two templates: direct payment and bitcoin address.  Future versions can add templates for more transaction types and nodes running that version or higher will be able to receive them.  All versions of nodes in the network can verify and process any new transactions into blocks, even though they may not know how to read them.

The design supports a tremendous variety of possible transaction types that I designed years ago.  Escrow transactions, bonded contracts, third party arbitration, multi-party signature, etc.  If Bitcoin catches on in a big way, these are things we'll want to explore in the future, but they all had to be designed at the beginning to make sure they would be possible later.

I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea.  So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network.
  The MIT license is compatible with all other licenses and commercial uses, so there is no need to rewrite it from a licensing standpoint.

BU = menace to the network. So yeah there you have it.

This is your answer right here! Satoshi really did oppose this idea long before it was realized like how it is today. However, I really feel that maybe satoshi will have a different opinion now compared to what he had before when he posted all these. At the time he expressed his opinion it was a very different time back then compared to today. In those times bitcoin transactions didn't come as many as today and the size of the transactions weren't the same as well. Also, fees were quite different too.

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March 23, 2017, 04:04:51 PM
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Satoshi may have opposed forks but that doesn't reflect what his opinion on block size would be - where there is clear indication he wanted it to grow. Namely posts he made right here on this very forum.

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March 23, 2017, 04:24:19 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...

There are some programmers who have commented on this forum telling the community that Satoshi had actually programmed bitcoin blocks to increase but it was not followed and miners had followed other ways to increase blocksize. I am not sure if that post was legit but if that was true then probably satoshi was just watching from the corner and is selling his bitcoins one at a time.
Probably the same people trying to fork and split the network in half were the ones killed Satoshi while he was sleep Cheesy the window for him to show up and express his opinion about BU/SW and other versions and proposals is closing, bitcoin is on the brink of total manipulation and destruction will definitely follow. if he wanted that only his version dominate the network then he should've stayed and kept working on development, and if he doesn't show up 24 hours prior to the successful hard fork(hostile take over) then he is really dead indeed.

P.s, none of his coins ever been spent dude one at a time lol.
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March 23, 2017, 04:33:35 PM
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Satoshi already left us with something beautiful and thriving. It is on us now if we choose to let it grow or let it die. BU or Segwit, hard or soft fork, it is for us to decide. Satoshi has already done enough and we should just let him be.

You got the point mate. Satoshi already started it, its for us to decide what the future would be for bitcoin. If he is alive, he wouldn't comment on anything. He will just another observant or follower from the outside who will just sit watching the disagreement and just shaking his head. He already gave us a gift, we should not let bitcoin or his effort went out for nothing.



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March 23, 2017, 04:34:45 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...

Hi!  Smiley
Well, Satoshi wrote: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.
Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf)

My opinion:
Technical Arguments: He wrote all the process in his documents and developers understood it.
Philosophy/Social: People can understand what they want, but if a lot of people want to understand like a "modus vivendi" it's only an option.
I think this option includes the following questions: His identity is not important because what part of a "Peer-to-peer" you didn’t understand?  What part of a "decentralized" you didn’t understand?

In my opinion I think the worst thing that could be happen is that BU is only a possible prelude of a "private network" and a prelude of a way for patents registered. I am studying about that, It’s only an idea that fly around me and only an opinion without arguments yet.
I think Satoshi is only an abstract or physical node in the network now. It will be cool read him if he is alive or active. I can understand you if you are a developer and need a leader for the way of the project… but like a live philosophy, we can live without Satoshi although clapping his contribuition.

Not worry about Satoshi, If he wants to say something, he will do. Like all of us.
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March 23, 2017, 05:03:42 PM
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In my opinion I think the worst thing that could be happen is that BU is only a possible prelude of a "private network" and a prelude of a way for patents registered.

Not sure how BU could be a prelude for patents registered since prior art clearly exists.

However Blockstream has not only filed for numerous patents but has the financial backing of companies that expect to profit from those patents.

It is the second-layer networks that are the prelude to the bitcoin patent wars.

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March 23, 2017, 05:16:15 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...

i think satoshi went away because he don't want a central figure for bitcoin, he want bitcoin to be decentralized, other say that he is dead, i don't know which is true, but we don't need satoshi to decide, because bitcoin is based on consensus mechanic, and the most important are miners and buyers which make the value of bitcoin
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March 23, 2017, 05:22:10 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...
-> Satoshi will never come online because that may lead to chaos on bitcoin market.

-> Miners and node operator's voice are more important than satoshi's at current situation.

-> I don't think he have left bitcoin because he don't care about his most innovative product, there is high chance that he have already died.

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March 23, 2017, 05:23:22 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...
-> Satoshi will never come online because that may lead to chaos on bitcoin market.

-> Miners and node operator's voice are more important than satoshi's at current situation.

-> I don't think he have left bitcoin because he don't care about his most innovative product, there is high chance that he have already died.

satoshi is very much alive. he is now a president ha!

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Satoshi died

RIP Satoshi

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March 23, 2017, 06:08:07 PM
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Satoshi quotes supporting big blocks and miners deciding on blocksize:

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If the network were to get that big, it would take several years, and by then, sending 2 HD movies over the Internet would probably not seem like a big deal.

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In a few decades when the reward gets too small, the transaction fee will become the main compensation for nodes. I'm sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume.

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It can be phased in, like:
if (blocknumber > 115000)
maxblocksize = largerlimit

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They vote with their CPU power, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them.  Any needed rules and incentives can be enforced with this consensus mechanism

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March 23, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
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I think Satoshi would like us to decide for ourselves, he has done his part by giving Bitcoin to us. Since we benefit so much from bitcoin, we should nurture and make bitcoin better. We cannot control the thoughts of other people regarding bitcoin, we just have our own POV about the welfare of bitcoin.

If for instance that Satoshi give his thoughts about bitcoin today, don't you think that this will affect everything? If Satoshi supports hard fork, then a majority of bitcoin user might support hard fork,too. And if this happens, decentralization image of bitcoin may be somewhat be breached. Others may think that Satoshi controls bitcoin. Well these are all big IFs.

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March 23, 2017, 06:43:48 PM
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Allow me to call Nakamoto Satoshi him, because we all do not know him well, he can be anyone, maybe a person, a group or an organization. He creates bitcoins for trading purposes, so it's not his own money, so he can not make any decisions as he can not get it. The things we know about him are our respect. A great man And with the number of people wanting BTU at the moment, I think he can not do anything else, everything comes from people. The decision does not belong to him. But I think his opinion will tell us what is the right direction, and we can choose easily.
No one is expecting him to come and reveal his identity,but if he is to come up with a sign in message and reveal what his opinion is regarding the fork will have some weight age than the rest of the opinion. He does have the authority because the man behind the technology single handily wrote the entire code and he does have a solution for the current issue because he is a visionary and he might have anticipated this situation and i am sure he will have a answer for that.

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March 23, 2017, 06:51:46 PM
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Satoshi Says:


I think it is terrible - it means that they have learnt nothing. They will blindly follow authority, not facts... how is that good. Please do tell them that.

If they choose to follow rhetoric and lies and not check the truth, then I want to have nothing to do with them.

I will compete. I will see if my way, brutal economic competition or my opposition, "fairness" wins in the end.

" The longest chain not only serves as proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest pool of CPU power. "

Not One Man, but one CPU - one Vote!

How do you know he said this if he is an anonymous person?

How to know exactly if these words are legit?

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March 23, 2017, 07:01:51 PM
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Why do you think he hasn't given any opinion? Of course he has, you just don't know.
If we don't know then from any relevant perspective, he hasn't given his opinion.

Satoshi has basically vanished - it could be because he's busy living his wildest dreams with his thousands of Bitcoin, it could be because he's worried about revealing anything about himself from the fear of getting his identity discovered or it could even be because he's working on new projects.

All people can do is meaninglessly speculate about what Satoshi might have thought or what he said about things in the past that he might not still believe today.

The problem with the OP's post though is that Satoshi is not a mystical god-like figure who can just decide where Bitcoin goes.  There is legitimate opinion on either side and if Satoshi said for example that he supported Core, any BU supporters could continue arguing as they do with any other Core supporter and there would be no reason why Satoshi's view is entirely superior.
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March 23, 2017, 07:03:37 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...

This is what I think: if Satoshi set this whole project up for academic reasons and he wasn't motivated by financial rewards, then he would gain more by not interfering.  It seems as though financial reward isn't what motivated Satoshi because none of his coin have been exchanged. So, Sathoshi is just lying back and objectively watching how the experiment develops for academic gain as opposed to financial reward.

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March 23, 2017, 07:14:37 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...

The reality is that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Satoshi is dead. Logic dictates that the reason why Satoshi won't give his opinion on current Bitcoin affairs is, because there is no way of him doing so credibly and remaining anonymous, which was his original intention.

Now that Bitmain is signaling SegWit on LTC, they need to do the same for BTC
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March 23, 2017, 07:26:51 PM
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Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...
-> Satoshi will never come online because that may lead to chaos on bitcoin market.

Yeah, his "worth" in Bitcoin is substantial but if any UTXOs we know are his hit the market, there will be panic and dumping.

Must be frustrating to have substantial value that does not exist because if you spent even a little, it's worth is gone.

I hereby reserve the right to sometimes be wrong
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