Russian Protests

[StefanReed]

I am disappointed no tits were involved.

Someone should have called pussy riot.

You, good sir, get the cookie for the day.


Notice how the GOP has been pushing for legislature that makes protesting illegal (in varying degrees). Corporate America is not digging the protest scene at the moment (the pipeline shit really bigged down the profits a few quarters, instead of a.pipe, they got litigation and bad PR). This is where we will be, eventually, becuase apparently now we idolize Russia.

On a related note, why are so many Russian diplomats connected with the Trump dossier, suddenly dying?

Look it up/I shit you not.

In any dictatorship there is a risk that primarily affects those who blindly executes orders of the dictator. He's afraid that once he loses power it could collapse a fair trial. Putin always kills all witnesses to their crimes.

[bryant.coleman]

In any dictatorship there is a risk that primarily affects those who blindly executes orders of the dictator. He's afraid that once he loses power it could collapse a fair trial. Putin always kills all witnesses to their crimes.

Putin's most fierce critic (Alexei Anatolievich Navalny) is well alive after decades of political activism. Till now, there hasn't been even an attempted murder against him. I have a feeling that many of Putin's critics are being murdered by the CIA, so that they could blame Putin for their murders. BTW... have you forgot about all those people killed by the Clinton crime family? Ever heard about the Clinton body count?

[Alexzap]

In any dictatorship there is a risk that primarily affects those who blindly executes orders of the dictator. He's afraid that once he loses power it could collapse a fair trial. Putin always kills all witnesses to their crimes.

Putin's most fierce critic (Alexei Anatolievich Navalny) is well alive after decades of political activism. Till now, there hasn't been even an attempted murder against him. I have a feeling that many of Putin's critics are being murdered by the CIA, so that they could blame Putin for their murders. BTW... have you forgot about all those people killed by the Clinton crime family? Ever heard about the Clinton body count?

I have not heard anything about Clinton dead bodies. About Putin-the corpses I hear very often. As for Bulk, I'm sure that he is a puppet of Putin. It is for this reason he is alive and living in very poor conditions. That is why in Russia there is no United opposition.

[Lancusters]

It's all nonsense. Know why Ukraine won a protest, but in Russia don't win? Because in Ukraine the cops would arrest a man in the crowd. The protesters fought for everyone. And the cops could not come to dissatisfied. In Russia, everything is different. Nobody beats with the cops. Cowards don't deserve to win.

Maydan sponsored Poroshenko (tent, food etc.)
On the Maidan there were many well-trained people among the protesters(Veterans of the Afghan war, Former police officers,Former military, right sector )
also in Ukraine there are independent media

In Russia there are no such protesters
So they will not resist the police

I'm not sure that Maidan was sponsored Poroshenko. He cling to the Maidan after it became evident that there was a chance of his victory. This greedy people just took advantage of the victory of the Maidan. If you remember the beginning of the Maidan was sponsored by politicians and the protesters did not want to have anything to do with politicians. Remember in the beginning there was two Maidan.

[LTU_btc]

These protests wasn't big and can't be compared with protest in 2011 for example. Now only 60k people in 82 cities participated in these protests. Main organizer of protests - Alexey Navalnyj was arrested for 15 days. Few weeks ago he released documentary movie about corruption of Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qrwlk7_GF9g

[PeterTheGrape]

These protests wasn't big and can't be compared with protest in 2011 for example. Now only 60k people in 82 cities participated in these protests. Main organizer of protests - Alexey Navalnyj was arrested for 15 days. Few weeks ago he released documentary movie about corruption of Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qrwlk7_GF9g

WTF
A Russian language youtube video with 13,298,580 views and 430,000 vs 30,000 thumbs?
Western media is ignoring something.

[coolcoinz]

These protests wasn't big and can't be compared with protest in 2011 for example. Now only 60k people in 82 cities participated in these protests. Main organizer of protests - Alexey Navalnyj was arrested for 15 days. Few weeks ago he released documentary movie about corruption of Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qrwlk7_GF9g

You have a different opinion, you get arrested. How typical of fake democracy. In some countries only the people change but the system and corruption remain the same.
The Prime Minister and former President is Putin's puppet. Putin needed a break in his presidency, so he gave power to Medvedev for one term and took it back soon after, giving Medvedev a position in the parliament in exchange.

[Sithara007]

These protests wasn't big and can't be compared with protest in 2011 for example. Now only 60k people in 82 cities participated in these protests. Main organizer of protests - Alexey Navalnyj was arrested for 15 days. Few weeks ago he released documentary movie about corruption of Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qrwlk7_GF9g

The anti-establishment sentiment has somewhat dimmed in Russia, thanks to the sanctions imposed by the Western nations. The people are angry with the US and the EU, and they are rallying behind Putin.

[Mometaskers]

It's all nonsense. Know why Ukraine won a protest, but in Russia don't win? Because in Ukraine the cops would arrest a man in the crowd. The protesters fought for everyone. And the cops could not come to dissatisfied. In Russia, everything is different. Nobody beats with the cops. Cowards don't deserve to win.

@Barrymore was also surprised they didn't go after the cops. Here the Philippines cops TAKE a beating when they try to beat up protesters. Maybe they're not angry enough?

I didn't understand well the point. In many countries there are a lot of people serving long prison sentences for 'resisting' the police. There is not really a smart way to fight in the short term because you just go to jail for a long time. In the United States there are literally tens of thousands of people who would have gotten little or no jail, but because they opposed some aspect of gangsterism the hammer came down on them.

Look at

Leonard Peltier, a Native who was put in jail basically because he didn't take shit. http://www.freeleonard.org/case/ If a Native in the United States gets at all uppity he will find himself in jail.

Aaron Swartz, a computer expert who invented some of the cutting edge technology we still use, hacked a library database to give students a full discount so they could research easily, the federal police told him cooperate or die in prison. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/technology/aaron-swartz-internet-activist-dies-at-26.html If he had not been hounded to death cryptocurrency would probably have had his fingerprints much more clearly.

To see examples how the U.S. neutralizes protesters look at some of the black panthers and similar types swept into prison on dubious evidence during the FBI Cointelpro days

http://veronza.org/

https://russellmaroonshoats.wordpress.com/

http://www.freejalil.com/

http://www.sundiataacoli.org/

Some of those people may be guilty, I have no idea, but all of them are in jail not because of whatever crime they may have commited but because they are 'protesters'.

Look what happened to this poor old crackpot back when there was no internet and people couldn't set up countermeasures http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-flint-taylor/the-fbi-cointelpro-progra_b_4375527.html

Did that program get exposed because one of the thousands of fbi agents involved had a conscience? Uh no.

"The first documentation ... surfaced in March of 1971 when the Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI broke into a small FBI office in Media Pennsylvania and expropriated over 1000 FBI documents."

 

Most protests here where they beat up police have hundred of participants that it's hard to arrest everyone who abused the police. Well, besides despite our president's ever increasing authoritarian leanings the media here is still active in hounding the gov't for any perceived slight that things like this wouldn't go unnoticed.

[PeterTheGrape]

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Most protests here where they beat up police have hundred of participants that it's hard to arrest everyone who abused the police. Well, besides despite our president's ever increasing authoritarian leanings the media here is still active in hounding the gov't for any perceived slight that things like this wouldn't go unnoticed.

The Philippines does not really jail too many people compared to the U.S.

Your incarceration rate is 140 people per 100,000, the U.S. rate is 693 or so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Some sources put the U.S. at 666   http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison_population_rate?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All

In the U.S. there are two very distinct groups.

a) The appeasers who defend the police no matter what they do. The police in the U.S. can claim a quadraplegic in a wheelchair threatened them with a sharp object so they had to shoot him, and loads of people will cover the comments sections of newspapers to support the killing.

note, I looked on Google for the police shooting of a man in a wheelchair that occurred near a place I lived several years ago and cannot find it on Google!

The main case you see of police shooting a guy in a wheelchair on Google is an armed black guy in a wheelchair in Delaware. Most U.S. sites paint the shooting as justified, for a more civilized view you have to go to British tabloids http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-wheelchair-shot-dead-police-6510432

Another one here http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2009/11/24/man-in-wheelchair-shot-by-police

And here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/brian-claunch-houston-shot-matthew-marin-police-cleared-disabled-amputee_n_4218889.html discussed in some depth at http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/investigations/item/Bulletproof-Part-1-Unarmed-and-Dangerous-24419.php

Look at this incident in which a person in a wheelchair was charged with assaulting a police officer, charges were dropped because of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvU5uO_cDoo

When the police are dealing with an adult man they keep their distance generally, but when they are dealing with a person in a wheelchair or a child or a woman they become aggressive, and there are lots of Americans who support that kind of cowardly behavior because they don't want to be on the wrong side of a powerful gang.

b) The second big group is people who just don't want to get involved because there is no way to win. If you know something or see something involving police it is risky to go public because police do target potential threats to their image.

In the Philippines if you see a policeman commit a crime and you complain you might get a beating. In the U.S. you could face much more, especially if you are a minority or otherwise vulnerable.

[Sithara007]

a) The appeasers who defend the police no matter what they do. The police in the U.S. can claim a quadraplegic in a wheelchair threatened them with a sharp object so they had to shoot him, and loads of people will cover the comments sections of newspapers to support the killing.

Don't go overboard. No one will defend a cop, who shoots an unarmed disabled man. That said, I will not support the individual if he is armed and is threatening the policemen. Because the firearm can be used by the normal people as well as by the disabled ones. It is a deadly weapon, even in the hands of a blind person.

[Mometaskers]

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In the Philippines if you see a policeman commit a crime and you complain you might get a beating. In the U.S. you could face much more, especially if you are a minority or otherwise vulnerable.

I guess the difference here is that the police here don't really have a sparkling reputation to begin. Now add to that the general skepticism towards public servants and you have a population that either fear or hate the police but don't love them enough. When there's a confrontation between an individual and the police, people would automatically assume the police must have done something wrong or at least overreacted to the situation. Same with road rage incidents between rich and poor. If the video is insufficient to show who was in the wrong, people would assume it was the rich guy.

[21kevin21]

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In the Philippines if you see a policeman commit a crime and you complain you might get a beating. In the U.S. you could face much more, especially if you are a minority or otherwise vulnerable.

I guess the difference here is that the police here don't really have a sparkling reputation to begin. Now add to that the general skepticism towards public servants and you have a population that either fear or hate the police but don't love them enough. When there's a confrontation between an individual and the police, people would automatically assume the police must have done something wrong or at least overreacted to the situation. Same with road rage incidents between rich and poor. If the video is insufficient to show who was in the wrong, people would assume it was the rich guy.

In Russia, police and people are not compatible. There the police are in the service of the government, and not of the citizens of the country, therefore any action of the population will be met by opposition from the police.

[Sithara007]

In Russia, police and people are not compatible. There the police are in the service of the government, and not of the citizens of the country, therefore any action of the population will be met by opposition from the police.

I have heard horror stories about policemen from most of the ex-USSR states, such as Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. Large number of police officers in these nations are corrupt, and they are even willing to kill you if you don't pay bribes. But at times, they provoke backlash from the people. An example here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11829793

[PeterTheGrape]

...In Russia, police and people are not compatible. There the police are in the service of the government, and not of the citizens of the country, therefore any action of the population will be met by opposition from the police.

That is getting close to the core of the problem with police.

Police are given money to do what normal people in a decent society should do for free.

But money isn't enough, they demand to be respected for being paid for that 'work', and then they abuse their privileges to the extreme and demand to not have to pay the same price for crimes as others, all while strutting and whining that they are brave servants held to some high standard.

But the problem is that they are not a separate species, not a type of vermin that comes from elsewhere. The truth is, and it has been proven again and again, if you give a young guy a badge and a gun he is going to have fun with it. It doesn't matter rich or poor, black or white, give a 20 year old guy a gun and badge and the majority will turn gangster unless there is very harsh accountability to balance the phony respect.

It is a good thing to hire defective people as cops, as is done in the United States, so people do not have illusions that cops are really better. But if you are going to put a massive number of defective douche punks into a job you should give them what they need to succeed, and that is strict accountability. It lis better for them and for society to hold cops accountable at least to the same degree as others, something which has never been tried before in the United States at least.

[Idrisu]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-protest-against-corruption-russian-130148697.html

This video shows a massive number of people protesting corruption in Russia.

One guy holds up a sign that says Putin666 and a couple of cops rush him and drag him off, probably to get a beating.

putin666 this got me laughter how can Putin be 666. 666 is going to be a world system were the idea will be sold to men from the religious leaders and men will live the right way of worship through God and following men teaching. I think the guy that carry that sign need that beaten.

[JengoFF_n0]

The fight against corruption is a huge problem in many countries. Ordinary people who went to the rally can not overcome all corruption, it is necessary that someone stronger come to power and develop a full-fledged scheme for fighting corruption. Although I would not be surprised if someone paid money to these people so that they went to protest

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Ordinary people who went to the rally can not overcome all corruption, it is necessary that someone stronger come to power and develop a full-fledged scheme for fighting corruption.

Putting the billboard with name of "Putin 666" written not in Russian is a direct example of
the "proof" how "good" the money are spended on the front of "sponsors".

What will thinking someone if will check billboard not in English on similar mob in USA?

[Jonar21]

Ordinary people who went to the rally can not overcome all corruption, it is necessary that someone stronger come to power and develop a full-fledged scheme for fighting corruption.

Putting the billboard with name of "Putin 666" written not in Russian is a direct example of
the "proof" how "good" the money are spended on the front of "sponsors".

What will thinking someone if will check billboard not in English on similar mob in USA?

Do you think that propaganda is being conducted in America against Putin's policy? Perhaps this is too obvious or am I mistaken?

[Lieldoryn]

Why only the Americans? The whole world knows that Putin .... Remember the famous song? There are certainly politicians who praise Putin, but it's paid trolls who betrayed their country. I hope these traitors will not be able to harm their countries and soon we will witness the fall of the power of a bloody dictator Putin.