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April 02, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
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April 03, 2017, 12:14:50 AM
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I'd say probably not. It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars to just roll out a simple mining ASIC or even FPGA; it will most likely not be worth doing something like creating an ASIC if you don't have that sort of capital. There's probably a reason why those tools are so expensive.

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April 03, 2017, 06:24:14 PM
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Web links to the free tools are included in the references of the textbooks about ASIC design. Every textbook author has their own preferred toolchain that he/she will use. There's no point in trying to use anything else unless you are already very advanced.

Additionally, there's no point in using design tools without access to the models of the actual semiconductor devices that would be laid out. And those models are always secret and proprietary, even for the old, obsolete processes. Nowadays even the intentionally fake, unrealistic models are kept secret by their authors, because those fake models are typically used for grading homework of the students of ASIC design.

Basically you have two options:

1) if you have some formal engineering background education, enroll or at least audition an university level course in your nearest college. They always have free access to all the required design software for their students.

2) if you are autodidact, buy a cheap FPGA design kit. They always come with one seat free license to an almost full design toolchain that is chip-limited to whatever is on your experimental board. Playing with that you will quickly learn whether you have what it takes, or if you are just another wannabe.

You don't have to spend any significant money if you affiliate yourself with some educational or research institution. The "over 100k$" prices are only for for-profit commercial entities, not for amateur dabbler as yourself.


Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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June 14, 2017, 04:33:07 PM
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Even the 10+ year old books will help you formulate your thoughts better. You seem to be either native English speaker or at least have long experience in English. Yet you've used the phrase "integrated dynamic memory matrix" which for me made you sound like a crackpot. Why would "idea" be a "dynamic memory device"?

Please don't immediately get offended by my use of the word crackpot. Here is a better explanation of crackpots in physics:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

There's no ready-made crackpot index for microelectronics and ASIC design field, you'll have to use your intelligence to apply it to yourself and your chosen field of endeavor.

Anyway your "integrated dynamic memory matrix" is called eDRAM. First result in my Google search for "FPGA eDRAM" explains why it isn't some panacea to everybody's problems:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/intelaltera-brings-fpga-to-xeon-broadwell-chip/msg896237/#msg896237

Our initial conversation was in early April. Couple of weeks later Amazon announced that their EC2 FPGA instances are generally available for rent.

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/ec2-f1-instances-with-fpgas-now-generally-available/

What's wrong with prototyping your "idea" on one of those? Why can't you use Intel Quick Path Interconeect to at least approximate eDRAM?

I already answered your further questions from the today's message of yours. If you want me to reword my advice to match your reworded question it will be: the free advice you'll get will be worth every penny you've paid for it. Now that you've mentioned a "business expert" and the need of secrecy to protect your "idea" it all begins to look very much like a version of some "long con" updated for the XXI century.

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Story-Confidence-Man/dp/0385495382

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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June 14, 2017, 05:21:46 PM
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You can probably work on design for FPGA's for free. I have a student license of Vivado for VHDL/Verilog. It allows for synthesis, analysis, and deployment to certain boards.

ASICs are another step trickier. I would think that you can't actually manufacture a chip without paying some huge cost. For commercial applications, I think you would need to pay for some licensing.

Given the costs involved, practicing core design on FPGA's might allow a stepping stone to where you want to be.

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June 14, 2017, 11:21:56 PM
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Well, Andrew, you can congratulate your English teacher, you've fooled me (and at least one other person) into thinking that you are at least fluent English writer even if not a good English reader. I apologize I made certain incorrect assumptions about your goals, but you've provided very little information about yourself or your dream project http://rpcdram.com/ .

I believe that before anyone can help you'll need to answer a number of questions:

1) Are you a young person or are you already a mature person looking for a change in life?
2) What can you say about your educational background? How did you found yourself in a situation where the school didn't provide you with the basic knowledge in the field you have so much interest in?
3) Please read http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html and describe to us why you feel that you are different from Arthur T. Murray?

I think I can feel your pain, but please help us help you.

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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June 15, 2017, 04:22:27 PM
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If you are an autodidact in English that's even better. It mean that you yourselves as your own teacher are very intelligent and very effective. The communication barrier you are experiencing has nothing to do with your language skills. It stems from the fact that you concoct a fake reality where you believe that you have some skills, discovered profitable market segments and could achieve certain business success. But people sooner or later see through your lies and you start getting ignored. That in turn makes you angry and you redouble in your lies until you are getting lost in them.

What I would suggest is to see the movie "A Beautiful Mind" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/ . It is loosely based on life of John Nash. The key takeaway for you is to see how he used his intelligence (not medications) to to cure himself from his psychological problem, to build up his mental strength to be brave enough and ask other people whether they see the people he had seen (that was in the movie, in reality he only hear voices, but that would be hard to show in a film.)

What you could do is to put your dream project on hold. Find something that would be still interesting to you and immediately useful to somebody else. "Somebody" means here both a person and an existing company that needs help in developing their own ideas. Use that to build up your own real experience and real business development skills. Your own current argumentation for your dream project could be summed up: "During a hurricane even pigs could fly."

Note to the moderators:

This thread has nothing to do with Bitcoin mining, not even the mining of altcoins. As such it should probably belong in the off-topic sub-forum. But you can leave it here if you think some reader could use the links I provided to learn something about developing and prototyping custom mining hardware.

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
Long-term mining prognosis: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91101.0
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