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Author Topic: 2013-04-23 Ron Paul slams stability of U.S. dollar and Bitcoin in pro-gold rant  (Read 2154 times)
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April 24, 2013, 03:14:43 PM
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I created a public response to Dr. Paul.  Here it is.  I would be really happy if he could see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDyD-cmSD50

Excellent video Mike, but there is one thing that you might be able to improve on your identity+rock=realestate_owner analogy.  You said that no society would ever do this, but once upon a time, the British had a system of sovernign gold debt using sticks.  What they would do is when the king/government desired to borrow gold (usually to fight a war) he would require that goldmongers (early bankers) exchange the gold for a stick that has been etched on both ends with the debt amount, and then broken in half.  The treasury kept the long end, and the "lender" kept the short end as the record of the "exchange".  Theoretically, anyone who had the short end of the stick could come to the treasury in London after the repay date and claim the gold in deposit by matching up the broken ends of the stick.  In practice, the king just declared ursury illegal and ordered the treasury sticks burned.

But a society would, indeed, do something like this.

EDIT:  BTW, that is where we get the term, "left holding the short end of the stick".

EDIT:  Any gold bug worth his salt, and  particularly Ron Paul himself, should know this history, BTW. 

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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April 25, 2013, 03:36:20 AM
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A better analogy would be a deed, actually. It is a piece of paper that can fit in your pocket (Casascius coin, private key) granting a privilege (a claim to some value of bitcoins held at a public key) to an owner (you) that has a record of ownership (transactions). It's the best analogy I can think of, actually.

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April 25, 2013, 04:48:31 PM
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Although I agree with his views, Bitcoin has made me realize how difficult it is to use PM's as an actual currency, even without government suppression.

That's not right. You  are mixing up money and payment mechanisms. Most payments in the 19th century did not involve bags of gold changing hands anymore than most payments in the 20th century involve bags of cash changing hands. It is just as easy in principle to have a bank account denominated  in gold as it is to have an account denominated in dollars.
 
Of course BTC has the great advantage of having its own built-in payment mechanism. That gives it an advantage over both gold and fiat, but given the choice between gold and fiat, gold wins every time.

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April 26, 2013, 03:06:02 PM
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I created a public response to Dr. Paul.  Here it is.  I would be really happy if he could see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDyD-cmSD50

Nice video, thanks.
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