The thing that will make BTC Skyrocket...

[BTC-Joe]

Simply put: online gambling. Ever since the USA banned online gambling with real money the industry has been biding its time, waiting for a new way to get people playing again. Bitcoins are the perfect currency for online gambling and with people using BTC as poker chips, they'd convert regular currency to BTC and leave it and rather than cash it out. The "casinos" would operate most optimally if they stick to a pure BTC economy, rather than attempting to sell their earnings. Being "bitcoin rich" could actually be a good thing.

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[myrkul]

This was literally the first thing done.

Check out http://probiwon.com/

for an example.

So, You're right, but not really to original.

[bitty]

This was literally the first thing done.

Check out http://probiwon.com/

for an example.

So, You're right, but not really to original.

We need real gambling games like poker, not whatever the hell that is.

[BTC-Joe]

This was literally the first thing done.

Check out http://probiwon.com/

for an example.

So, You're right, but not really to original.

I'm talking about things like poker, craps, blackjack...i.e. casino style gambling. Lotteries are nice and all but poker keeps people coming back and it was really booming before getting shut down.

[myrkul]

There are casinos as well, the Probiwon site was just the first thing to pop into my mind. I don't do the gambling, so I don't follow it too closely.

[bitty]

I would love to know what those sites are, and I am sure the old gambling site owner would love to know as well. if we had gambling money pour into the economy it would sky rocket.

Do you think we have to be prepared for a BTC related search engine incase google is forced or decideds to block BTC content? Its conspiracy-y and far in the future, nut im just curious.

[KingFisher9]

As far as I know all the big poker sites were just recently raided and taken down by the US gov. There is actually a lot of potential here if someone can start a legitimate poker client that will only accept bit coin.

[bitty]

As far as I know all the big poker sites were just recently raided and taken down by the US gov. There is actually a lot of potential here if someone can start a legitimate poker client that will only accept bit coin.

enormous potential this should be on the main forum. I dont see any other way aside from this to inject enormous amounts of money in such a short amount of time. ha! and they call us newbies....

[boboryder]

Howabout the sports books?  Big sites like intertops.  Do they take Bitcoin? 

[Karen Palen]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

[bitty]

Howabout the sports books?  Big sites like intertops.  Do they take Bitcoin? 

intertops can still accept credit care, moneygram etc.. i dont understand how they are allowed to. and I have no idea how to contact the owner to pitch him the idea.

[JohnnyScience]

Ahh the power of the internet!   

[bji]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

Actually I support drugs, prostitution, and gambling as activities that should be legal.

Child porn - no way.

[JohnnyScience]

I agree with you 100%

[Desu]

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Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

Actually I support drugs, prostitution, and gambling as activities that should be legal.

Child porn - no way.

Amen.
Why doesn't BTC just take over paypal? It's more reliable then dealing with the 60 day cancel button paypal has.

[bji]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

Actually I support drugs, prostitution, and gambling as activities that should be legal.

Child porn - no way.

Allow me to refine my statements:

I actually support drugs, prostitution, gambling, and porn as activities that should be legal - for ADULTS.

Child porn should not be legal for anybody, even children, to produce or possess.

[opticbit]

there are plenty of bitcoin gambling sites

I have referral links to a few of them on my site.

others don't have referral links, so I don't have them listed.  I think they've been taken off the bitcoin wiki, but I'll post them on my site sometime. 

[opensourcerer]

Hello there! As my first post, i wanna point out that a jacks-or-better poker game with btc already exists, http://ggzkvrlfneb7cqae.onion/ if you have Tor. Found it on the first page of the Hidden Wiki

[BTC-Joe]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

Gambling is often associated with organized crime, and rightly so - the mob built Las Vegas into what it is today, but that doesn't change the fact that people are going to gamble...and if they're doing it with bitcoins it only helps this currency take off while simultaneously driving up its value.

Prostitution isn't really an "online" commodity, but porn is. Porn made the web what it is today...believe it or not, it's the driving force behind a lot of the technologies we have. It also made optical media take off...everyone likes porn.

Even if it is these seedy things that push bitcoin into the mainstream, once it is a relevant currency known by the masses it will proliferate into other verticals like standard retail and maybe even B2B.

[ibisy70]

Basically any large site has to implement btc and things will skyrocket.

[xtce]

As far as I know all the big poker sites were just recently raided and taken down by the US gov. There is actually a lot of potential here if someone can start a legitimate poker client that will only accept bit coin.

i agree, from a  long time online poker player here.

[BTC-Joe]

Basically any large site has to implement btc and things will skyrocket.

Yeah, but it is a catch-22. No big site is going to jump on Bitcoins until it is proven and more widely accepted, but it won't become a proven currency until its usage is widespread. That's where online casinos and porn sites can help.

[TiagoTiago]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

Actually I support drugs, prostitution, and gambling as activities that should be legal.

Child porn - no way.

To be honest, as long as no one gets harmed, i'm all for kiddie porn among other things (i've heard of a few cases where kids played with sexual stuff, both among themselves and with people of age, and they were ok; but then they got severely traumatized when misguided religious people, politicians, TV presenters etc got involved and managed to convince them that somthing they enjoyed was actually supposed to be a hideous event and they were supposed to be scarred for life etc. Not saying it is never bad, just that it isn't necessarily bad in 100% of the cases)

[Karen Palen]

Allow me to refine my statements:

I actually support drugs, prostitution, gambling, and porn as activities that should be legal - for ADULTS.

Child porn should not be legal for anybody, even children, to produce or possess.

I think the BDSM crowd have analyzed it correctly - "Safe, Sane and CONSENSUAL" 

With a reasonable imagination that covers a whole lot - far more than MY limits even for a fantasy. 

The essential problem with child porn is that the activity CANNOT be consensual!

Likewise "human trafficking" for prostitution, things like the US Govt handing out cigarettes to kids in the third world (seen that first hand!)  fails the test.

[Karen Palen]

To be honest, as long as no one gets harmed, i'm all for kiddie porn among other things (i've heard of a few cases where kids played with sexual stuff, both among themselves and with people of age, and they were ok; but then they got severely traumatized when misguided religious people, politicians, TV presenters etc got involved and managed to convince them that somthing they enjoyed was actually supposed to be a hideous event and they were supposed to be scarred for life etc. Not saying it is never bad, just that it isn't necessarily bad in 100% of the cases)

Anyone who has raised kids (I raised 4) knows that the kids will experiment with all kind of "sexual" things. 

The problem is when some ADULT gets involved and turns it into more than experimentation or play!

[Desu]

To be honest, as long as no one gets harmed, i'm all for kiddie porn among other things (i've heard of a few cases where kids played with sexual stuff, both among themselves and with people of age, and they were ok; but then they got severely traumatized when misguided religious people, politicians, TV presenters etc got involved and managed to convince them that somthing they enjoyed was actually supposed to be a hideous event and they were supposed to be scarred for life etc. Not saying it is never bad, just that it isn't necessarily bad in 100% of the cases)

Anyone who has raised kids (I raised 4) knows that the kids will experiment with all kind of "sexual" things. 

The problem is when some ADULT gets involved and turns it into more than experimentation or play!

And Most kids aren't making porn videos. Kiddie porn shouldn't be allowed period.

[TiagoTiago]

To be honest, as long as no one gets harmed, i'm all for kiddie porn among other things (i've heard of a few cases where kids played with sexual stuff, both among themselves and with people of age, and they were ok; but then they got severely traumatized when misguided religious people, politicians, TV presenters etc got involved and managed to convince them that somthing they enjoyed was actually supposed to be a hideous event and they were supposed to be scarred for life etc. Not saying it is never bad, just that it isn't necessarily bad in 100% of the cases)

Anyone who has raised kids (I raised 4) knows that the kids will experiment with all kind of "sexual" things. 

The problem is when some ADULT gets involved and turns it into more than experimentation or play!

I wouldn't expect it to be so black & white; say for example, two kids that happen to have been born in the same day one year apart, one  is 17 and the other 16, they're dating, going all the way, sexting each other etc; then the older one turns 18, how can you explain the exact same things suddenly turning from happy fun to rape for a period of one year, and then just as suddenly once again become just fine?


ps: if you believe in another age limit to be considered "ADULT", just skip a few years ahead or behind in my example

[Desu]

To be honest, as long as no one gets harmed, i'm all for kiddie porn among other things (i've heard of a few cases where kids played with sexual stuff, both among themselves and with people of age, and they were ok; but then they got severely traumatized when misguided religious people, politicians, TV presenters etc got involved and managed to convince them that somthing they enjoyed was actually supposed to be a hideous event and they were supposed to be scarred for life etc. Not saying it is never bad, just that it isn't necessarily bad in 100% of the cases)

Anyone who has raised kids (I raised 4) knows that the kids will experiment with all kind of "sexual" things. 

The problem is when some ADULT gets involved and turns it into more than experimentation or play!

I wouldn't expect it to be so black & white; say for example, two kids that happen to have been born in the same day one year apart, one  is 17 and the other 16, they're dating, going all the way, sexting each other etc; then the older one turns 18, how can you explain the exact same things suddenly turning from happy fun to rape for a period of one year, and then just as suddenly once again become just fine?


ps: if you believe in another age limit to be considered "ADULT", just skip a few years ahead or behind in my example

Man, That's where it gets complicated. My main thing is under a certain age, when there isn't a clue on whats right or wrong,thats when its definantly f***ed up.But 16-17-18 year olds, they know what kind of risk there taking. It happens to often with those age groups, that not seeing it would make me thing the world just ended.

[fujiwara]

gambling used to be big business in second life before it got banned there. well, it can't be banned for bitcoins

[opticbit]

Heres some of the links that were removed from the wiki.

if i am missing any please let me know. I'll use your referral link, if they have one.


includes
gambling
porn (18+ no cp)
drugs.

direct links to all bitcoin controversial sites.
http://opticbit.com/active/Controversial.html


some of the sites have referral links please use to get those links.
http://opticbit.com/active/bitcoin.html

or the porn ref links
http://freewayflash.com/pictures/bitcoin-anonymous-porn-paym.html

[TiagoTiago]

I wonder how traumatized kids would be if after they drunk some hot cocoa someone came up to them and "enlightened" them that being offered and then drinking hot cocoa was an evil thing to happen with them, and then sent them to mental professionals to help them deal with the horrible taint of having drunk hot cocoa.

I seriously doubt that if when i was a kid someone made me feel really good i would have been scarred for life; sure if i had been hurt or severely humiliated it would've been bad, but anything if done nastily can be bad, kids can get traumatized with anything from potty training to riding the merry-go-round to fishing to eating pork to going to the doctor etc. IMO if society dealt with sexual stuff more healthy there would be way less kids getting traumatized with sexual stuff.


Seems that in many cases what traumatizes kids is the cultural aspects and not the sex itself (again, i'm not saying that it is never bad)

[myrkul]

I wonder how traumatized kids would be if after they drunk some hot cocoa someone came up to them and "enlightened" them that being offered and then drinking hot cocoa was an evil thing to happen with them, and then sent them to mental professionals to help them deal with the horrible taint of having drunk hot cocoa.

Tiago, You're making very intelligent, rational arguments, and you have some good points, but you're making yourself look like a pedophile. For your own sake, stop digging.

[EpiClock]

Honestly, I doubt any commercial gambling site will sign on for awhile. Perhaps one run by the same kind of idealism that fuels BitCoin, but I cant imagine most businesses not feeding off the Bitcoin ecosystem who will accept its volatility.

[BenRayfield]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

You forgot large bribes for changing laws, and Bitcoin will be very attractive to politicians for that reason.

[osborn_20]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

All of those things happen already with other currencies, but in many places prostitution, gambling and at least some drugs are legal. You just have to put a server in any of those places and problem solved.

If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.

[Phoenix]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

All of those things happen already with other currencies, but in many places prostitution, gambling and at least some drugs are legal. You just have to put a server in any of those places and problem solved.

If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.

This and this again. Wouldn't a dedicated BTC e-Bay or Amazon, attract far more people and raise exchange rates higher, than a BTC gambling facilitator?  How about MMOs where in game transactions and micropayments take place in BTC ?

[twobits]

Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

[jack_jones]

Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

You think the US would shut down a gambling site that only uses BTC? It's fiat, why would they care?

[EpiClock]

If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.

I very much doubt this. I mean - why?

The appeal of Bitcoin is the anonymous, quasi-secure nature of the thing. Why do you need that for Amazon.com? That the government may be interested in your picking up 'Python in a Nutshell' or the Dark Knight on BlueRay?

Why not use your U.S. dollars and their stable prices, versus holding funds in a fairly unstable currency?

Bitcoin will take off when it can do something the Dollar/Euro/Pound can't more easily and conveniently.

[Karen Palen]

Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

You forgot large bribes for changing laws, and Bitcoin will be very attractive to politicians for that reason.

Well at least in Arizona the bribes are reputed to be about the price of admission to a sports event!

The "tradition" of such bribes though is to use prostitutes ( the kinkier/more illegal the better) that way NO ONE wants to talk about the bribe and there is NO record (unless she never takes her dress to the cleaners ever again see Monica Lewinski)

According to police officers I have talked with, politicians are the main market for "under 12YO" prostitutes for this reason! I just cannot imagine being "owned" to that extent by anyone, but then I am not a politician!

[osborn_20]

If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.

I very much doubt this. I mean - why?

The appeal of Bitcoin is the anonymous, quasi-secure nature of the thing. Why do you need that for Amazon.com? That the government may be interested in your picking up 'Python in a Nutshell' or the Dark Knight on BlueRay?

Why not use your U.S. dollars and their stable prices, versus holding funds in a fairly unstable currency?

Bitcoin will take off when it can do something the Dollar/Euro/Pound can't more easily and conveniently.

You doubt that would happen or that the market would explode?.

Because yes we know amazon doesn't like the unstable BTC. But some day it may become stable enough for them, or some other sites may come first...

But if people are given the choice between spending BTC in gambling, donating to your favorite organization or buying some libertarian's books or inception in blueray, thats when BTC would go from being an alternative to potentially replacing the use of dollars, and the value would go up.

[Karen Palen]

gambling used to be big business in second life before it got banned there. well, it can't be banned for bitcoins

ALL of the "businesses" I named were available in Second Life at one time or another.

I had one SL avatar who was a small child and I REALLY got pissed at the halfwits who would try to "pick her up" by sending a picture of "their" puny penis! They got "turned in" just as fast as I could type BTW.

In real life I am 67 years old and raised 4 sons - I KNOW what a penis looks like believe it or not!

[Karen Palen]

And Most kids aren't making porn videos. Kiddie porn shouldn't be allowed period.

When did YOU last visit a Junior High School? (11-14 year olds)

It may get them a lifetime "branding" with a "scarlet "sex offender" on their forehead, but the kids consider "sexting" to be "really cool" - even more so because it gets the adults so upset!

I have never seen a 12-16 year old who really believes that "bad things" could happen to them!

[indio007]

get Saudi Arabia to accept bitcoin for barrels of oil exclusively

[Karen Palen]

Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

That is much easier than you might imagine.

However I understand that most of the unlawful stuff is done in some place like Germany or the US, but all access to the site is via proxies in remote parts of the world which use a VPN to talk to the main server.

For an example that won't get you sent to jail just for asking: Google (or better yet Duck Duck GO) the term FOSI and follow the link to the site. FOSI has been offering downloads of unlawfully copied software since at least 1990 (when I first found them). They have never been down for more than an hour despite all the DMCA fuss!

Setting up an unlawful site is not hard, but your DO need someone competent that you can trust to set things up - it is the dumb mistakes that kill you!

[Desu]

And Most kids aren't making porn videos. Kiddie porn shouldn't be allowed period.

When did YOU last visit a Junior High School? (11-14 year olds)

It may get them a lifetime "branding" with a "scarlet "sex offender" on their forehead, but the kids consider "sexting" to be "really cool" - even more so because it gets the adults so upset!

I have never seen a 12-16 year old who really believes that "bad things" could happen to them!

They're two different markets when it comes to Kiddie porn. The kids that know -Sexters- and the 0-10 year old group(Which I was referring to) That are forced into it.

[indio007]

Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

That is much easier than you might imagine.

However I understand that most of the unlawful stuff is done in some place like Germany or the US, but all access to the site is via proxies in remote parts of the world which use a VPN to talk to the main server.

For an example that won't get you sent to jail just for asking: Google (or better yet Duck Duck GO) the term FOSI and follow the link to the site. FOSI has been offering downloads of unlawfully copied software since at least 1990 (when I first found them). They have never been down for more than an hour despite all the DMCA fuss!

Setting up an unlawful site is not hard, but your DO need someone competent that you can trust to set things up - it is the dumb mistakes that kill you!

I think you mean illegal. There is no such thing as an "unlawful" copyright violation because copyright is a creation of statute not of natural right. Copyright doesn't even exist at common law. In fact copyright didn't even really exist till the player piano was invented.

[EpiClock]

You doubt that would happen or that the market would explode?.

That the market would explode.

There's no additional benefit to *most* people in Amazon taking Bitcoins. Their paycheck is in dollars, their bank account is in dollars, their credit card...you get the picture.

I mean, it would be useful for people who *have* Bitcoins to be able to spend them more places, but what reason is there for me to convert my dollar to bitcoins, to buy goods...I can buy in dollars?

Especially since by the time a major retailer might be on board, mining your own bitcoins will be pretty much a dead end for most people.

[Karen Palen]

Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

That is much easier than you might imagine.

However I understand that most of the unlawful stuff is done in some place like Germany or the US, but all access to the site is via proxies in remote parts of the world which use a VPN to talk to the main server.

For an example that won't get you sent to jail just for asking: Google (or better yet Duck Duck GO) the term FOSI and follow the link to the site. FOSI has been offering downloads of unlawfully copied software since at least 1990 (when I first found them). They have never been down for more than an hour despite all the DMCA fuss!

Setting up an unlawful site is not hard, but your DO need someone competent that you can trust to set things up - it is the dumb mistakes that kill you!

I think you mean illegal. There is no such thing as an "unlawful" copyright violation because copyright is a creation of statute not of natural right. Copyright doesn't even exist at common law. In fact copyright didn't even really exist till the player piano was invented.

I used copyright as an example so I could illustrate my point without anyone going to jail. Yes there are gambling, child porn, drug dealing etc. sites that have been around just as long, but you risk jail time for even looking.