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April 11, 2017, 06:26:32 PM
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Also its very suspicious he deposits 15btc only to make a few btc profit and leave? 

Doesn't matter. It's up to him how he plays. This is totally fine.
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April 11, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
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Who are you again??
From his last posts,one can easily make out he is a shiller for BtcAntonio Scam Agency who  promotes vegascasino.io,bitcasio.io and sportsbet.io.
Not really their fault,until and unless these stupid kids stop depositing their money on such C graded gamling sites,nothing could stop them for looting these kids.

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April 11, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
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The OP has posted very little proof that indeed the casino scammed him. He's been on several times and hasn't posted.

Yet you all have already become the executioners in assuming sportsbet.io has indeed scammed this guy. I find it very unlikely that they would risk their reputation over 20BTC, That is pocket change to this group. There is one guy at their casino that bets that much every hand of blackjack.

There was another guy a couple months back that won a massive 200 some bitcoins from their group and he didn't come here yelling scam. They paid him and he even come here and give massive 12.5BTC giveaway.

The OP could just be pulling wool over all your eyes to get a witch hunt against the sportsbook when in fact he could have indeed broken their terms by providing false information and identification.

After more thinking about it and his silence. I'm not buying it.

Unless he can prove otherwise that he in fact uploaded legitimate IDs and utility bills and he didnt break any other term then he is guilty until proven innocent just like you all have given guilt to sportsbet without knowing facts.

Also its very suspicious he deposits 15btc only to make a few btc profit and leave?  

He has some explaining to do before I can believe hes 100% innocent and the casino scammed him.
How can you prove that you did nothing wrong?

Accusers have to deliver proof of their accusation! Sportsbet.io even did not deliver which part of their T&C was breached and why?

The part you are not able to understand (or intentionally mislead) is that if you are allowed to deposit and play without verification of your identity, then you are logically also allowed to withdraw without verification! The only case where they can ask for documents is if there are reasonable grounds that you acted fraudulent and in this case they have to say what and deliver proof. As we all know, none of this has taken place!


Also its very suspicious he deposits 15btc only to make a few btc profit and leave?
Since when or based on what is it suspicious to deposit 15 BTC, win 6,5 BTC and then withdraw? The laws give him all the right to withdraw at any time if there is no pending bonus.

He won almost 50% of his deposit, time to leave. Next time when you go to a brick and mortar casino, they will confiscate your money if you leave after 1 hour play!  Roll Eyes

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April 12, 2017, 12:56:35 AM
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The OP has posted very little proof that indeed the casino scammed him. He's been on several times and hasn't posted.

Yet you all have already become the executioners in assuming sportsbet.io has indeed scammed this guy. I find it very unlikely that they would risk their reputation over 20BTC, That is pocket change to this group. There is one guy at their casino that bets that much every hand of blackjack.

There was another guy a couple months back that won a massive 200 some bitcoins from their group and he didn't come here yelling scam. They paid him and he even come here and give massive 12.5BTC giveaway.

The OP could just be pulling wool over all your eyes to get a witch hunt against the sportsbook when in fact he could have indeed broken their terms by providing false information and identification.

After more thinking about it and his silence. I'm not buying it.

Unless he can prove otherwise that he in fact uploaded legitimate IDs and utility bills and he didnt break any other term then he is guilty until proven innocent just like you all have given guilt to sportsbet without knowing facts.

Also its very suspicious he deposits 15btc only to make a few btc profit and leave? 

He has some explaining to do before I can believe hes 100% innocent and the casino scammed him.

Hi Trayber,

I have provided all the proof I have access to that the casino has refused to issue my withdrawal and closed my account. I do not understand how you expect me provide proof I uploaded legitimate IDs. Would you like me upload them on a public forum? Have you not heard of identity theft? If you can tell me how I can provide proof I violated no terms, then I will do so, but seeing as I don't even have access to my account it is a bit difficult. I deposited 15 btc, played for a few hours, made it to about 25 btc at one stage and then ended up on 21.5 BTC and decided that was enough. It's not like 6.5 BTC ($8k USD) winnings is an insignificant amount anyway, I'm not an aggressive gambler who tries to win 4-5x his money back.

I did not reply sooner to your message because I have been checking on my mobile and did not have the time to write a reply. Honestly I do not even know what I am being accused of and sportsbet.io refuses to tell me. I understand you are a skeptic but I have presented you with all the facts I can, and sportsbet has refused to present any, not even to me. Why do you think that is?
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April 12, 2017, 01:02:55 AM
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Id like to thank this community for assisting me in recovering my stolen funds, I honestly thought I would just be ignored or only get 1 or 2 replies. But I am overwhelmed by the support offered by some of the people in this forum. Hopefully when this is over I can offer a few of you a reward.
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April 12, 2017, 03:35:38 AM
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The OP has posted very little proof that indeed the casino scammed him. He's been on several times and hasn't posted.

Yet you all have already become the executioners in assuming sportsbet.io has indeed scammed this guy. I find it very unlikely that they would risk their reputation over 20BTC, That is pocket change to this group. There is one guy at their casino that bets that much every hand of blackjack.

There was another guy a couple months back that won a massive 200 some bitcoins from their group and he didn't come here yelling scam. They paid him and he even come here and give massive 12.5BTC giveaway.

The OP could just be pulling wool over all your eyes to get a witch hunt against the sportsbook when in fact he could have indeed broken their terms by providing false information and identification.

After more thinking about it and his silence. I'm not buying it.

Unless he can prove otherwise that he in fact uploaded legitimate IDs and utility bills and he didnt break any other term then he is guilty until proven innocent just like you all have given guilt to sportsbet without knowing facts.

Also its very suspicious he deposits 15btc only to make a few btc profit and leave? 

He has some explaining to do before I can believe hes 100% innocent and the casino scammed him.

Hi Trayber,

I have provided all the proof I have access to that the casino has refused to issue my withdrawal and closed my account. I do not understand how you expect me provide proof I uploaded legitimate IDs. Would you like me upload them on a public forum? Have you not heard of identity theft? If you can tell me how I can provide proof I violated no terms, then I will do so, but seeing as I don't even have access to my account it is a bit difficult. I deposited 15 btc, played for a few hours, made it to about 25 btc at one stage and then ended up on 21.5 BTC and decided that was enough. It's not like 6.5 BTC ($8k USD) winnings is an insignificant amount anyway, I'm not an aggressive gambler who tries to win 4-5x his money back.

I did not reply sooner to your message because I have been checking on my mobile and did not have the time to write a reply. Honestly I do not even know what I am being accused of and sportsbet.io refuses to tell me. I understand you are a skeptic but I have presented you with all the facts I can, and sportsbet has refused to present any, not even to me. Why do you think that is?

Thank you for getting back to me.

Did you take any screenshots when you were able to still log in of your deposits/withdrawls?

Like I've said, I have played with this group for over 2 years and never been stiffed a payment nor have many others experienced any problems. So this is interesting to say the least.

If you have accurately described everything to be 100% truthful then I'll try to help and give you a few options. You won't get very far here.


You can try filing complaints at casinomeister.com They offer a service called "pitch a bitch" where you can submit your claim and they may try to help and resolve it with a great mediator named Max. However, since this casino is not accredited over there they may not take it on. But its worth a shot. This way the casino can provide their evidence against you. If they are unwilling to communicate though it probably wont go anywhere.

As sportsbet.io suggested you can also try filing a complaint at askgamblers.com Same thing where the casino will present its evidence to a 3rd party and let them mediate and decide if you violated terms.

Lastly, askgamblers.com is another service where they will try to contact the casino on your behalf.

Please take this advice if you have told complete truth and gave correct documents when  you were asked for them and did not violate any other terms.

In any event, if you indeed made a 15BTC deposit at the least that should be returned. I don't see any reason why they should keep the deposit under most circumstances. Even if you somehow broke terms verifying your account, they should be allowed to withhold your winnings but not the deposit.

I hope you take this advice I have given you and utilize it as I've given others the same advice in similar situations where they were successfully able to resolve issues with online casinos and get paid.
 
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April 12, 2017, 05:11:30 AM
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This is really sad. I have been playing on the site for long and will stop on doing so. This is the case of bitcoin sites doing what they feel is right because of no legal consequences. I hope they get boycotted.
Read 4 posts above yours...

So even if he goes to sue then, how would he support all the legal expenses and justify everything with only 15,000 Dollars ? What if he doesn't win. Its a risk even for him to pursue them for 15 BTC.
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April 12, 2017, 05:24:38 AM
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The OP has posted very little proof that indeed the casino scammed him. He's been on several times and hasn't posted.

Yet you all have already become the executioners in assuming sportsbet.io has indeed scammed this guy. I find it very unlikely that they would risk their reputation over 20BTC, That is pocket change to this group. There is one guy at their casino that bets that much every hand of blackjack.

There was another guy a couple months back that won a massive 200 some bitcoins from their group and he didn't come here yelling scam. They paid him and he even come here and give massive 12.5BTC giveaway.

The OP could just be pulling wool over all your eyes to get a witch hunt against the sportsbook when in fact he could have indeed broken their terms by providing false information and identification.

After more thinking about it and his silence. I'm not buying it.

Unless he can prove otherwise that he in fact uploaded legitimate IDs and utility bills and he didnt break any other term then he is guilty until proven innocent just like you all have given guilt to sportsbet without knowing facts.

Also its very suspicious he deposits 15btc only to make a few btc profit and leave? 

He has some explaining to do before I can believe hes 100% innocent and the casino scammed him.

Hi Trayber,

I have provided all the proof I have access to that the casino has refused to issue my withdrawal and closed my account. I do not understand how you expect me provide proof I uploaded legitimate IDs. Would you like me upload them on a public forum? Have you not heard of identity theft? If you can tell me how I can provide proof I violated no terms, then I will do so, but seeing as I don't even have access to my account it is a bit difficult. I deposited 15 btc, played for a few hours, made it to about 25 btc at one stage and then ended up on 21.5 BTC and decided that was enough. It's not like 6.5 BTC ($8k USD) winnings is an insignificant amount anyway, I'm not an aggressive gambler who tries to win 4-5x his money back.

I did not reply sooner to your message because I have been checking on my mobile and did not have the time to write a reply. Honestly I do not even know what I am being accused of and sportsbet.io refuses to tell me. I understand you are a skeptic but I have presented you with all the facts I can, and sportsbet has refused to present any, not even to me. Why do you think that is?

Thank you for getting back to me.

Did you take any screenshots when you were able to still log in of your deposits/withdrawls?

Like I've said, I have played with this group for over 2 years and never been stiffed a payment nor have many others experienced any problems. So this is interesting to say the least.

If you have accurately described everything to be 100% truthful then I'll try to help and give you a few options. You won't get very far here.


You can try filing complaints at casinomeister.com They offer a service called "pitch a bitch" where you can submit your claim and they may try to help and resolve it with a great mediator named Max. However, since this casino is not accredited over there they may not take it on. But its worth a shot. This way the casino can provide their evidence against you. If they are unwilling to communicate though it probably wont go anywhere.

As sportsbet.io suggested you can also try filing a complaint at askgamblers.com Same thing where the casino will present its evidence to a 3rd party and let them mediate and decide if you violated terms.

Lastly, askgamblers.com is another service where they will try to contact the casino on your behalf.

Please take this advice if you have told complete truth and gave correct documents when  you were asked for them and did not violate any other terms.

In any event, if you indeed made a 15BTC deposit at the least that should be returned. I don't see any reason why they should keep the deposit under most circumstances. Even if you somehow broke terms verifying your account, they should be allowed to withhold your winnings but not the deposit.

I hope you take this advice I have given you and utilize it as I've given others the same advice in similar situations where they were successfully able to resolve issues with online casinos and get paid.
 
Good Luck.


I did not take any screenshots as I had no idea I would have my account locked.

Unfortunately sportsbet.io is not listed on casinomeister or askgamblers. So I am not sure why they would suggest I open a complaint on askgamblers when I am unable to. And since they are not replying to my emails or posts here I doubt they would reply to any mediators.
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April 12, 2017, 05:40:25 AM
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It really isn't an excuse for them to not provide you with your cashout because you provided false information.

Sure, it was your problem, but i think it would be better for them to give you a warning and say that next time make sure you put the right info, instead of confiscating your deposit + winnings altogether. They should know that most people using their service WILL in fact use false information for anonymity. This is common in the crypto world, and them operating solely on bitcoin, should know.

This will make them look not as legit.
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April 12, 2017, 08:20:44 AM
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It really isn't an excuse for them to not provide you with your cashout because you provided false information.

say that next time make sure you put the right info, instead of confiscating your deposit + winnings altogether. They should know that most people using their service WILL in fact use false information for anonymity. This is common in the crypto world, and them operating solely on bitcoin, should know.

This will make them look not as legit.

What information ? Sportsbet doesn't require you to put your legal name and address. Atleast, I have never been prompted to put in that information. Their verification team just seems to block high payouts and ask them for the documents.
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April 12, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
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Hi all,

Regarding the complaint of player ExcessTest:

sportsbet.io is a regulated online gambling provider which does not withold customers funds and processes hundreds of withdrawals of BTC in a week.

Regardless the nature of Bitcoin payments as a regulated operator we are obliged to ID verification, KYC and AML (anti-money laundering) procedures by the regulator at certain withdrawal levels.

We have stated this clearly in our Terms & Conditions page available here –
https://sportsbet.io/about/general-terms-and-conditions
3.3.3. Sportsbet reserve the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawals exceeding the equivalent of 10 Bitcoins or €2300 which ever is lower, and further reserves the right to carry out such verification procedures in case of smaller withdrawals, as demanded by our gaming license. Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.

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Regarding the OP post here in forums:

We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.

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April 12, 2017, 01:02:44 PM
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sportsbet.io is a regulated online gambling provider which does not withold customers funds and processes hundreds of withdrawals of BTC in a week.
Doesn't matter.Please stop promoting your self when you're responding to a scam accusation.

Regardless the nature of Bitcoin payments as a regulated operator we are obliged to ID verification, KYC and AML (anti-money laundering) procedures by the regulator at certain withdrawal levels.
Did you make it clear to your customers during/before signing up ? Is it part of your current terms and conditions ? Why only during withdrawals ? Why not during deposits ? And we expect a clear answer for all these questions.

We have stated this clearly in our Terms & Conditions page available here –
https://sportsbet.io/about/general-terms-and-conditions
3.3.3. Sportsbet reserve the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawals exceeding the equivalent of 10 Bitcoins or €2300 which ever is lower, and further reserves the right to carry out such verification procedures in case of smaller withdrawals, as demanded by our gaming license. Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.
You sure you didn't add this a day before ? Please show us your gaming license.


We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.
Nope.It should be discussed publicly,show the transactions which were double spent and how they're linked to the OP.Also,we would like to know why his Id verifications would be rejected.

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April 12, 2017, 01:13:16 PM
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Sound really strange that a BTC bet provider ask for KYC!

It's really a non-sense, because i think i go to play BTC for stay anonimous: if i need to provide my ID probably i go in regulated (for real, not for fake  Roll Eyes ) betting website!

Also , if withdrawal was made to the same address from deposit, wich is the risk?



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April 12, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
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Regardless the nature of Bitcoin payments as a regulated operator we are obliged to ID verification, KYC and AML (anti-money laundering) procedures by the regulator at certain withdrawal levels.

We have stated this clearly in our Terms & Conditions page available here –
https://sportsbet.io/about/general-terms-and-conditions
3.3.3. Sportsbet reserve the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawals exceeding the equivalent of 10 Bitcoins or €2300 which ever is lower, and further reserves the right to carry out such verification procedures in case of smaller withdrawals, as demanded by our gaming license. Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.

Whatever shit is there in your clause, i am adamant that one should never ask for KYC or ID verification from the players who play via bitcoin.
The theme of bitcoin is P2P and anonymity.

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I suggest you to reimburse the players money with some reward as you have cost him tension and a waste of time.I even suggest you to remove this ID verification against your clause, else true bitcoiners will never play at your site.


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April 12, 2017, 03:26:26 PM
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Regarding the OP post here in forums:

We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.

Cheers,
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LOL! so you are claiming double spend and failed verification without backing it up with proof? I call bullshit on that.

Btw why should an unlicensed book demand KYC? I would be wary sending my ID to a shady as fuck outfit like yours.

Just pay the man his money and stop giving him the run around. If you don't have the coins and cannot afford to pay him, beg and negotiate with him, instead of making him look like the guilty party when it's all on you.

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April 12, 2017, 06:53:30 PM
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Regarding the OP post here in forums:

We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.

Cheers,
sportsbet.io

I've seen similar excuses in several threads here, it seems that more gambling sites are doing this to
hold the users BTC.

Anyway, as long as you don't provide any proof of the violations that you mentioned
a tag will be given to you.



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This is really sad. I have been playing on the site for long and will stop on doing so. This is the case of bitcoin sites doing what they feel is right because of no legal consequences. I hope they get boycotted.
Read 4 posts above yours...

So even if he goes to sue them, how would he support all the legal expenses and justify everything with only 15,000 Dollars ? What if he doesn't win. Its a risk even for him to pursue them for 15 BTC.
He claims to be owed 21.5 BTC = $26,000. If he provably scammed, his claim is 0.0, if he did not scam his claim is $26,000.

Court fee in Curacao is 1% with minimum $375 = $375 for him and I could offer a good lawyer arrangement, let us say around $2,500. So his total costs to enforce his claim would be around $3,000.

If you have $18,000 to deposit, then you should have as well $3,000 to enforce your claim, shouldn't you?

If he doesn't win, he will lose another $3,000, but had a good chance to get his $26,000. If he did not scam sportsbet.io, this is an instant call. Also, if he win, sportsbet.io will likely have to pay his lawyer and court fee.

Yes, it is a small financial risk to persue his 21.5 BTC, but the risk to deposit 15 BTC was unlike higher! Therefore no idea what the problem is?

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This is really sad. I have been playing on the site for long and will stop on doing so. This is the case of bitcoin sites doing what they feel is right because of no legal consequences. I hope they get boycotted.
Read 4 posts above yours...

So even if he goes to sue them, how would he support all the legal expenses and justify everything with only 15,000 Dollars ? What if he doesn't win. Its a risk even for him to pursue them for 15 BTC.
He claims to be owed 21.5 BTC = $26,000. If he provably scammed his claim is 0.0, if he did not scam his claim is $26,000.

Court fee in Curacao is 1% with minimum $375 = $375 for him and I could offer a good lawyer arrangement, let us say around $2,500. So his total costs to enforce his claim would be around $3,000.

If you have $18,000 to deposit, then you should have as well $3,000 to enforce your claim, shouldn't you?

If he doesn't win, he will lose another $3,000, but had a good chance to get his $26,000. If he did not scam sportsbet.io, this is an instant call. Also, if he win, sportsbet.io will likely have to pay his lawyer and court fee.

Yes, it is a small financial risk to persue his 21.5 BTC, but the risk to deposit 15 BTC was unlike higher! Therefore no idea what the problem is?

Is this some kind of joke? You are taking the piss right?

Edit: Try to figure it out. I refuse to derail this thread and make it about you, Mr snake oil salesman /b]

Haha, nice story bro!

It is impossible for me to figure out nonsense stories, but you can post your pissing story also in my BitcoinTalk thread and we can discuss it there:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.0

Thanks for the invitation but NO. Why should I exchange banter with a madman charlatan? I have better things to do with my time so ill pass.

You are going straight to the top of my ignore list.

                                            
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We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.
Nope.It should be discussed publicly,show the transactions which were double spent and how they're linked to the OP.Also,we would like to know why his Id verifications would be rejected.
I don't play there, but according to support 3 confirmations are required on deposit. Is it even possible to perform double spend there?
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We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.
Nope.It should be discussed publicly,show the transactions which were double spent and how they're linked to the OP.Also,we would like to know why his Id verifications would be rejected.
I don't play there, but according to support 3 confirmations are required on deposit. Is it even possible to perform double spend there?

If I recall correctly, all/most deposits are instantly credited to your account. Based on this, I would imagine you could perform a double spend by depositing with a really low tx fee and bet it all on some event counting on the fact that the deposit is instantly credited. Even if you lose that bet, you could just double spend as long as the deposit hasn't confirmed yet.
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