AMD Rebrand - RX570 / RX580 - Official Thread

[pb2014]

Hi guys I just fired up my new out of the box RX 580 to mine ETH and with the card running stock I'm getting 22 mh/s and it's running at 88c temp with 61% fan. Are the RX 580's known to run this hot?

[WhyMe]

Certainly too high default voltage and frequency !

[rednoW]

According to Claymore benchmark Polaris card even with 8gb mem is doing only 17mhs dagger-hashimoto with epoch 199 ))
R9 390 is doing 30.5 mhs
gtx1070 - 31.5 mhs

Time to sell your polaris cards while the demand and price are high ))

[frostminer]

As I  ordered 570 4gb and dag getting bigger will the 4gb enough for eth mining or newer cards like 570 won't have any problem?

Its going to reach 4GB in around 2 years at current rate but it doesn't really matter. Be it the burst of the current bubble or eth switching to PoS or the difficulty bomb, eth mining will be over way before that anyways.

I think ETH won't be profitable with GPU mining in 2 years.

In 2 years? Foolish, it's gonna be much sooner...

Its most likely going POS this year.
Theres been talk about everything from this summer to november.

Unless they keep the same reward and a pos/pow hybrid, it WILL be the death of gpu mining.

You keep telling yourself that bullshit. :3

Which part?

The unly uncertain one is the POS question.

GPU profits will plummet immensly as most of the hash is caught up in ETH.
Thats just simple math...


Take ETC for example.  1 GH today pays about 200 $
With ETHs hashrate 1 GH will pay around 10$ .. but at avg. you will spend 14-17$ on power.

There simply aint enough value to absorb all that hash and make it profitable.

But this is based on if nothing changes. I do expect a lot of changes once the ETH plan is clear.
I dont think people understand how much 43.57 Th/s ethash is in power.
ETC, UBQ, MC, EXP, ZEN, ZCL, ZEC, HUSH and all those can NOT absorb that power without plummeting in profits. Even combined.


But as i said... i expect new actors or other changes to keep this going.

[frostminer]

As I  ordered 570 4gb and dag getting bigger will the 4gb enough for eth mining or newer cards like 570 won't have any problem?

Its going to reach 4GB in around 2 years at current rate but it doesn't really matter. Be it the burst of the current bubble or eth switching to PoS or the difficulty bomb, eth mining will be over way before that anyways.

I think ETH won't be profitable with GPU mining in 2 years.

In 2 years? Foolish, it's gonna be much sooner...

Its most likely going POS this year.
Theres been talk about everything from this summer to november.

Unless they keep the same reward and a pos/pow hybrid, it WILL be the death of gpu mining.

You keep telling yourself that bullshit. :3

Which part?

The unly uncertain one is the POS question.

GPU profits will plummet immensly as most of the hash is caught up in ETH.
Thats just simple math...


Take ETC for example.  1 GH today pays about 200 $
With ETHs hashrate 1 GH will pay around 10$ .. but at avg. you will spend 14-17$ on power.

There simply aint enough value to absorb all that hash and make it profitable.

But this is based on if nothing changes. I do expect a lot of changes once the ETH plan is clear.
I dont think people understand how much 43.57 Th/s ethash is in power.
ETC, UBQ, MC, EXP, ZEN, ZCL, ZEC, HUSH and all those can NOT absorb that power without plummeting in profits. Even combined.


But as i said... i expect new actors or other changes to keep this going.

Dude, you're parroting the same trash people said when Scrypt ASICs were coming, then it was repeated about X11 ASICs, and so on. The death of GPU mining has been predicted so many times that it's almost a comical statement.

What? No?
Yeah... what would happen to asics if BTC went POS?

Edit:
Does ppl still mine x11 with GPUs? 

[frostminer]

As I  ordered 570 4gb and dag getting bigger will the 4gb enough for eth mining or newer cards like 570 won't have any problem?

Its going to reach 4GB in around 2 years at current rate but it doesn't really matter. Be it the burst of the current bubble or eth switching to PoS or the difficulty bomb, eth mining will be over way before that anyways.

I think ETH won't be profitable with GPU mining in 2 years.

In 2 years? Foolish, it's gonna be much sooner...

Its most likely going POS this year.
Theres been talk about everything from this summer to november.

Unless they keep the same reward and a pos/pow hybrid, it WILL be the death of gpu mining.

You keep telling yourself that bullshit. :3

Which part?

The unly uncertain one is the POS question.

GPU profits will plummet immensly as most of the hash is caught up in ETH.
Thats just simple math...


Take ETC for example.  1 GH today pays about 200 $
With ETHs hashrate 1 GH will pay around 10$ .. but at avg. you will spend 14-17$ on power.

There simply aint enough value to absorb all that hash and make it profitable.

But this is based on if nothing changes. I do expect a lot of changes once the ETH plan is clear.
I dont think people understand how much 43.57 Th/s ethash is in power.
ETC, UBQ, MC, EXP, ZEN, ZCL, ZEC, HUSH and all those can NOT absorb that power without plummeting in profits. Even combined.


But as i said... i expect new actors or other changes to keep this going.

Dude, you're parroting the same trash people said when Scrypt ASICs were coming, then it was repeated about X11 ASICs, and so on. The death of GPU mining has been predicted so many times that it's almost a comical statement.

What? No?
Yeah... what would happen to asics if BTC went POS?

Edit:
Does ppl still mine x11 with GPUs? 

I amended my post - have a look.

So basicly my point stands.

If BTC had gone POS... asics would be useless.
x11 asics killed x11 gpu mining.

Point:
Thing will probably evolve or someone new will show up with a lot of cash 

(im a miner.. dont believe for a second that i dont want to keep at this joy)

[rednoW]

2 Wolf0

Can you benchmark some Polaris card 8gb with your private ETH miner with current epoch, epoch 150 and epoch 199?
Will you see performance degradation?

[rednoW]

Cause Claymore's benchmark shows significant performance degradation, only 17mhs on 199 epoch

[rednoW]

Cause Claymore's benchmark shows significant performance degradation, only 17mhs on 199 epoch

On Polaris cards? I'm curious now, but SGMiner doesn't have an option to use a commanded epoch, dammit.

You already can see it, try some shit-dagger-coin with low epoch and current eth. With claymore it is ~0.2mhs loss. Then on epoch 150 and later it becomes huge.
R9 390 is effected also but not much.
gtx1070 practically not effected.
Maybe it is a miner problem or some driver issue ... that is why I ask.

[rednoW]

It is an AMD difficulty bomb ... Vega is coming )))))

[grape_tectonics]

As I  ordered 570 4gb and dag getting bigger will the 4gb enough for eth mining or newer cards like 570 won't have any problem?

Its going to reach 4GB in around 2 years at current rate but it doesn't really matter. Be it the burst of the current bubble or eth switching to PoS or the difficulty bomb, eth mining will be over way before that anyways.

I think ETH won't be profitable with GPU mining in 2 years.

In 2 years? Foolish, it's gonna be much sooner...

Its most likely going POS this year.
Theres been talk about everything from this summer to november.

Unless they keep the same reward and a pos/pow hybrid, it WILL be the death of gpu mining.

You keep telling yourself that bullshit. :3

Which part?

The unly uncertain one is the POS question.

GPU profits will plummet immensly as most of the hash is caught up in ETH.
Thats just simple math...


Take ETC for example.  1 GH today pays about 200 $
With ETHs hashrate 1 GH will pay around 10$ .. but at avg. you will spend 14-17$ on power.

There simply aint enough value to absorb all that hash and make it profitable.

But this is based on if nothing changes. I do expect a lot of changes once the ETH plan is clear.
I dont think people understand how much 43.57 Th/s ethash is in power.
ETC, UBQ, MC, EXP, ZEN, ZCL, ZEC, HUSH and all those can NOT absorb that power without plummeting in profits. Even combined.


But as i said... i expect new actors or other changes to keep this going.

Dude, you're parroting the same trash people said when Scrypt ASICs were coming, then it was repeated about X11 ASICs, and so on. The death of GPU mining has been predicted so many times that it's almost a comical statement.

Let me tell you what's gonna happen, that way you can prepare yourself. Eth is going to go PoS eventually, or just kick the bucket - for the purposes of this discussion, it doesn't matter which. Mining profitability will tank EXTREMELY hard - and there will be people selling GPUs (often at a loss) for half MSRP or less on fleabay, Craigslist, anywhere they can find someone to take them. I'll be snapping 'em up quick, by the by. There will be a while where people bitch, moan, and whine about making only a few USD a day off of a six-GPU rig, and then, slowly, new shit will emerge. They will slowly bring the profitability back up, not to current level (at first), but enough that the whining slows down. Then, likely, one of those newfangled profit generators (coins) will explode like Eth is now, and we'll be right about... here. Rinse, repeat.

There is another possibility to consider. What if etherum's PoS is a huge success and delivers on being much cheaper and faster for transactions? It might just suck all the money out of other coins and PoS would become the new norm, changing the cryptocurrency scene forever.

Personally I see some flaws with PoS and think its somewhat worse for securing the network than PoW but who knows, I might be wrong.

[frostminer]

To conclude the pos:
All agrees on hard tanking.
Most agrees on something new evolving.

Its a phase.. not a permantent state.





This EPOCH thing would be nice to figure out and have a def. answer to.

Wolf, will you need a testnet or something to simulate?

[frostminer]

Bahaha...
Called a few webshops today.

They are completely drowning in gpu orders from miners.

I asked him if they sold much to gamers.
His answer was : "every now and then a person buys 1 card, but most of them order 10-50 gpus"


Even me personally covers the eq. of 100s of gamers...
Those saying mining didnt affect the gpu market are way off....

AMD should made a mining card 1 year ago ... so much market to drain.

Idiots.

[Utrine]

Bahaha...
Called a few webshops today.

They are completely drowning in gpu orders from miners.

I asked him if they sold much to gamers.
His answer was : "every now and then a person buys 1 card, but most of them order 10-50 gpus"


Even me personally covers the eq. of 100s of gamers...
Those saying mining didnt affect the gpu market are way off....

AMD should made a mining card 1 year ago ... so much market to drain.

Idiots.

One year ago, the mining market was not so good.

[frostminer]

Bahaha...
Called a few webshops today.

They are completely drowning in gpu orders from miners.

I asked him if they sold much to gamers.
His answer was : "every now and then a person buys 1 card, but most of them order 10-50 gpus"


Even me personally covers the eq. of 100s of gamers...
Those saying mining didnt affect the gpu market are way off....

AMD should made a mining card 1 year ago ... so much market to drain.

Idiots.

One year ago, the mining market was not so good.

It was even better... I remember waiting for the r9 390s quite a while.
The profits were crazy

[carlo_0000]

me too i don't understand why they not build a mining gpu, could perform lot better than a gaming gpu

here to all amd gpu's are out of stock

[RiNGA]

Hey guys, after sleepless night I really need your help.
Setting up 2nd rig: 6 cards mixed brands. One was even "like new" condition and I found out somebody played with bios already, It is GB Aorus XTR 8GB and its LED is not working and bios timings were changed.
Can anyone post his original BIOS for this card? If it helps I will be really thankful.

Also second problem - was flashing BIOS and PC crashed or freezed and card which was in progress seems to be dead...PC just never turn on with that one. It is GB Gaming G1 8GB. Any idea what to do?

Thanks!
Do you use patcher before flashing any card?

[Mattthev]

Hey guys, after sleepless night I really need your help.
Setting up 2nd rig: 6 cards mixed brands. One was even "like new" condition and I found out somebody played with bios already, It is GB Aorus XTR 8GB and its LED is not working and bios timings were changed.
Can anyone post his original BIOS for this card? If it helps I will be really thankful.

Also second problem - was flashing BIOS and PC crashed or freezed and card which was in progress seems to be dead...PC just never turn on with that one. It is GB Gaming G1 8GB. Any idea what to do?

Thanks!
Do you use patcher before flashing any card?

https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/9443/bricked-your-rx-480-due-to-bad-flash

[RiNGA]

The backplate on GB is different it just hold also on 3 internal screws from which 2 can be only accessed if I remove whole cooling which dont want to go out because of probably heat paste sticking like hell.
So - any other ideas? I cannot access that BIOS chip.

Also anybody with Aorus XTR 8GB original bios? Pls 

[frostminer]

God dammit... now its really reallly impossible to get any AMD gpus.

I might get one batch in july, which was expected in june.... the rest is pushed to august. Earliest.