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April 20, 2017, 10:58:12 PM
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?
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April 20, 2017, 11:11:32 PM
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Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

A long list of recognised as extremist publications. (In Russian)

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.
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April 20, 2017, 11:17:17 PM
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Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.
I think it's not a religion, but a sect.

I don't know much about them, but they don't agree to blood transfusions, even if this could save their lives, which could put them in conflict with the law, especially if a child dies because the parents decided it was a god's choice. I don't think they are terrorists, but they are a closed society with its own rules that in their minds are above the law.

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April 20, 2017, 11:31:47 PM
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Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.
I think it's not a religion, but a sect.

I don't know much about them, but they don't agree to blood transfusions, even if this could save their lives, which could put them in conflict with the law, especially if a child dies because the parents decided it was a god's choice. I don't think they are terrorists, but they are a closed society with its own rules that in their minds are above the law.


All religions are cults.  The only difference is they are recognized as non-profit, tax-exempt corporations with a large number of members.

Cults and religions operate on the same principle.  Scare people, offer a solution to a non-existing problem and take their money.
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April 20, 2017, 11:40:23 PM
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I see no reason to deal with religion. Radical Islam certainly deserves this, but violence will only provoke growth of attacks. I think you need to better educate their children and to prohibit all benefits and privileges for all religions. Over time, believers will not.
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April 20, 2017, 11:42:33 PM
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I see no reason to deal with religion. Radical Islam certainly deserves this, but violence will only provoke growth of attacks. I think you need to better educate their children and to prohibit all benefits and privileges for all religions. Over time, believers will not.

Teaching children that Earth is 6000 years old and is flat borders on child abuse, don't you think?
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I see no reason to deal with religion. Radical Islam certainly deserves this, but violence will only provoke growth of attacks. I think you need to better educate their children and to prohibit all benefits and privileges for all religions. Over time, believers will not.

Teaching children that Earth is 6000 years old and is flat borders on child abuse, don't you think?
Of course I agree it's a mockery. But why to teach it. For example, I explained to my daughter that there is no God and she does not believe in him. In school it is not taught religion, so I'm sure that neither she nor her children will not be in illusions.
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April 20, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
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Jehova's Witnesses should be ban worldwide they are teaching falsely and against the bible.
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April 20, 2017, 11:59:58 PM
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Article 280. Public Appeals for the Implementation of Extremist Activities

This is a law.
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/fighting-extremism/russia.php

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April 21, 2017, 01:34:39 AM
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Jehovah's witnesses is not your ordinary ultra-religious cult. They are a group of religious fanatics, funded from the Southern United States. The Russian supreme court did the right thing.

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April 21, 2017, 01:34:54 AM
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Jehova's Witnesses should be ban worldwide they are teaching falsely and against the bible.

If they are a cult, sect, I concur, partially. People should be allowed to.practice what they want, if it isn't illegal. With that being said, if it a religion, despite how odious it may be, it should be allowed to exist in a legal manner with the rest of society.

Now, if they can outlaw them knocking on the damned door to hand you those Bible tracts.. They are ninjas with those damned things, if they were Battlefield 4 tripmines, they'd be tactical geniuses Wink
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April 22, 2017, 07:39:44 AM
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I know that some Jehovah's Witnesses are religious fanatics but neither to declare them a "extremist organization" or at least Jehovah's Witnesses from my country are people normal.

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April 22, 2017, 12:41:53 PM
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I know that some Jehovah's Witnesses are religious fanatics but neither to declare them a "extremist organization" or at least Jehovah's Witnesses from my country are people normal.

They are not normal people. It is impossible for people from other religions to reside in areas where these people are a majority. Also, they refuse modern medical practices such as blood transfusion and vaccination, even for children. They are creating unnecessary health risks for themselves, and for the general population.



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April 22, 2017, 03:30:30 PM
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So far I don't see them causing much trouble in my country and they tend to be nice here. Groups that are usually considered fundamentalists elsewhere like the Mormons are fairly benign here, probably because Catholics still outnumber them. I'd definitely take these sects anytime to fundamentalist Islam.

They mostly get into trouble because of disobedience but even there they don't resort to violence, unlike some followers of the religion of peace. This news reminded me of a teen who was imprisoned in Singapore because he refused military service.

I know that some Jehovah's Witnesses are religious fanatics but neither to declare them a "extremist organization" or at least Jehovah's Witnesses from my country are people normal.

They are not normal people. It is impossible for people from other religions to reside in areas where these people are a majority. Also, they refuse modern medical practices such as blood transfusion and vaccination, even for children. They are creating unnecessary health risks for themselves, and for the general population.

Well, that's their choice. As if you need to be one of them to be an anti-vaxxer.  Grin

Sad that children would suffer too but I just like to think they're voluntarily weeding their family out of the gene pool.



               
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April 22, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
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I know that some Jehovah's Witnesses are religious fanatics but neither to declare them a "extremist organization" or at least Jehovah's Witnesses from my country are people normal.

They are not normal people. It is impossible for people from other religions to reside in areas where these people are a majority. Also, they refuse modern medical practices such as blood transfusion and vaccination, even for children. They are creating unnecessary health risks for themselves, and for the general population.

I think they are different depending on where they're located also. I know a couple of people here who are members of this congregation and they're pretty much harmless people who just gives away fliers about their religion on weekends. I think putin thinks of them differently or the sect in russia may have been acting differently from the other parts of the world that's why they were labeled that
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April 22, 2017, 06:56:06 PM
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why they were labeled that

If You check the list of recognised as "extremist" texts, You will see, that the number is big enough.
This structure continued use of such texts and published new texts.
In that way this structure is recognised as "extremist organisation inspiring to hate".

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April 22, 2017, 07:18:31 PM
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I know that some Jehovah's Witnesses are religious fanatics but neither to declare them a "extremist organization" or at least Jehovah's Witnesses from my country are people normal.

They are not normal people. It is impossible for people from other religions to reside in areas where these people are a majority. Also, they refuse modern medical practices such as blood transfusion and vaccination, even for children. They are creating unnecessary health risks for themselves, and for the general population.

I think they are different depending on where they're located also. I know a couple of people here who are members of this congregation and they're pretty much harmless people who just gives away fliers about their religion on weekends. I think putin thinks of them differently or the sect in russia may have been acting differently from the other parts of the world that's why they were labeled that
It's just another example of Putin's struggle for the minds of citizens. Patriarch Kirill wants a monopoly on the religion. Putin is profitable, and they operate in tandem.
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April 22, 2017, 09:02:37 PM
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Former KGB Patriarch Kirill removes competition. Putin and he doesn't need different religions in Russia as an opinion different from the official one. And the worst part is that this Russian-slaves are silent.

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The Jehovah Witnesses as well as the Church of Latter Day Saints are very odd but not any of their doctrines proclaims violence on others. The Russians got it wrong there.



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April 23, 2017, 04:44:40 AM
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Former KGB Patriarch Kirill removes competition. Putin and he doesn't need different religions in Russia as an opinion different from the official one. And the worst part is that this Russian-slaves are silent.

There are a lot of non-Orthodox denominations in Russia, and none of them are targeted. There are Muslims (6% to 7% of the population), Catholics, Buddhists and Shamanists. Ask them if they have ever faced any sort of harassment.

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April 23, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
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Ask them if they have ever faced any sort of harassment.

Quran was recognised as extremist text. http://www.sova-center.ru/misuse/news/persecution/2014/12/d30777/ (In Russian)
But mr. Putin made a special law to unban it.

http://kremlin.ru/acts/news/50759 (In Russian)

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Well, at last people began to wake up from the deception of religion, it is necessary to close all religions and not allow them to lead people.
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Ask them if they have ever faced any sort of harassment.

Quran was recognised as extremist text. http://www.sova-center.ru/misuse/news/persecution/2014/12/d30777/ (In Russian)
But mr. Putin made a special law to unban it.

http://kremlin.ru/acts/news/50759 (In Russian)

There are quite a few verses in the Quran, which can be described as extremist. These verses either preach hatred against the non-believers, or urge the followers of Islam to indulge in acts of terror against the infidels.

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Thanks for all your comments, very interesting.

I loled at the comment of kuril fighting for marketshare, at putin mind control program and at the special quoran law.

Freespeech can only be total. It's a typical binary thing. Or it's full (specially the speech you hate, anger or trigger you) or it isn't. There is no middle ground. If your only option is to censor speech you already lost. Find better arguments and win a friend rather than make a new ennemy.





I think it's not a religion, but a sect.

I don't know much about them, but they don't agree to blood transfusions, even if this could save their lives, which could put them in conflict with the law, especially if a child dies because the parents decided it was a god's choice. I don't think they are terrorists, but they are a closed society with its own rules that in their minds are above the law.


The child wouldn't have been born if the parents knew they couldn't refuse certain life saving health acts on their child. Who does the child belongs too?

One thing that medical history teach, is how little those docs know. It evolves a lot...

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April 24, 2017, 07:00:42 AM
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Well, at last people began to wake up from the deception of religion, it is necessary to close all religions and not allow them to lead people.
Not every religion tries to lead people to darkness. Religion was created to help make people better and somehow treat other humans better as well. What could you possibly recommend that tries to teach that? Ethics? I think it's not that reliable.



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Everybody have there own opinion and freedom of worship,they should be left to practice there religion
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I see no reason to deal with religion. Radical Islam certainly deserves this, but violence will only provoke growth of attacks. I think you need to better educate their children and to prohibit all benefits and privileges for all religions. Over time, believers will not.

Teaching children that Earth is 6000 years old and is flat borders on child abuse, don't you think?

Are you speaking about Jehovah's Witnesses or all religions when you make this odious claim? You do know that not all religious people believe that flat Earth/6,000 year old Earth crap, right?

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The activities of the Jehovah's Witnesses are banned or under severe restrictions in countries such as Singapore, China, and Vietnam, in addition to Russia and the Islamic nations. Also, they are under investigation in various countries for child sexual abuse in the congregations. I would say that these people bring it on to themselves, by refusing to sing the national anthem and salute the national flag.



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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country.




In my country they should do the same thing that russia did



This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Putin and many politicians are evil and commit many crimes, but do you believe that Satan exists? If we admit that Satan exists then does God exist? Why God did not punish Putin?



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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

I saw the news and I wondered what this world is turning into especially from a country that prides itself as a fighter for the Christians against other persecutions. The reason the conclusion, its left to them but from the look of it, Jehovah's Witnesses are present in most countries even where I am and I have not seen them standing as threat to anyone but unfortunately this have to happen.

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

I saw the news and I wondered what this world is turning into especially from a country that prides itself as a fighter for the Christians against other persecutions. The reason the conclusion, its left to them but from the look of it, Jehovah's Witnesses are present in most countries even where I am and I have not seen them standing as threat to anyone but unfortunately this have to happen.

Russia is perhaps the only superpower which defends the rights of Christians in countries where they are under persecution (Syria, Egypt, Iraq.etc). But you must understand that this Jehovah's Witnesses is not a proper Christian sect. It is more like a new age religion or a doomsday cult, which has nothing to do with mainstream Christianity. 



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April 24, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
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Well, at last people began to wake up from the deception of religion, it is necessary to close all religions and not allow them to lead people.
Not every religion tries to lead people to darkness. Religion was created to help make people better and somehow treat other humans better as well. What could you possibly recommend that tries to teach that? Ethics? I think it's not that reliable.

I for one did not find any positive religion. In every religion, people try to manipulate. Ethics seem to me to be more effective.
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Well, at last people began to wake up from the deception of religion, it is necessary to close all religions and not allow them to lead people.
Not every religion tries to lead people to darkness. Religion was created to help make people better and somehow treat other humans better as well. What could you possibly recommend that tries to teach that? Ethics? I think it's not that reliable.

I for one did not find any positive religion. In every religion, people try to manipulate. Ethics seem to me to be more effective.

That's not something that is unique to religion though. There are manipulative people in pretty much every aspect of society.

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Well, at last people began to wake up from the deception of religion, it is necessary to close all religions and not allow them to lead people.
Not every religion tries to lead people to darkness. Religion was created to help make people better and somehow treat other humans better as well. What could you possibly recommend that tries to teach that? Ethics? I think it's not that reliable.
I agree with your perspective, personally I think that @achow102 is out of is mind, the religion is very useful for some people, even if it doesnt really give anything physical, but it can make people mentality stronger, and more resistant to the bad things and habits.

Believing in anything is only your choice, you dont have to believe in Jesus, Mahomet or Buddha, you can become atheist. All that is up to you, and nobody should mess with that. That is why I hate people who are standing against the religion, I have to admit that the whole idea seems stupid for me, but still it is only my opinion and I tolerate the beliefs of the rest of society.

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Jehovah's witnesses is not your ordinary ultra-religious cult. They are a group of religious fanatics, funded from the Southern United States. The Russian supreme court did the right thing.

Yeah, fannatics. They come and knock on my door sunday mornings. When I open to see who it is I usually see a couple of people dressed really nice asking me if I'm interested in joining their religion. I say no really so they leave me some literature and go to the next house.

Oh yeah, real fanatics and terrorists to boot.  Roll Eyes

I think there are enough problems with crazy people we should leave these idiots alone. They are harmless.
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

I saw the news and I wondered what this world is turning into especially from a country that prides itself as a fighter for the Christians against other persecutions. The reason the conclusion, its left to them but from the look of it, Jehovah's Witnesses are present in most countries even where I am and I have not seen them standing as threat to anyone but unfortunately this have to happen.

Russia is perhaps the only superpower which defends the rights of Christians in countries where they are under persecution (Syria, Egypt, Iraq.etc). But you must understand that this Jehovah's Witnesses is not a proper Christian sect. It is more like a new age religion or a doomsday cult, which has nothing to do with mainstream Christianity. 
You're lying. As Russia defends the rights of Christians? Any of the Christians defended the Russians in Syria? Russians in Syria to protect their interests thus cover up their actions with religion. This is a manipulation. Russian always say one thing and do quite another.
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.

I agree. I, too, support the prohibition of all religions. Then there will be less conflicts because of all kinds of religious views.
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.

I agree. I, too, support the prohibition of all religions. Then there will be less conflicts because of all kinds of religious views.

So you're for taking away the individual liberties of billions of people simply because some idiotic extremist factions exist? Do you also support the prohibition of politicians because of all the wars and conflicts started for political reasons? World War I, World War II, the Korean conflict, the Vietnam conflict, Desert Storm... these wars and conflicts were all because of political ideologies, not religious ideologies.

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.

I agree. I, too, support the prohibition of all religions. Then there will be less conflicts because of all kinds of religious views.
I am opposed to ban a religion. "Jehovah's witnesses" was banned by the Communists. And now Putin has shown that he is a Communist. I didn't see any danger of this sect. I'm an atheist, but I believe that to overcome religion can only education.
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I don't think we should ban Jehovah's.

We should ban them cold calling on people front doors though.


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I see no reason to deal with religion. Radical Islam certainly deserves this, but violence will only provoke growth of attacks. I think you need to better educate their children and to prohibit all benefits and privileges for all religions. Over time, believers will not.

Teaching children that Earth is 6000 years old and is flat borders on child abuse, don't you think?

Are you speaking about Jehovah's Witnesses or all religions when you make this odious claim? You do know that not all religious people believe that flat Earth/6,000 year old Earth crap, right?

So ask your God to update your Bible.  I don't care if you believe in the rest of this nonsense.  It is your business. 

Just don't bring it up in the public.  Your beliefs offend my intelligence.  I do not want to see any of it in schools, government offices and at work.
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Whenever you hear or see "Islam"/ "Muslim" what is the next thing coming to your mind? yeah pretty much I just made my point if you are smart enough you know what I mean.

To answer the lost soul posted before me, Quran is the updated and completed version of Bible. and I guess what you want is what every person wants but the world doesn't work in favor of likes of you.
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Whenever you hear or see "Islam"/ "Muslim" what is the next thing coming to your mind? yeah pretty much I just made my point if you are smart enough you know what I mean.

To answer the lost soul posted before me, Quran is the updated and completed version of Bible. and I guess what you want is what every person wants but the world doesn't work in favor of likes of you.
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Go fly on a winged horse like your founder...Your religion is evil, racist, ignorant, misogynistic vile of pure nonsense.  Cultures that adopted your religion are behind the rest of the world in every aspect of
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Is it possible to leave the jehovah witness? What happen to those that do? Let's say switch to islam?  Grin

(I hope you get the "fun" in my question from switch from what ever to islam...).

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I've known of a few Jehovah types. No one can say Russia is exactly the bastion of human rights, but there are certainly elements of their behaviour which easily qualify as a cult. Try leaving them and see what happens.

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I've known of a few Jehovah types. No one can say Russia is exactly the bastion of human rights, but there are certainly elements of their behaviour which easily qualify as a cult. Try leaving them and see what happens.

If a witness of jehovah leave to join islam, jehovah witness are in trouble... a fatwa from peshawar and gone. Ahaha... i find this very funny.

Seriously, what happen when leaving for a non radical muslim extremist congregation? Let's say to become atheist (aka only backed by the state whose forces are fighting the drug war)...

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I've known of a few Jehovah types. No one can say Russia is exactly the bastion of human rights, but there are certainly elements of their behaviour which easily qualify as a cult. Try leaving them and see what happens.

They are not an ordinary cult. There were instances where people were driven to suicide as a result of constant harassment and blackmail from the Jehovah's Witnesses leaders.

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I see no reason to deal with religion. Radical Islam certainly deserves this, but violence will only provoke growth of attacks. I think you need to better educate their children and to prohibit all benefits and privileges for all religions. Over time, believers will not.

Teaching children that Earth is 6000 years old and is flat borders on child abuse, don't you think?

Are you speaking about Jehovah's Witnesses or all religions when you make this odious claim? You do know that not all religious people believe that flat Earth/6,000 year old Earth crap, right?

So ask your God to update your Bible.  I don't care if you believe in the rest of this nonsense.  It is your business. 

Just don't bring it up in the public.  Your beliefs offend my intelligence.  I do not want to see any of it in schools, government offices and at work.
At home, you can believe in whatever Osiris myth you like.



I hardly see how my beliefs offend your "intelligence." I don't believe the Earth is flat or only 6,000 years old. I've read the Bible and there is nothing in there that makes me believe those things either.

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?
Jehovah witnesses that practice their religion purposefully and peacefully term religion extreme.Party and killed innocent people in Syria and others part of the world by Russian air planes is not evils take too extreme. This is Satanism in high order and Putin and his administration should be called to order before thing get out of hand for his citizen. I know God will not fold his hand over this.

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April 25, 2017, 08:19:27 AM
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?
Jehovah witnesses that practice their religion purposefully and peacefully term religion extreme.Party and killed innocent people in Syria and others part of the world by Russian air planes is not evils take too extreme. This is Satanism in high order and Putin and his administration should be called to order before thing get out of hand for his citizen. I know God will not fold his hand over this.

You don't know much about the Jehovah's Witnesses. That is why you are claiming that they are practicing their religion peacefully. They are anything but peaceful. And regarding the Syrian strikes, not only Russia but the US is also bombing the militants.

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?
Jehovah witnesses that practice their religion purposefully and peacefully term religion extreme.Party and killed innocent people in Syria and others part of the world by Russian air planes is not evils take too extreme. This is Satanism in high order and Putin and his administration should be called to order before thing get out of hand for his citizen. I know God will not fold his hand over this.

They peacefully do not practice this religion, they get there as a sect and then they are very difficult to pull out from there. People become zombified, unable to think independently.
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?
Jehovah witnesses that practice their religion purposefully and peacefully term religion extreme.Party and killed innocent people in Syria and others part of the world by Russian air planes is not evils take too extreme. This is Satanism in high order and Putin and his administration should be called to order before thing get out of hand for his citizen. I know God will not fold his hand over this.

You don't know much about the Jehovah's Witnesses. That is why you are claiming that they are practicing their religion peacefully. They are anything but peaceful. And regarding the Syrian strikes, not only Russia but the US is also bombing the militants.
And what do you know about them? You are faced with their aggression? I am sure that there. Of course you can find some fake example from the Internet, but on a personal example I am sure that there. As for bombing, the US bombed cities.
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April 25, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
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If a witness of jehovah leave to join islam, jehovah witness are in trouble... a fatwa from peshawar and gone. Ahaha... i find this very funny.

Seriously, what happen when leaving for a non radical muslim extremist congregation? Let's say to become atheist (aka only backed by the state whose forces are fighting the drug war)...

Obviously you're not going to have your head cut off, but it's very similar to Scientology in terms of the insularity and pressure to reject the outside world. If you leave them there's a good chance you also lose your friends and family if they remain involved. And you become a non person.

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And what do you know about them? You are faced with their aggression? I am sure that there. Of course you can find some fake example from the Internet, but on a personal example I am sure that there. As for bombing, the US bombed cities.

During the past 2-3 years, the Americans have bombed schools, kindergartens, hospitals and clinics in Syria and Afghanistan. In Yemen, the Saudis have been using American made bombs and aircraft to kill tens of thousands of Shiite civilians. The media remains silent on these atrocities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Let us first study and know the reason behind why the Jehovahs Witnesses are being called an extremist party. It doesnt mean that if you are a religious group all of your works and activities are good since the leaders may also be prone or weak to corruption and maybe controlled by a third party. As of this time we dont know what is the real score behind the scenes and that is why it is hard to Judge as to who was wrong in this point.

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

This is just a testimony to the ruthlessness of Russia’s authoritarian regime. But it was a very important blow against the principle of freedom of belief.

Personally, I have a buddy who is with Jehovah's Witnesses. And from what I understand they are anti-violent religious group. They are opposed to war. So why did Russia declared them extremist organization then?

I suspect that because they refuses military services. Russia is a superpower and are building a stronger military unit. But if Russian Jehovah's witness don't want to go to military service because they its against their religion, then they will be persecuted. But I don't think that only Jehovah's are being persecuted in Russia because of their religion. I speculate than even Catholics and Protestant as well. In Russia, it is yet another testimony to the ruthless and brutal dishonesty of the Putin regime.

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Personally, I have a buddy who is with Jehovah's Witnesses. And from what I understand they are anti-violent religious group. They are opposed to war. So why did Russia declared them extremist organization then?

The Jehovah's Witnesses are non-violent on the outside, and ultra-violent on the inside. The mainstream media never reports violence made by the Jehovah's Witnesses, because most of the time the violence is directed towards their own coreligionists, and towards those who try to leave the sect and lead normal lives.



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April 26, 2017, 07:55:14 AM
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Hmm... Call me an old fashion atheist but in my country lots of "religious organizations" are banned because of their extremism.

That might not be the case of Jehovah's witnesses but it might happen.
I mean the guys are obviously completely crazy! All of them! They harass people and try to push them to join them even harder than political parties during campaigns xD

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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.

Youd feel right at home in stalinist Russia, comrade.

Now, I do believe in clear separation of church and state. Yet, legislature already in place prosecutes things like approval of terrorism or hate speech. Even though marxists (who coincidentally hate religion other than their own) are often extempt from it. Yeah, I am looking at Antifa, Greens and Black Lives Matter morons sucking up to George Soros.

Banning entire organization as "extremist" bordelines on collective guilt and that doesnt bode well with me. We are talking Jehovah Witnesses, who preach and practice paficism, not Al-Queda here.

So how are you going to enforce the ban? By putting the believers in concentration camps for "resocialization"? All the while giving Islamic State fighters housing and jobs to "integrate" them back into society? Thats the way west is going. The more violent and evil scum is, the more rewards you marxists sow upon them.

I withold my judgment until I see reasoning behind the desicision by russian prosecutors. I think they made mistake.
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.

Youd feel right at home in stalinist Russia, comrade.

Now, I do believe in clear separation of church and state. Yet, legislature already in place prosecutes things like approval of terrorism or hate speech. Even though marxists (who coincidentally hate religion other than their own) are often extempt from it. Yeah, I am looking at Antifa, Greens and Black Lives Matter morons sucking up to George Soros.

Banning entire organization as "extremist" bordelines on collective guilt and that doesnt bode well with me. We are talking Jehovah Witnesses, who preach and practice paficism, not Al-Queda here.

So how are you going to enforce the ban? By putting the believers in concentration camps for "resocialization"? All the while giving Islamic State fighters housing and jobs to "integrate" them back into society? Thats the way west is going. The more violent and evil scum is, the more rewards you marxists sow upon them.

I withold my judgment until I see reasoning behind the desicision by russian prosecutors. I think they made mistake.


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I don't know where or how this religion originated but i've known a quite a number of jehiva's witnesses and they don't really show any characteristics close to even be considered extremist. Perhaps it depends on where they are and the culture of the country they belong to but for me i don't see any reason why my country would make the same decision about them
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Russia's Supreme court declared extremist activity "administrative center of Jehovah's witnesses in Russia" and forbade his work in the country. This decision was taken on April 20. Who still do not believe that Putin is the embodiment of Satan?

Great.  I hope other governments will crack down on all other religions as well.

It is about time we ban religion.

Youd feel right at home in stalinist Russia, comrade.

Now, I do believe in clear separation of church and state. Yet, legislature already in place prosecutes things like approval of terrorism or hate speech. Even though marxists (who coincidentally hate religion other than their own) are often extempt from it. Yeah, I am looking at Antifa, Greens and Black Lives Matter morons sucking up to George Soros.

Banning entire organization as "extremist" bordelines on collective guilt and that doesnt bode well with me. We are talking Jehovah Witnesses, who preach and practice paficism, not Al-Queda here.

So how are you going to enforce the ban? By putting the believers in concentration camps for "resocialization"? All the while giving Islamic State fighters housing and jobs to "integrate" them back into society? Thats the way west is going. The more violent and evil scum is, the more rewards you marxists sow upon them.

I withold my judgment until I see reasoning behind the desicision by russian prosecutors. I think they made mistake.


Dude, please try to use correct words...

Saying that BLM is "marxist" is not only false, it's stupid as fuck. That's like completely unrelated, that has nothing to do with marxism...
Do you even know what does the word mean?
I have the feeling you use the word "marxist" exactly as some morons use the word "fascist" for organization which are not political just because it displeases them...

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I don't know where or how this religion originated but i've known a quite a number of jehiva's witnesses and they don't really show any characteristics close to even be considered extremist. Perhaps it depends on where they are and the culture of the country they belong to but for me i don't see any reason why my country would make the same decision about them
It really is a very peaceful sect. Can somehow relate to the different sects from the point of view of the interpretation of religious issues, but to recognize Jehovah's witnesses as extremist organization is nonsense. Nothing but corruption fight against competitors in this decision, I do not see. Probably this sect refused to agitate the congregation to the war with Ukraine.
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April 26, 2017, 03:45:27 PM
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I don't know where or how this religion originated but i've known a quite a number of jehiva's witnesses and they don't really show any characteristics close to even be considered extremist. Perhaps it depends on where they are and the culture of the country they belong to but for me i don't see any reason why my country would make the same decision about them

I think this religion is less harmless than everyone else, but they probably do not want to cooperate with the state, so they were banned.
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