Where are you 'Iamnotback'?

[the_end_is_near]

A reminder to moderators, @dinofelis and I are continuing this discussion because it pertains to the ban and the fact that BCT does not allow formation of groups.

Yep, Usenet wasn’t easy-to-use nor could it remain popular with the much better user experiences with current websites.

That was just a matter of making a better newsreader client.  I think that was not the problem.  It is true that usenet originated in the unix/command line/text interface world, and its traditional users probably didn't see any reason to switch to some fancy graphical interface and "feature-hiding", but it could easily have evolved.  As I said, that was not, IMO, the principal reason for its abandoning.

The user experience includes the fact that without moderation Usenet was disorganized mess.

And sorry but you are incorrect. Everything I wrote about why it died is correct.

Technically there were all sorts of problems and the lack of monetization due to the fact that it was a not a blockchain with a monetization model. And it sucked and no one had the incentive (or even the top-down power to) to organize and improve the system holistically.

Frankly, @dinofelis but I know my field of software very well. I have been a specialist in this field for 38 years.

I never had any technical issues, honestly.

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But usenet worked very reliably, technically.  No "bad user experience" (if you didn't mind command line client software and ascii, but on a VT-100 terminal, you mostly didn't have anything else in any case !).

Incorrrect. See the linked references above.

You are conflating decentralized with disorganized shit. Decentralized software systems can be indistinguishable in terms of user experience from centralized software systems. That is your broken clock aliasing error again. I do not understand why your brain continually does this. You seem like you have a very high intellect, but you seem to so often make these egregious errors of logic.

As I said, and I've been using usenet for more than a decade, it wasn't "disorganized shit" at all

Incorrect.

You were close to correct. They actually want tribal leaders. They want to compare reputations, because this is what humans have always done in tribes.

But you are incorrect to equate this with a single centralized authority. Humans are quite well adapted to forming groups with group leaders.

Now, there can be dynamics in the "decentralized layer" of tribal leaders (for instance, warfare) that have the tendency to make only one the dominant one ; or there can be dynamics that will rather make it difficult to dominate.  Depending on the dynamical laws of the system, there will be convergence to a "natural monopoly" or not.    Things which have network effect tend to have this convergence towards monopoly, and discussion forums are part of that.

Twitter is a prime example of group leaders yet interacting for a larger economy-of-scale network effects.

Each person’s Twitter feed is their own self-moderated domain, yet these group leaders do choose to interact and cite tweets by each other. Each top level tweet is analogous to a new self-moderated forum thread. Then discussion proceeds in that thread.

So there is already a very popular precedent for what I want to do. The major distinction is that Twitter does sometimes remove content and with a blockchain that will be impossible. And the other major distinction is that Twitter’s database is closed source so that no one can build alternative clients and ways of interacting with the data. With a blockchain, new sorts of apps and forum designs can sprout spontaneously without any permission nor interference from a centralized overlord (e.g. Twitter or Theymos).

In fact, they like being part of their own tribe within their Dunbar limit. Theymos’ mistake is he is trying for one-size-fits-all site-wide reputation and moderation authority, which is devolving into a clusterfuck because humans need to be able to splinter off into competing tribes (teams). They will rip each others heads off until they are allowed to form tribes within their Dunbar limit of closer like-minded relationships.

Well that's not Theymos' "fault".  He's just the tribal leader of the tribe that became a natural monopoly.  If you want to be part of his tribe, there's not much else to do but to submit to his rules (or stay under the radar).

Sorry but you yet again do not grasp the point.

Theymos’ has not improved the software so that groups can form within the monolith of BCT. I do not know why you are so obstinate and refuse to grasp points that are made to you. It makes it very frustrating to have a discussion with you. It is when you make replies like this, I doubt whether you have a high intellect.

Usenet wasn't a "database".  That's important. It was a *discussion* of which old interactions disappeared.

Group leaders will never tolerate such a system. Would never become popular because the flock follow where the tribal leaders go.

That's exactly why I think that usenet got abandoned ; because people wanted tribal leaders (= centralisation = hierarchy and authority).

You can not seem to wrap your mind around the concept that there are levels of decentralization. A single top-down control which does not allow the natural splintering of top-down groups as the usership grows beyond the Dunbar limit, is thus going to stagnate and die. Which is what is happening now to BCT. Whereas, Twitter which does allow natural fitness of splintering into group formation is thriving. Whereas, Usenet which was derelict in so many ways and moderated groups was added as an after thought and did not function that well compared to other options that group leaders have, thus died.

We build systems for the group leaders. They are the most important users.

The group leaders will drive the demand for the decentralized systems, because they do not want to invest in closed source, because they risk their investment being stolen by the centralized authority of the closed source.

Forum software is mostly open source... (?)

The database of this forum is not open source.

I disagree. I often refer back to my discussions to remember what I was thinking. Can you remember everything you ever said and thought   Even if you can, how many people can do that?

I can remember a lot of what I have written. Maybe 500 pages of it, but not verbatim. I can remember well enough to use Google to find the post I want.

That's actually one of your irritating posting habits.

Quoting is disruptive to discussion and I contemplated how we might think about striking a better balance.

I forget about immediately what I say (even though by saying it, I improved a conceptual understanding of something).   It is like an oral conversation: you simply have to say again whatever it might have been what you were saying before.  I consider a discussion "without memory", and arguments only to be valid at the moment of discussion in the flow of the arguments.  Of course, during some "back and forth" in a *given discussion*, one can refer to some earlier posts if they inspired a reply to a reply or something, but indeed, everything from more than a week ago should be forgotten (and in my case, mostly IS forgotten).  

Logical reasoning is "instantaneous", well, for the length of the argument, and is then "back into the bit bucket", just like in the case of an oral conversation.  You are not going to have people listen to pre-recorded older conversations in a given conversation, are you ?

Your group will be enjoined by people who want to have the sort of discussion you like. My group will be enjoined by those who like my German attention to detail (I do have German ancestry and some Germans are known to write an accounting of everything they ever buy). Note I also have Welsh, southern French, and Cherokee native American ancestry as well. So I have a mix of ancestral personality types. Sometimes I will do a very rash/erratic/belligerent action, and that is probably my Cherokee genetics. I am very creative so I am not just your typical boring German, which I attribute to the exotic mix of Welsh, French, and Cherokee.

What will be ironic is after all your obstinance here in this thread, you’ll probably ending using Bitnet and loving it.

Decentralization does not necessarily mean that there are no group leaders. You are thinking in terms of absolute decentralization, but there is no absolute. Decentralize all the atoms in our bodies, we can not even post anything, and that is still not absolute.

Ah, to me, yes. Decentralization is the total absence of hierarchy, leadership and the perfect "flatness" of all command and control - which can only happen in a totally disorganized system.

Then splinter yourself into the smallest known particles or wave actions known in the universe, yet you still will never be maximally disordered because the 2nd law of Thermo says entropy is always trending to maximum.

There are levels of decentralization, and there are no absolutes in our universe.

Disorder and decentralization are not the same concept. You are conflating. Decentralization is about distributing the control of a system. It does not mean the distribution has to be maximal to the point that there is no control whatsoever (complete disorder, i.e. maximum uncertainty and random chance).

Ok, well, to me, both notions are the same.

Aliasing error again.

I'm not saying that a decentralized system cannot implement dynamics that naturally evolve towards forms of leadership, but I consider then that they centralize ; unless they also contain dynamical rules that destroy these leaders, so that leadership is an ephemeral phenomenon.

You are concerned that any system which can centralize will grow ever more centralized.

Actually that is an incorrect fear about the way nature is. That happens in fungible finance because fungible finance is a winner-take-all paradigm:

Edit: we are having a discussion over at slack and Craig Wright (@csw) the self-proclaimed Satoshi Nakamoto is participating. I am posting there as @anonymint:

https://pastebin.com/S6quvGMk

tula [3:05 AM]
@anonymint ok thx.. so it was as i thought ..you assume unregulated blocksize leads to 100% centralization ..because bigger pools have an advantage over smaller pools (no shit)
thus "proving" that bitcoin does not work (is a ponzi scheme) and we need a central bank.
also mathematically proving that generally free market capitalism does not work and thus the only system that works is communism (this should give you a hint where i think you made a mistake) (edited)

anonymint [9:59 AM]
@tula correct fungible finance is always a winner-take-all paradigm. Marxism rose up (as promoted by the shadow elite to give us a way to deceive ourselves and keep  us preoccupied) as a false antithesis because it is also a loser-take-all paradigm. Neither of these are the solution. But I have good news for you. Both of those paradigms are dying and I know the solution. The death of fungible money is underway and the rise of Inverse Commons in the knowledge age is coming (see links below for more details). My project is all about this. This is why @dinofelis says I have a confirmation bias on my conspiracy theories, yet my math and logic is cogent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18526830#msg18526830
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18505797#msg18505797

But humans actually refuse to remain in groups larger than their Dunbar limit. They can only be enticed to do so by massive debt-based bribes of socialism, but this is not sustainable.

The masses want hierarchy, bosses and central authority.

Nope they will kill each other if locked into a single grouping and they can not fork off into tribes. That is why the future of the EU is going to be so horrific because the EU refuses to allow the different groups to have their own governance.

I'm not talking about a SINGLE grouping, but *every* form of sustained grouping.  Tribal groupings are also, as I said, centralized from the point of view of a tribe member.  Whether you have to obey to your tribe leader, or you have to obey to the king of the world, doesn't really matter from the point of view of a member.

Users will have the freedom to join different groups and even create their own groups, as they do on Twitter.

P.S. more links on why EU is going to have a hard crash landing:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/hunting-tourists-in-europe-for-fines/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/french-elections-a-sell-signal-long-term-for-the-eu-regardless-of-who-wins/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/poland-the-next-crisis-for-the-eu-independent-sovereignty-is-the-issue/

Nope we are all in the majority of being tribal.

I'm not very tribal.

You do appear to be an oddball. I do not see how you cope in society since you believe in absolute decentralization which can not exist. We could get into the theoretical Physics of that, but not now.

I view you as a pessimist curmudgeon. You dislike humanity and wish they’d all be culled (except as you said some of your friends which means you are tribal). But humanity is actually fantastically creative.

I still am inspired by humanity. Of course I would like to be able to filter the trolls from my group, but I would not want to ban them from the view of others who wish to see their posts.

[kiklo]

So Iamnotback got a perma ban for ban evasion, after posting a few of the same posts.

Lauda , who commits extortion on BTC Talk members , not only is allowed to stay and sully the names of others on a whim.

Why has Lauda not been perma banned , where I come from Extortion is a much greater offense , than simply having multiple posts.

Why is Lauda receiving favoritism and Iamnotback receiving the extreme punishment.

Lauda is the one that should be Perma Banned not Iamnotback!


 


FYI:
This guy got banned for Plagiarizing content.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1902351.0

If he had only committed extortion instead , then he be fine as Lauda. 
What kind of fucked up system is this, that Plagiarizing and multiple posting is Worse than Extortion!

[jonald_fyookball]

While we're on the topic, Lauda is obviously a blockstream shill... Gmaxwell is abusing the trust system as well, downvoting me and upvoting lauda and carlton banks.

[Lecter]

the_end_is_near:

Where are you currently posting besides BCT?

[the_end_is_near]

@kiklo and @jonald_fyookball, well good luck on fighting the system. I just think we need a system that each of us can own and not depend on anyone to get what we want. With a blockchain based forum, we will each own our investment in forum discussions, followers, and group formation. I prefer to work on a solution, rather than fighting within the system here.

the_end_is_near:

Where are you currently posting besides BCT?

Trying to stop posting and do coding instead. Actually when @iamnotback was recently banned, I remarked in private that it was probably the best favor for me, to force me to stop using so much time posting. Prior bans I didn't accept, because I wasn't yet in the position (nor health) to actuate plans. I accept this ban now.

I will be back to posting (not here) as soon as I can get Bitnet launched.

Watch for an announcement on my Steemit (you can follow me there). Also I presume some others will be following me there, and then pass along the ANN on BCT.

Bitnet is the tentative name and I've tried to think of a better name, and so far I had been admonished and told Bitnet is the best name. So I am assuming that will probably stick.

[jonald_fyookball]

@kiklo and @jonald_fyookball, well good luck on fighting the system. I just think we need a system that each of us can own and not depend on anyone to get what we want. With a blockchain based forum, we will each own our investment in forum discussions, followers, and group formation. I prefer to work on a solution, rather than fighting within the system here.

the_end_is_near:

Where are you currently posting besides BCT?

Trying to stop posting and do coding instead. Actually when @iamnotback was recently banned, I remarked in private that it was probably the best favor for me, to force me to stop using so much time posting. Prior bans I didn't accept, because I wasn't yet in the position (nor health) to actuate plans. I accept this ban now.

I will be back to posting (not here) as soon as I can get Bitnet launched.

Watch for an announcement on my Steemit (you can follow me there). Also I presume some others will be following me there, and then pass along the ANN on BCT.

Bitnet is the tentative name and I've tried to think of a better name, and so far I had been admonished and told Bitnet is the best name. So I am assuming that will probably stick.

I'm not trying to fight anything, just taking the opportunity to point out some malicious actors.

[the_end_is_near]

Since @kiklo’s thread is locked, I want to relay from PMs that he had been undergoing very bad back pain, so that might be another reason he lashed out so aggressively, even though his angst was justifiable, I tried to point out to him that nobody cares that much that the forum is flawed, because we are all too busy making money speculating on altcoins while BTC also continues to rise. So economically, no one has an incentive to change what appears to be working for drawing in more newbies so all boats keep rising. I also suggested he consider barbell workouts for the holistic health benefits of HGH. @kiklo is 84 years old! I think Theymos should treat his elders with more respect! @kiklo is my elder as I am only a spring chicken at age 52. An 84 year old man that apparently coded his own altcoin impresses me.

Remember this. All of you millennials are going to be old someday, and then you will also have physical limitations/pains/fatigue, and wish that people will have some consideration for all that you've accomplished and worked hard for in your life. Or maybe y'all just all commit suicide because you're failed fantasies, dominated by the hard working Asians, and jaded attitude may make you all too depressed when you get old. What happened to being nice to old people? It made me feel good to show extra consideration to my grandparents and they were also very loving to me.

I think Theymos does not understand the older generation. We elders come from a time where word-of-honor and respecting each other was a paramount virtue. The younger Twitter generation has a more jaded and disposable view of family, tribe, and honor. The Millennials are the “throw away” generation. Many of them do not respect anyone and as @mprep demonstrated upthread, they do not respect production and want to cut everyone down in a crab bucket mentality just “for the lolz”. I believe (not in every individual case of course but overall) the Asians (Chinese especially) are going to kick ass on the western Millennials, because they have stronger family values and want to accomplish something for their parents and community. Note however, there is some value in being flexible, doing the easiest things first (e.g. 1 line tweets), and not taking online crap too seriously. In that respect, we might expect Millennials to find the sweet spots of production. We elders need to also adapt.

I believe that is bullshit lies that Craig Wright is writing in Slack about Theymos and Cobra-Bitcoin being involved in cybercrime and botnets formerly for pharma spam, then mining, and now DDoS for hire. Theymos is between 25 (he said 21 on his AMA 4 years ago) and 26 (DOB on a doxx was 1991) years old. He got involved in Bitcoin because he heard something on 4chan. He works as a web programmer for the State Senate of Wisconsin. He is/was a CompSci student of University of Wisconsin at Madison. Sirus turned over his role in BCT and Bitcoin.org to an anonymous person Cobra-Bitcoin. Sirus says that he and Theymos only managed the domains and the domains are actually owned by someone Satoshi trusted. It is strikingly notable that Theymos has been annointed to have so much control over those two domains plus r/BTC. Me thinks Theymos knows many things he is not telling us. On his AMA, he ignored the question asking if he was involved somehow in the government with his role in Bitcoin. But I can only speculate.

[KikloV2]

@Shelby,

It was a pleasure meeting you.
Lauda aka Theymos just banned me.

Good Luck with your Projects.  

Kiklo has left the Building.


FYI:
Why was Kiklo banned?
Because Lauda is Theymos!


FYI2:
What really sucks is this newbie account was only a few short of no longer being a newbie.  

[criptix]

Much drama while i was busy 

Sad to see that there wont be any compromise, but well - it was pretty much written on the wall.

Good luck for bitnet, i will try to put an eye on it!

[the_end_is_near]

The mods do not want you to know the reality about Bitcoin.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

@Dorky the chart of reality refutes you:

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc.html

[hv_]

Hey friends, cool thread here, looks like a new legend Mods-Observer in the making?


 

[the_end_is_near]

Farewell to BCT with this final post. Follows a summary of wisdom (re-)gained.

Just this week at the 4th of the 6 month antibiotic treatment for my 6+ year disseminated (e.g. gut, lymph nodes, brain, lungs) Tuberculosis infection, has my health improved such that I can function normally in work and daily intense athletics without crashing. I want to code and think about code only. This speculative trading and Internet discussions activity is a huge distraction that will destroy my focus on the Bitnet project if I do not cease it. That would be a damn shame.

So to K.I.S.S. principle, I am remaining in BTC and if LTC drops to 0.009, then I will buy. I have no strong compelling reason I must buy here at 0.0115. I need to not lose money, more than I need to make money. My BTC is for my expenses so I can focus on my programming and complete Bitnet pronto. And I need my regular sleeping patterns, not being slave to staring at a trading screen.

The hypothesis since April 2 was that in 2013 LTC had to move towards 0.03 then 0.05 in April and November, in order for BTC to start moving towards a significant new ATH. When LTC caught up at 0.05 in November, then BTC crashed and we entered a 3 year winter. Why wouldn’t that pattern repeat. Remember the majority is always wrong. If everybody is afraid LTC will crash (and BTC has peaked), then LTC will not crash and BTC has not peaked. When everyone starts thinking BTC to $10,000 or $100,000, that is when BTC has peaked at perhaps $4000. Just remember that any linear increase in blocksize such as 2MB + SegWit does not resolve nor stop the exponentially rising transaction fees which will force everyone off chain, and even SegWit enables Lightning Networks which places more demand for on chain transactions for settlement of off chain centralized Mt. Box aggregators who will easily afford to pay $60,000 per transaction fees. Every blockchain consensus technology to date is winner-take-all political struggle of the whales. And we have a Dot.com-like ICO bubble that will probably also soon burst. Are we really surprised that the recent scalability agreement is not a panacea and thus BTC price is not going to the moon in a straight line.

Edit: In that ICO link above, Ethereum is Netcape and I hope Bitnet will be Firefox, W3C standards, Chrome, and the iPhone.

The main impediment was the illness. You could research what chronic illness does to a human. You really have no way to understand it. Imagine you had to spend the next 6 years inside a barrel of oil with a breathing tube.

Try to code drunk with someone punching you in the stomach while working and get food poisoning also. Something like that describes my condition before these antibiotics. The high dose vitamin d3 would give me enough hormones to fight through a 2 hour workout, but the crashing after it was like my first sentence. I am not exaggerating. It was really horrible. My intense desire not to fail somehow super-willed me to get some work done, but when I remember working in that chronic illness condition, I shudder.

That is 100% truth.

That description didn't really accurately describe the malaise though. It is like you are asleep and can't not wake up. And very bad feeling in your head and body. And feel so fatigue can not hold your eyes open, but if you lay down you can not sleep either. I really can not describe it well. Until you have experience it, you can not know the feeling.

The feeling is so horrible. You just wish it would end. You wish you could just sleep and never wake up. I need to think about how to describe it with words such that someone could visualize the feelings.

Unlike in a normal health, we enjoy being awake. We feel interested to do things.

During my 6+ year sickness or especially the last 2 - 3 years, doing anything (including doing nothing) was so horrible and difficult. You just want it to all end.

The only thing I could do was fight and try to be productive so as to try to not think about it, but it is nearly impossible to ignore it. Ah I really can not describe it. Just so very thankful I am feeling better, even if I still have a little bit of the symptoms remaining.

yeah I remember those moments you had lost the hope and were talking about just starting to run somewhere and run until you die, can't really imagine what it was like

if you didn't have your athletic spirit and talent you wouldnt' be here today, I'm certain

when someone is sick normally with fever or stomach flu or even has a hangover, the knowledge that it'll be over in a few hours or days makes it bearable.. but if there's no hope that tomorrow will be any better, then... well let's just say I'm happy I haven't had to experience it!

Yeah sort of like that!

But now I wake up and I am interested to do things. I am enjoying life mostly.  Still some symptoms but not so continuously and not so horrible. Just slight.

It certainly would be. Do you feel your stance on discussion has changed for the better? Has it been helping at all?

When I was a very productive programmer in the 1980s and 1990s (before I was attacked and lost my right eye on 12/1/1999), there was no Internet (or at least I did not participate in any Internet discussions). I started to dabble in Internet discussions around 2005.

What I have learned during this illness when I spent a lot of time exploring, learning, and discussing on the Internet, is that it is a valuable activity for gaining awareness and information, but it is a horrible activity for coding productivity. So to mix the two is not good.

Also it has helped for me to learn the importance of posting more judiciously and with more careful thought about writing positively and just not post if it would be negative and/or if it is not that important. We can not discuss every minutiae (minute detail) with others and expect to get any productivity in our own work. Our minds move much faster than we can communicate. Which is precisely why the Mythical Man Month exists and why the future is Inverse Commons (open source and everyone thinks on their own and contributes to a commons which improves and does not have a tragedy-of-the-commons).

Fungible money was important for aggregating economies-of-scale during the fungible mass production age (agriculture and factories). They are winner-take-all paradigms. Bitnet and Inverse Commons are about individualized production.

But yeah it has been very helpful to observe how you communicate positively and thinking about how I can handle discussion with different personalities.

The key is reduce (especially PUBLIC) posting and think a lot before posting something. If it is not valuable enough to put enough time into thinking out carefully (and thinking about the potential pitfalls of the people in the discussion), then do not post on that issue. Every PUBLIC post is a liability that has a cost. They are not free. So I must budget my public posts more carefully.

That is not for judging others. It is a diverse world. Everyone should be free to do it their own way, because we need diversity. So when I communicate, I need to think more about the liability, costs, and pitfalls, and not blame nature for being a snake pit of diversity that can suck up order into disorder. The Second Law of Thermodynamics requires it to be so. Order is not anti-fragile, thus the less of it we require, then the more conducive our activities to the trend of maximum entropy. In other words, be like water in the sense of not creating unnecessary burdens, not by doubling-down on a clusterfuck as @Skalpell demanded, but by not participating in the clusterfuck.

And if we sell any of the smallish premine on exchanges (maybe our own decentralized exchange per my discussion with @miscreanity last month), those are fungible, unlocked tokens. We can just sit on the Ask for the volume rate which we need to sell to meet our expenses. Those investors who are astute will be buying when it is under the radar and underpriced. So gradually onboarded tokens will become free trading (unlocked) so they can also be traded on exchanges. But locked up tokens can still be transferred, i.e. spent to app devs, they just are not fungible for exchange trading.

In other words, we do not stop the locked tokens (awarded to users in return for the activity to encourage onboarding) from being transferred, but they can not appear as transaction inputs with other tokens that have a different lock period. We might also limit the rate at which locked up tokens can be transferred, so that they can be transferred in smallish amounts for spending to app devs, but not viable for exchanging in bulk.

Once the lock period expires, the tokens are free trading and fully fungible.

The entire point is that onboarded users can not just join and then sell their tokens too fast. They can spend them for apps and other services on Bitnet (providing revenue to encourage more apps and developers), and they also see the tokens rising in value over time (their balance growing), thus they learn to value the tokens and not cash out. It is sort of a teach by forced experience. I can imagine some users leaving and forgeting about it, then later realizing it has become valuable and coming back. A form of long-term stickiness.

you have been thinking this non stop for the last years, and it shows.. if you had rushed something way earlier it probably wouln't have been the success Bitnet has a real chance to be

your plan has multiple attributes feeding each other into a positive cycle, like onboarding, if it goes viral, app devs will find the large audience irresistable, and the more and better apps there will be the more people will spend the tokens within th ecosystem and tell their friends etc

but it can also be a chicken-egg problem, hopefully it's gonna be the former

Yes it would have been worse if I had rushed. But I could not rush. I was really ill. In hindsight, I was much more ill than perhaps you realize.

The hen-egg problem resolves itself if you have something that the participants need. I am creating a decentralized foundation on which others can build without the problems of centralized systems. I think a wealth of advantages will percolate out of it. I am an idea machine, so I will just keep adding features and advantages and eventually it will gain traction. The long-term quality product wins in the end. But obviously we must launch something within this year, else we are getting too late.

Decentralization is the theme of the coming global transformation given the developing short dollar vortex will drive safe haven capital stampeding into the USA with the 40+ year sovereign bond bubble peaking in 2018 and ensuing waterfall collapse, devolution of the West accelerates next year and then the civil war in the USA and collapse starts in 2022 with Asia’s coming flash crash bottoming in 2020. By 2032, Shanghai and Singapore will replace (see also) New York and London as the financial capitals (centers) of the world.

(Philippines standard time is GMT+0700)

[jbreher]

Farewell to BCT with this final post. Follows a summary of wisdom (re-)gained.

Just this week at the 4th of the 6 month antibiotic treatment for my 6+ year disseminated (e.g. gut, lymph nodes, brain, lungs) Tuberculosis infection, has my health improved such that I can function normally in work and daily intense athletics without crashing. I want to code and think about code only. This speculative trading and Internet discussions activity is a huge distraction that will destroy my focus on the Bitnet project if I do not cease it. That would be damn shame.

So to K.I.S.S. principle, I am remaining in BTC and if LTC drops to 0.009, then I will buy. I have no strong compelling reason I must buy here at 0.0115. I need to not lose money, more than I need to make money. My BTC is for my expenses so I can focus on my programming and complete Bitnet pronto. And I need my regular sleeping patterns, not being slave to staring at a trading screen.

The hypothesis since April 2 was that in 2013 LTC had to move towards 0.03 then 0.05 in April and November, in order for BTC to start moving towards a significant new ATH. When LTC caught up at 0.05 in November, then BTC crashed and we entered a 3 year winter. Why wouldn’t that pattern repeat. Remember the majority is always wrong. If everybody is afraid LTC will crash (and BTC has peaked), then LTC will not crash and BTC has not peaked. When everyone starts thinking BTC to $10,000 or $100,000, that is when BTC has peaked at perhaps $4000. Just remember that any linear increase in blocksize such as 2MB + SegWit does not resolve nor stop the exponentially rising transaction fees which will force everyone off chain, and even SegWit enables Lightning Networks which places more demand for on chain transactions for settlement of off chain centralized Mt. Box aggregators who will easily afford to pay $60,000 per transaction fees. Every blockchain consensus technology to date is winner-take-all political struggle of the whales. And we have a Dot.com-like ICO bubble that will probably also soon burst. Are we really surprised that the recent scalability agreement is not a panacea and thus BTC price is not going to the moon in a straight line.

The main impediment was the illness. You could research what chronic illness does to a human. You really have no way to understand it. Imagine you had to spend the next 6 years inside a barrel of oil with a breathing tube.

Try to code drunk with someone punching you in the stomach while working and get food poisoning also. Something like that describes my condition before these antibiotics. The high dose vitamin d3 would give me enough hormones to fight through a 2 hour workout, but the crashing after it was like my first sentence. I am not exaggerating. It was really horrible. My intense desire not to fail somehow super-willed me to get some work done, but when I remember working in that chronic illness condition, I shudder.

That is 100% truth.

That description didn't really accurately describe the malaise though. It is like you are asleep and can't not wake up. And very bad feeling in your head and body. And feel so fatigue can not hold your eyes open, but if you lay down you can not sleep either. I really can not describe it well. Until you have experience it, you can not know the feeling.

The feeling is so horrible. You just wish it would end. You wish you could just sleep and never wake up. I need to think about how to describe it with words such that someone could visualize the feelings.

Unlike in a normal health, we enjoy being awake. We feel interested to do things.

During my 6+ year sickness or especially the last 2 - 3 years, doing anything (including doing nothing) was so horrible and difficult. You just want it to all end.

The only thing I could do was fight and try to be productive so as to try to not think about it, but it is nearly impossible to ignore it. Ah I really can not describe it. Just so very thankful I am feeling better, even if I still have a little bit of the symptoms remaining.

yeah I remember those moments you had lost the hope and were talking about just starting to run somewhere and run until you die, can't really imagine what it was like

if you didn't have your athletic spirit and talent you wouldnt' be here today, I'm certain

when someone is sick normally with fever or stomach flu or even has a hangover, the knowledge that it'll be over in a few hours or days makes it bearable.. but if there's no hope that tomorrow will be any better, then... well let's just say I'm happy I haven't had to experience it!

Yeah sort of like that!

But now I wake up and I am interested to do things. I am enjoying life mostly.  Still some symptoms but not so continuously and not so horrible. Just slight.

It certainly would be. Do you feel your stance on discussion has changed for the better? Has it been helping at all?

When I was a very productive programmer in the 1980s and 1990s (before I was attacked and lost my right eye on 12/1/1999), there was no Internet (or at least I did not participate in any Internet discussions). I started to dabble in Internet discussions around 2005.

What I have learned during this illness when I spent a lot of time exploring, learning, and discussing on the Internet, is that it is a valuable activity for gaining awareness and information, but it is a horrible activity for coding productivity. So to mix the two is not good.

Also it has helped for me to learn the importance of posting more judiciously and with more careful thought about writing positively and just not post if it would be negative and/or if it is not that important. We can not discuss every minutiae (minute detail) with others and expect to get any productivity in our own work. Our minds move much faster than we can communicate. Which is precisely why the Mythical Man Month exists and why the future is Inverse Commons (open source and everyone thinks on their own and contributes to a commons which improves and does not have a tragedy-of-the-commons).

Fungible money was important for aggregating economies-of-scale during the fungible mass production age (agriculture and factories). They are winner-take-all paradigms. Bitnet and Inverse Commons are about individualized production.

But yeah it has been very helpful to observe how you communicate positively and thinking about how I can handle discussion with different personalities.

The key is reduce (especially PUBLIC) posting and think a lot before posting something. If it is not valuable enough to put enough time into thinking out carefully (and thinking about the potential pitfalls of the people in the discussion), then do not post on that issue. Every PUBLIC post is a liability that has a cost. They are not free. So I must budget my public posts more carefully.

That is not for judging others. It is a diverse world. Everyone should be free to do it their own way, because we need diversity. So when I communicate, I need to think more about the liability, costs, and pitfalls, and not blame nature for being a snake pit of diversity that can suck up order into disorder. The Second Law of Thermodynamics requires it to be so. Order is not anti-fragile, thus the less of it we require, then the more conducive our activities to the trend of maximum entropy. In other words, be like water in the sense of not creating unnecessary burdens, not by doubling-down on a clusterfuck as @Skalpell demanded, but by not participating in the clusterfuck.

And if we sell any of the smallish premine on exchanges (maybe our own decentralized exchange per my discussion with @miscreanity last month), those are fungible, unlocked tokens. We can just sit on the Ask for the volume rate which we need to sell to meet our expenses. Those investors who are astute will be buying when it is under the radar and underpriced. So gradually onboarded tokens will become free trading (unlocked) so they can also be traded on exchanges. But locked up tokens can still be transferred, i.e. spent to app devs, they just are not fungible for exchange trading.

In other words, we do not stop the locked tokens (awarded to users in return for the activity to encourage onboarding) from being transferred, but they can not appear as transaction inputs with other tokens that have a different lock period. We might also limit the rate at which locked up tokens can be transferred, so that they can be transferred in smallish amounts for spending to app devs, but not viable for exchanging in bulk.

Once the lock period expires, the tokens are free trading and fully fungible.

The entire point is that onboarded users can not just join and then sell their tokens too fast. They can spend them for apps and other services on Bitnet (providing revenue to encourage more apps and developers), and they also see the tokens rising in value over time (their balance growing), thus they learn to value the tokens and not cash out. It is sort of a teach by forced experience. I can imagine some users leaving and forgeting about it, then later realizing it has become valuable and coming back. A form of long-term stickiness.

you have been thinking this non stop for the last years, and it shows.. if you had rushed something way earlier it probably wouln't have been the success Bitnet has a real chance to be

your plan has multiple attributes feeding each other into a positive cycle, like onboarding, if it goes viral, app devs will find the large audience irresistable, and the more and better apps there will be the more people will spend the tokens within th ecosystem and tell their friends etc

but it can also be a chicken-egg problem, hopefully it's gonna be the former

Yes it would have been worse if I had rushed. But I could not rush. I was really ill. In hindsight, I was much more ill than perhaps you realize.

The hen-egg problem resolves itself if you have something that the participants need. I am creating a decentralized foundation on which others can build without the problems of centralized systems. I think a wealth of advantages will percolate out of it. I am an idea machine, so I will just keep adding features and advantages and eventually it will gain traction. The long-term quality product wins in the end. But obviously we must launch something within this year, else we are getting too late.

Decentralization is the theme of the coming global transformation given the short dollar vortex driving safe haven capital stampeded into the USA with the 40+ year sovereign bond bubble peaking in 2018 and ensuing waterfall collapse, devolution of the West accelerates next year and then the civil war in the USA and collapse starts in 2022 with Asia’s coming flash crash bottoming in 2020. By 2032, Shanghai and Singapore will replace (see also) New York and London as the financial capitals (centers) of the world.

(Philippines standard time is GMT+0700)

...for posterity's sake

[Spoetnik]

So i read the start of this page and i see "so i thought i was done"
Yup.. you are "leaving" *again* ...after being banned again ..blaming others for YOUR actions.  
Remember your grand farewell topic after they banned one of your other accounts ?

Shelby you are an arrogant & stubborn self-professed "genius".

You said on the previous page what your "responsibility is"

Your responsibility is pretty simple.. follow the fucking rules  
You have posted on this topic endlessly you feel you are exempt.. because your smarter ?
Well..
If that was the case you would be able to still post what you want to say and still be within the rules
or within the extensive leeway the staff have given you here for years.

Are you forgetting they have extended a vast amount of patience to you here ?
Where is your gratitude ?
theymos himself says he may be willing to unban you if you say you learned your lesson.
So what do you do ?
You ran here running your mouth like a massive arrogant prick.. biting at anyone that does not agree with you.

I don't think you are as smart as you claim to be bud.  
Or you wouldn't have a pile of accounts banned..
And you also have never understood WHY they fucking banned you.
For example..
You claimed they banned you for "Ethereum FUD".
If that was the case don't you think i would have been banned too ?    

WHY ..is the reason you are banned in the first place Shelby.
It's not what you did.. but the fact you never head warnings and push on breaking rules.
You were banned because you did not UNDERSTAND the rule and that you broke it.
Your never ending excuses are irrelevant.

They did not ban you because you slipped up and broke a rule ONCE.
You are banned because you are being a petulant little child who thinks he is exempt to following rules.
You are banned Again.. because they are trying to send you a message THAT YOU DO NOT COMPREHEND in your infinite "genius"  

You spew a lot of bullshit bud.
You seem to see what you want in your own imaginary made up NWO agenda world.
You get banned for breaking extremely specific rules then in your mind you blame some other spooky / kooky little agenda.
For someone who struts around as the leading genius (exempt to rules) on here you have a horrendous grasp on reality and COMPREHENSION.

Grow up and accept responsibility for your actions.
You are acting like a fucking brat.

They banned you because YOU broke the rules and then forced their hand.
They let you get away with tons of shit and you pushed them until the breaking point.
Then you want to rail on about NWO agenda's and your gifts to theymos etc on and on ?
I think your "gift" to theymos would be to quit being a fucking pain in the ass ROFL  

You claimed this site should not function as it does and it should be run "better".
be that as it may.. you clicked agree to the TOS when you created your numerous accounts.
Did you read what you AGREED to ?

Anyway.. i have not always been on the best footing with mprep etc.
But i do think these guys are just trying to do their job and retain order.
And WHY would they be doing this ?
You can see that in the topic in this section i am going to create RIGHT NOW !



EDIT:

I Posted a topic pointing out there is now 1 million accounts here registered.
Implying it is a lot of work to moderate.
And it shouldn't be a rule system based on your arrogant attitude or IQ.

Take the multi posting rule..
Shelby thinks he's exempt from that rule because his comments are higher quality.
So he feels he is entitled to side step the rule he knows he's breaking.

Did Satoshi have to keep getting banned?

Like what the fuck is the problem?
Say you are sorry and agree to stop violating those key rules mentioned and move on.
Why is this even an issue?

Shelby 90% of us would not even get a 2nd consideration from the boss.. But you did.
And turned your nose up at it.

[Traxo]

And it shouldn't be a rule system based on your arrogant attitude or IQ.

Take the multi posting rule..
Shelby thinks he's exempt from that rule because his comments are higher quality.
So he feels he is entitled to side step the rule he knows he's breaking.

Like what the fuck is the problem?
Say you are sorry and agree to stop violating those key rules mentioned and move on.
Why is this even an issue?

Shelby 90% of us would not even get a 2nd consideration from the boss.. But you did.
And turned your nose up at it.

You should read the whole thread.
(if you actually read it - your prior post wouldn't exist)

[Spoetnik]

Or you could have avoided an abused function (the quote feature) and typed out an explanation.

You know how fed up i am listening to lippy one-liners with huge massive quotes i have to scroll past ?
And who the hell are you noob ? I know the guy, i have been dealing with him for years.

And get this.. read what, mprep said then read his info about a parting gift.
Yup he violated the ban evasion rule by sending theymos coin design info etc.

He REALLY doesn't understand what is going on around him.. he's fucked in the head consumed with his smug ego and self entitlement and his grand-standing bullshit multi quoted super rants.

He's made a career out of hanging out here posting HUGE self-quotes back to back.

News Flash you piss all over the rules long term deliberately they will ban you.. no matter how much of a big shot you think you are.

Quote that assholes LOL

[Traxo]

Or you could have avoided an abused function (the quote feature) and typed out an explanation.
You know how fed up i am listening to lippy one-liners with huge massive quotes i have to scroll past ?

I know the guy, i have been dealing with him for years.

Meh, I merely quoted small part of your post.
Explanation is quite long, so no tl;dr for you today :/ sorry.
Your post is really huge so cba to quote every single line and then find a post where he explained things that you question etc.

C'mon, give it a shot (you can read his posts only anyway - contains quotes so I think you wont get lost).
It's an interesting thread (you should know, since you know him so well)

you noob ?

Oh please, I'm Jr. Member!!1! show some respect  

[wiked1]

Did he get banned again 

[criptix]

Did he get banned again 

And this time it really seems that he is not gonna come back.

Kinda missing his walls of text 

[wiked1]

Did he get banned again 

And this time it really seems that he is not gonna come back.

Kinda missing his walls of text 

He's on steemit and I think thats his github https://github.com/shelby3