So much talk and 0 action, lets actually make a sovereign territory

[Anon136]

remember guys a single square mile of real capitalism could probably outshine the entire globe. We dont have to shoot for the moon here.

[Anon136]

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game.  That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

Yea except that plan is fucking idiotic. They are going to get steamrolled.

[manfred]

hey i remember reading a book about those guys ages ago. I wonder if we just brought them a nice little pile of gold if we could get them to let us have a little piece of land  

They probably happy if u just move there.

[DeathAndTaxes]

"Principality of Hutt River" and "Freedom Christianity" out of question only remains the Pitcain Islands.

The islands are inhabited by the descendants of the Bounty mutineers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands

The Pitcairn islands are not sovereign.  They are an overseas territory of the United Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_list_of_Non-Self-Governing_Territories#Current_entries
 

[Mike Christ]

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game.  That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

I've seen this before; seems to be a good step in the right direction.  "Divided we fall, united we stand."  A whole bunch of libertarians united in one spot will be much more likely to edit law in a favorable way.

[conspirosphere.tk]

or google for "habitable uninhabited islands". I heard there are about 5 thousands.

[manfred]

The "Principality of Hutt River" claims to be an independent sovereign state having achieved legal status on 21 April 1972, although it remains unrecognised except by other micronations. It has 30 full time residents, and 13,000-18,000  overseas citizens and is 75 square kilometres big, its one flag currency, seal and passport. Any Aussies here who would have a chat with Prince Leonard I of Hutt ? The PHR do not pay taxes to the ATO. Hong Kong recognises Hutt River as a legitimate state in regards of incorporation for a company, but is reviewing the recognition after the issue was raised in an adverse manner by Australian media. Cant see why being land locked is an issue.

Wikilink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River

[Anon136]

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game.  That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

I've seen this before; seems to be a good step in the right direction.  "Divided we fall, united we stand."  A whole bunch of libertarians united in one spot will be much more likely to edit law in a favorable way.

yea but they could have focused their efforts towards taking over a sovereign entity not some local government in the united states. ooh look were going to abolish parking tickets!

[zeroday]

Sovereign territory?
Impossible, because of slavish nature of the majority of human beings.

So, may be on Mars it would work.

[myrkul]

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game.  That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

Yea except that plan is fucking idiotic. They are going to get steamrolled.

They're making progress. And they don't even have everyone moved yet.

[Mike Christ]

yea but they could have focused their efforts towards taking over a sovereign entity not some local government in the united states. ooh look were going to abolish parking tickets!

Regime change starts at home.  Besides, while they're working on breaking apart the tyrannical America from the inside-out (an important step if you want your libertarian society to thrive without America tripping itself, knocking over its own buildings, then saying your nation done it so they can bomb the fuck outta ya and spread their disease named "freedom and democracy" to your 'oppressed' people), we can focus on spreading real freedom elsewhere.

[Anon136]

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game.  That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

Yea except that plan is fucking idiotic. They are going to get steamrolled.

They're making progress. And they don't even have everyone moved yet.

what im saying is if they moved to the lowest gdp country in the world they could have probably already taken over the entire government.

[Anon136]

ok so here is the plan:

we crowed fund a campaign to get members of the mises academe elected to every position of significance in the Tuvalu government. They are SO poor in Tuvalu i dont even think it would cost that much, so if it failed it wouldn't even be that big of a deal i think, financially for all of us who contributed. You can subsititute tuvalu for a similarly poor country that has a nicer climate i just picked it because it appears to be the lowest gdp in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

[dank]

I had that idea too.  Rather than creating our own nation that would ultimately be vulnerable to the same drawbacks of greed and control, why don't we stop believing in nations and live as one united family, one world?  Imagine there's no countries, it's easy if you try.

World peace is only a communial choice away.

[DeathAndTaxes]

what im saying is if they moved to the lowest gdp country in the world they could have probably already taken over the entire government.

Or not.  You likely are understimating by a couple orders of magnitude the cost and complexity of such an operation.  To become a citizen of Tuvalu (and most nations have similar requirements) you must be a resident for seven years AND renounce your existing citizenship.

Not that easy to convince people to move to the ass end of nowhere at huge personal risk for hope that in a decade or so they will be able to form a capitalist utopia.  Many citizens of an existing nation (poor or not) would not want mass immigration and would move to slow immigration and citizenship.  To make it worthwhile for existing residents they have to also believe their lives will be improved.  That means lots of spending on infrastructure, airports, schools, etc.  Just the advocacy and planning stages would require significant investment and residency.  Would you move there in the hopes some crowdfunded group on a forum didn't decide to get board and stop funding three or four years into the process.

An optimistic scenario would be a group of extremely wealth people, tens of billions of dollars in capital, and a decade or two.  It isn't something you are going to crowdfund.  It would require enough financially independent people capable and devoted enough to take the risk of moving to one of the poorest nations of earth and work tirelessly for the next decade or so to  reform and modernize it from within.

[manfred]

Tuvalu, well i been there.
The country basically survives from an Australian, New zealand trust funds.
Would they give up membership of world bank and asian develpment bank and risk relations form the hand who feeds them for bitcoins. Who is going to explain to them what a bitcoins is, most struggle to read a newspaper.
The majority of the useful land is 1 meter above high tide make in the middle of the ocean.  Who is paying for upgrading internet infrastructure in the middle of the ocean?? thousands of k's ocean cable to the nearest land.

Tuvalu is a member of the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank.
Tuvalu maintains close relations with Fiji, New Zealand, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom and the European Union. It has diplomatic relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan); the ROC maintains the only resident embassy in Tuvalu and has a large assistance programme in the islands.
Tuvalu is party to a treaty of friendship with the United States,

The highest elevation is 4.6 metres (15 ft) above sea level on Niulakita, which gives Tuvalu the second-lowest maximum elevation of any country (after the Maldives). However, the highest elevations are typically in narrow storm dunes on the ocean side of the islands which are prone to overtopping in tropical cyclones, as occurred with Cyclone Bebe, which was a very early-season storm that passed through the Tuvaluan atolls in October 1972.
Because of the low elevation, the islands that make up this nation are threatened by current and future sea level rise.
Additionally, Tuvalu is annually affected by king tide events which peak towards the end of the austral summer, and raise the sea level higher than a normal high tide. As a result of historical sea level rise, the king tide events lead to flooding of low lying areas, which is compounded when sea levels are further raised by La Niña effects or local storms and waves. In the future, sea level rise may threaten to submerge the nation entirely as it is estimated that a sea level rise of 20–40 centimetres (8–16 inches) in the next 100 years could make Tuvalu uninhabitable.

[myrkul]

what im saying is if they moved to the lowest gdp country in the world they could have probably already taken over the entire government.

Arguably true. But the low GDP might not simply be because of a poor government, and the increased hardship involved would reduce the number of people who come. I mean, why aren't libertarians flooding into Somalia?

[Anon136]

what im saying is if they moved to the lowest gdp country in the world they could have probably already taken over the entire government.

Or not.  You likely are understimating by a couple orders of magnitude the cost and complexity of such an operation.  To become a citizen of Tuvalu (and most nations have similar requirements) you must be a resident for seven years AND renounce your existing citizenship.

Not that easy to convince people to move to the ass end of nowhere at huge personal risk for hope that in a decade or so they will be able to form a capitalist utopia.  Many citizens of an existing nation (poor or not) would not want mass immigration and would move to slow immigration and citizenship.  To make it worthwhile for existing residents they have to also believe their lives will be improved.  That means lots of spending on infrastructure, airports, schools, etc.  Just the advocacy and planning stages would require significant investment and residency.  Would you move there in the hopes some crowdfunded group on a forum didn't decide to get board and stop funding three or four years into the process.

An optimistic scenario would be a group of extremely wealth people, tens of billions of dollars in capital, and a decade or two.  It isn't something you are going to crowdfund.  It would require enough financially independent people capable and devoted enough to take the risk of moving to one of the poorest nations of earth and work tirelessly for the next decade or so to  reform and modernize it from within.

im just talking about paying to get our guys elected to every important position of power. I mean how much could that really cost in tuvalu? Everything else may fall like dominoes from there.

[DeathAndTaxes]

im just talking about paying to get our guys elected to every important position of power. I mean how much could that really cost in tuvalu? Everything else may fall like dominoes from there.

What guys?  Are you a citizen?

[LaggedOnUser]

Are you familiar with the idea of "charter cities", for example, Trujillo off the coast of Honduras?  http://www.economist.com/node/21541392

More information here: http://chartercities.org/concept

You can cooperate with existing governments to set up special economic zones with your own set of rules.  It might be worth starting one of those, or joining an existing one as they get the ball rolling.  I would favor one off the coast of Greece... they're broke enough they would probably sell you your own island!