Venezuela political status

[ChineTownMan]

Well im Venezuelan and i live here in Carabobo closed to he capital Caracas, and we right now are having a total media blackout, all the transmisions on tv dont show what is going on with the country, everything that they are showing is "cadenas" or long programations of the president saying that everything is out of control and e will use extreme forces againts his own country, the situation her is alarming we need international help right now.

Yeah I know how this will end.
Venezuela crying for help , the west providing help then we will get labeled as invaders, everyone will start thrwoing rocks and when the country turns back into a dump it's our fault again.

How about you start dealing with your own shit?
You;re the guys that elected both Chavez and Maduro

The West are never labeled invaders for providing financial aid.  They're only labeled invaders (correctly) for trying to intervene in civil wars which don't concern them.

So what do you plan? To send money to Venezuela because they were stupid to elect a taxi driver as president?
Why the hell should we help them when they pay 2 cents for a gallon of gas?

They were all high and mighty a few years ago, the tropical paradise, now enjoy socialism!!!!

All that's needed is a change of currency.  Zimbabwe's hyperinflation led to them using the US dollar instead - that could be interpreted as "financial aid" even if it's not literally giving them money.  If you believe that capitalist societies in crisis should be given financial aid, so should socialist ones - otherwise your judgement of socialism is unreasonable.

Not to mention that elections never represent the will of an entire nation, they represent a small majority of people who decided to vote.

No that was nothing like a "financial aid".
They just pegged their currency to the dollar. Any country is this world can do that.

For example Bulgaria used this measure for the leva against the euro, they pegged it at a certain exchange ratio.

Check the Venezuelan elections , they voted overwhelmingly for socialism.
Let them eat socialism till their last breath.

It seems to me that they are already hardly breathe. Socialism is a parasite that devours its host. I think that without blood is not a cost. Let the whole world see their example of what happens when winning the elections the populists.

sad but true guys they have to understand by the worse way that the socialism is pura crap and will destroy every society that practices it. Sorry for Venezuela but thats waht they voted for.

Today, Venezuela is going through a very difficult period and the fact is that this people wants changes, so do not interfere, as the US does.

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[freedomno1]

It seems to me that they are already hardly breathe. Socialism is a parasite that devours its host. I think that without blood is not a cost. Let the whole world see their example of what happens when winning the elections the populists.

Then we look at the % of money westernized countries spend on healthcare costs and social services.
We sort of do have socialism.
https://static.nationalpriorities.org/images/charts/2015/taxes-desk.png

If only because it should not cost a student $50,000 a year under capitalism to heal people when you can learn it for less.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/1-million-mistake-becoming-a-doctor/
Although it would not surprise me if some shootings occur to put blame on the government.

[killgald]

Its sad to see so many bad coment about the situation of one country not everybody voted for Maduro a great percentage of the country didnt, we are talking about lives of thousand of people like every crisis in the world we just ask for someone help not a militarized one.

[criptix]

It seems to me that they are already hardly breathe. Socialism is a parasite that devours its host. I think that without blood is not a cost. Let the whole world see their example of what happens when winning the elections the populists.

Then we look at the % of money westernized countries spend on healthcare costs and social services.
We sort of do have socialism.
https://static.nationalpriorities.org/images/charts/2015/taxes-desk.png

Please. In europe we have universal healthcare which cost less then the US american 3rd world healthcare system.

Universal healthcare has as much in common with socialism as hitler with ghandi.

Edit

Btw. And please dont read fake news. The only thing you need to be a doctor is a good memory.
A subpar student with good memory can easily finish a medcine degree.

[Lieldoryn]

To get a medical education is not enough. In order to be a good doctor you need to have a good practice, talent and not be afraid to take risks. Unfortunately the good doctors work in private clinics and no insurance does not cover the cost of treatment at these clinics. The world is not terribly fair.

[Sithara007]

Its sad to see so many bad coment about the situation of one country not everybody voted for Maduro a great percentage of the country didnt, we are talking about lives of thousand of people like every crisis in the world we just ask for someone help not a militarized one.

You can't blame just Maduro. He has proved himself to be incompetent, but is there anyone else who could solve this problem? Unless the corruption is eradicated, Venezuela will never see any progress.

[Daniel91]

Its sad to see so many bad coment about the situation of one country not everybody voted for Maduro a great percentage of the country didnt, we are talking about lives of thousand of people like every crisis in the world we just ask for someone help not a militarized one.

You can't blame just Maduro. He has proved himself to be incompetent, but is there anyone else who could solve this problem? Unless the corruption is eradicated, Venezuela will never see any progress.

Venezuela have very serious problems now and everything started with Chavez and his ''socialism'' policy.
He forced all foreign companies to go out from the country and tried to copy Cuba's socialism in Venezuela.
This experiment failed miserably.
Venezuela, country very rich with natural resources, became unstable and poor.
So, Venezuela really need radical political and social changes.
It's obvious that Maduro don't want to give up power (he is probably afraid that criminal Investigation for corruption will start as soon as he loose power).
The country's only chance is to elect a new president, break the ties with Russia, establish a partnership with the West and America, and bring back large companies and businesses, rebuild economy.

[solitare]

Well im Venezuelan and i live here in Carabobo closed to he capital Caracas, and we right now are having a total media blackout, all the transmisions on tv dont show what is going on with the country, everything that they are showing is "cadenas" or long programations of the president saying that everything is out of control and e will use extreme forces againts his own country, the situation her is alarming we need international help right now.

Yeah I know how this will end.
Venezuela crying for help , the west providing help then we will get labeled as invaders, everyone will start thrwoing rocks and when the country turns back into a dump it's our fault again.

How about you start dealing with your own shit?
You;re the guys that elected both Chavez and Maduro

The West are never labeled invaders for providing financial aid.  They're only labeled invaders (correctly) for trying to intervene in civil wars which don't concern them.

I don't  know how you think sending money to the already terribly corrupt government will help any of the people that need it. It never does help.
the only way to help is with a forceful intervention, which we are unlikey to do right now.
either we leave them alone or we send the military, You cant have it both ways.

[Kobalt]

Unfortunately people don't learn from their mistakes. They are to blame for that choose such leaders. Americans constantly have to fix bugs all the States? Then it is easier to unite everyone into one big America. LOL!

[freedomno1]

It seems to me that they are already hardly breathe. Socialism is a parasite that devours its host. I think that without blood is not a cost. Let the whole world see their example of what happens when winning the elections the populists.

Then we look at the % of money westernized countries spend on healthcare costs and social services.
We sort of do have socialism.
https://static.nationalpriorities.org/images/charts/2015/taxes-desk.png

Please. In europe we have universal healthcare which cost less then the US american 3rd world healthcare system.

Universal healthcare has as much in common with socialism as hitler with ghandi.

Edit

Btw. And please dont read fake news. The only thing you need to be a doctor is a good memory.
A subpar student with good memory can easily finish a medcine degree.

True the American system is a bad example it is just the most cited because it fails so much. Cuba is socialist and by comparison has a far better patient to outcome return ratio for the cost it puts into it, they also export doctors in exchange their tuition is free and get revenues from that another focus they have is on preventative healthcare instead of treating the symptoms but not the disease.

Eurpoean healthcare depends on the location I would need a bit more specificity on the location you had in mind as a good example of it working. I am sure that even between different states in the EU the standard of healthcare is different with the % of cost that goes to funding it out of tax revenues varying and the patient outcome and wait times changing as well.

About your edit:
It depends on where you live and also to be douche about it if your degree is recognized and meets the standards to practice healthcare.
Entering into a nursing degree, what is the standard is to be considered a doctor in the country etc all determine the final cost.
But you got a point that was the higher end it just presumes people would apply to a prestigious medical school not a community college or public school to get it, that was my bad this one is more accurate on the cost. Still fairly high though.
https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-it-cost-study-us

The taxes thing just picked one that liked to use dollar illustrations more less but you will need to specify a good source I just copied the link from a Business Insider article so it seemed accurate though.
http://www.businessinsider.com/where-your-2013-tax-dollars-went-2014-4

[Goliaf]

I do not feel sorry. They built their country socialism and did it deliberately. Let him now reap the fruits of their work. When they criticized the Americans ' last words, they are not thinking about what I will be asking them for help?

[criptix]

It seems to me that they are already hardly breathe. Socialism is a parasite that devours its host. I think that without blood is not a cost. Let the whole world see their example of what happens when winning the elections the populists.

Then we look at the % of money westernized countries spend on healthcare costs and social services.
We sort of do have socialism.
https://static.nationalpriorities.org/images/charts/2015/taxes-desk.png

Please. In europe we have universal healthcare which cost less then the US american 3rd world healthcare system.

Universal healthcare has as much in common with socialism as hitler with ghandi.

Edit

Btw. And please dont read fake news. The only thing you need to be a doctor is a good memory.
A subpar student with good memory can easily finish a medcine degree.

True the American system is a bad example it is just the most cited because it fails so much. Cuba is socialist and by comparison has a far better patient to outcome return ratio for the cost it puts into it, they also export doctors in exchange their tuition is free and get revenues from that another focus they have is on preventative healthcare instead of treating the symptoms but not the disease.

Eurpoean healthcare depends on the location I would need a bit more specificity on the location you had in mind as a good example of it working. I am sure that even between different states in the EU the standard of healthcare is different with the % of cost that goes to funding it out of tax revenues varying and the patient outcome and wait times changing as well.

About your edit:
It depends on where you live and also to be douche about it if your degree is recognized and meets the standards to practice healthcare.
Entering into a nursing degree, what is the standard is to be considered a doctor in the country etc all determine the final cost.
But you got a point that was the higher end it just presumes people would apply to a prestigious medical school not a community college or public school to get it, that was my bad this one is more accurate on the cost. Still fairly high though.
https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-it-cost-study-us

The taxes thing just picked one that liked to use dollar illustrations more less but you will need to specify a good source I just copied the link from a Business Insider article so it seemed accurate though.
http://www.businessinsider.com/where-your-2013-tax-dollars-went-2014-4

@heathcare

I wasnt precise my bad. But with european i mean west, north and part of south europe (mainly scadinavian nations, germany, austria, switzerland, Luxembourg etc)

@education
I agree with this. But on the other side people who have a college degree will have it easier to find a better paying job as someone who has no degree.
I.e. a master degree takes in avg. 5 years. (I think in germany you have to study 5 years and test work 1 year to get a doctor of medcine)
After finishing a m.sc. you easily earn 50+% more the your colleague with no degree.

So if you find a job you are usually better off and the money you payed before amortises pretty quick.

[solitare]

True the American system is a bad example it is just the most cited because it fails so much. Cuba is socialist and by comparison has a far better patient to outcome return ratio for the cost it puts into it, they also export doctors in exchange their tuition is free and get revenues from that another focus they have is on preventative healthcare instead of treating the symptoms but not the disease.

Eurpoean healthcare depends on the location I would need a bit more specificity on the location you had in mind as a good example of it working. I am sure that even between different states in the EU the standard of healthcare is different with the % of cost that goes to funding it out of tax revenues varying and the patient outcome and wait times changing as well.

About your edit:
It depends on where you live and also to be douche about it if your degree is recognized and meets the standards to practice healthcare.
Entering into a nursing degree, what is the standard is to be considered a doctor in the country etc all determine the final cost.
But you got a point that was the higher end it just presumes people would apply to a prestigious medical school not a community college or public school to get it, that was my bad this one is more accurate on the cost. Still fairly high though.
https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-it-cost-study-us

The taxes thing just picked one that liked to use dollar illustrations more less but you will need to specify a good source I just copied the link from a Business Insider article so it seemed accurate though.
http://www.businessinsider.com/where-your-2013-tax-dollars-went-2014-4
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I find it funny that we are talking about Venezuela, and how bad it has gotten there.

Then the thread turns into a bash America thread.

We will happily keep our world class medical system, and you can keep your second rate socialism and Communism.
Including your Healthcare system that has no choice, no accountability, and no good doctors any more.

I lived in Europe for a while.
The more I learned about the hospitals there, the more determined I was to never end up in one of your butcher shops.

[Sithara007]

Venezuela have very serious problems now and everything started with Chavez and his ''socialism'' policy.
He forced all foreign companies to go out from the country and tried to copy Cuba's socialism in Venezuela.
This experiment failed miserably.

Chavez did a lot of good things. He provided education and healthcare for the poor. But once he was gone (assassinated by the CIA using biological weapons), the system just disintegrated.

[mrcash02]

Venezuela have very serious problems now and everything started with Chavez and his ''socialism'' policy.
He forced all foreign companies to go out from the country and tried to copy Cuba's socialism in Venezuela.
This experiment failed miserably.

Chavez did a lot of good things. He provided education and healthcare for the poor. But once he was gone (assassinated by the CIA using biological weapons), the system just disintegrated.

Good things? That is an offense for decent people of Venezuela and Latin America. All the "cucaracha" countries have "caudilhos" (warlords) trying to implement the shit socialism on their countries, letting people suffer in the poverty while the command live confortably ruling the continent.

Chavez had deals with DRUGS-TRAFFICKING, Chavez gave weapons to the "bolivarian circles" (loyal militias) that were under control of Chavez to threat the population that was against him.

Chavez rejected help from the north-americans for vanity, while his people were dying after a catastrofic rain that destroyed districts in Venezuela.

This guy is crazy, insane lier, one of the guilty for the shit Latin America is. He incited the rage against the civilized world while promoted the ignorance and bad behavior.

At this exact moment a colombian production serie is showing his history, "El Comandante", I'm not sure if it's full true, but we can have some idea about what happened in Venezuela.

[alapacios]

Hello guys, i want to know your opinion abuot the manifestation that are having place right now in this country and a posible solution for this problematic

I believe that venezuela will recover from downfall by doing this following:
1.Stabilize the currency
2.Eliminate dysfunctional price controls
3.Adjust to lower international oil prices
4.Make living affordable

[saddampbuh]

chavez was right to oppose jewmerican interference in his country but he never built up the country and just handed out free shit to the poor instead which was clearly a mistake, the years of high oil prices was the time to build factories and farms, god knows what they are going to do to get out of this mess

[criptix]

I find it funny that we are talking about Venezuela, and how bad it has gotten there.

Then the thread turns into a bash America thread.

We will happily keep our world class medical system, and you can keep your second rate socialism and Communism.
Including your Healthcare system that has no choice, no accountability, and no good doctors any more.

I lived in Europe for a while.
The more I learned about the hospitals there, the more determined I was to never end up in one of your butcher shops.

Lmao... trump split the moon 500 years ago, hitlery is a reptile alien and the us has a world class healthcare sytem.
100% no fake news.

Delusional redneck