Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery)

[Mike Christ]

I dunno what else to tell you; you seem to be completely, 100% in belief that your system will work, despite my arguments.  I will not be taking part, but, I wish you the best in finding people who feel the same way as you.

Also, I highly recommend the Zeitgeist movies; they should be on Netflix, the first one anyway.  The other two are on YouTube.  They'll help you better understand what it is you're striving for.

[myrkul]

Then wouldn't it be wiser to use the money those services generate to maintain those services, like any other company that provides those services? Otherwise they will be out-competed, and make no money.

1. Maintaining most of those things costs less than they make, I just listed the parts of government that are actually lucrative.

2. Mining and providing electricity are two things the government could do that would be even more lucrative and liked.

3. I believe the government could then even afford NEW ventures, such as pharmaceutical.

And the Texas gov is already big on oil.

I'm detecting a theme here: a lot of belief and not a lot of research.

Let's just do one tiny little thing. How much does the turnpike system through Oklahoma net the state? Net, mind, how much money do they gain from it? This is an important number to know, since the "profit" from this will be going to fund your social welfare programs.

[FinShaggy]

I dunno what else to tell you; you seem to be completely, 100% in belief that your system will work, despite my arguments.  I will not be taking part, but, I wish you the best in finding people who feel the same way as you.

Also, I highly recommend the Zeitgeist movies; they should be on Netflix, the first one anyway.  The other two are on YouTube.  They'll help you better understand what it is you're striving for.

It is not just belief, I have given you reasons for everything I have said.

And I'll watch them one day.

[FinShaggy]

I'm detecting a theme here: a lot of belief and not a lot of research.

Let's just do one tiny little thing. How much does the turnpike system through Oklahoma net the state? Net, mind, how much money do they gain from it? This is an important number to know, since the "profit" from this will be going to fund your social welfare programs.

You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application. Sorry I don't have money yet, that doesn't mean I am not doing this though.

I could easily figure out stuff like that, I'm from McKinney TEXAS (which is where this system is planned for) and they recently built a highway in order to alleviate traffic to Dallas from Oklahoma, while bringing more traffic to our town. Paid for by the county, richest county in Texas to bring more money to the county. Why is it the richest county? Jail.... Imagine if those cells could make money with computers instead of inmates though?

[myrkul]

You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application.

Not once have you given us numbers to work with. It's all been conjectures and dreams and hopes.

In short, Stoner logic. Like Mike, I'm bowing out now. You can't say I didn't try. I wish you luck, you'll need it.

[FinShaggy]

You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application.

Not once have you given us numbers to work with. It's all been conjectures and dreams and hopes.

In short, Stoner logic. Like Mike, I'm bowing out now. You can't say I didn't try. I wish you luck, you'll need it.

So you just don't like that I haven't done anything yet. It really took 10 pages to say that?

Just watch

[myrkul]

You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application.

Not once have you given us numbers to work with. It's all been conjectures and dreams and hopes.

In short, Stoner logic. Like Mike, I'm bowing out now. You can't say I didn't try. I wish you luck, you'll need it.

So you just don't like that I haven't done anything yet. It really took 10 pages to say that?

If that's what you take away from what I said, sure. It's not what I said, but you've been consistently misunderstanding me the whole time. I'm used to it.

[FinShaggy]

If that's what you take away from what I said, sure. It's not what I said, but you've been consistently misunderstanding me the whole time. I'm used to it.

No, that is what you said. You want "numbers" not "ideas". Lol.
You're just on the wrong thread if you are saying anything different.

[the joint]

Hello, OP.

I'd like to inform you that you're wrong.  Moreover, it's difficult to explain why you're wrong because you contradict your own arguments so many times that a flow chart of your thought processes could be depicted as a ball of yarn.  However, I'll leave you with a simple consideration.


 Suppose we achieve your Utopian dreams and we partake in a totally mechanized society.  What then?  What do you need coins for?  To buy goods and services?  From who?  Robots?  You really think a robot fucking cares if you pay it a Bitcoin or a Litecoin, or pay it at all?  I've never heard of a robot getting pissed because he got stiffed on a few alt-coins.

[FinShaggy]

Suppose we achieve your Utopian dreams and we partake in a totally mechanized society.  What then?  What do you need coins for?  To buy goods and services?  From who?  Robots?  You really think a robot fucking cares if you pay it a Bitcoin or a Litecoin, or pay it at all?  I've never heard of a robot getting pissed because he got stiffed on a few alt-coins.

The overall end would be no money. At all.
Everyone supplied with the means to survive, simply because it is available

[the joint]

Suppose we achieve your Utopian dreams and we partake in a totally mechanized society.  What then?  What do you need coins for?  To buy goods and services?  From who?  Robots?  You really think a robot fucking cares if you pay it a Bitcoin or a Litecoin, or pay it at all?  I've never heard of a robot getting pissed because he got stiffed on a few alt-coins.

The overall end would be no money. At all.
Everyone supplied with the means to survive, simply because it is available

So, why can't we just build the robots instead?  What's with all this time-wasting coin business?

[FinShaggy]

So, why can't we just build the robots instead?  What's with all this time-wasting coin business?

Because the robots need to be invented, and the people that would invent them are too busy working or starving or being in jail because they didn't want to work or starve.

[the joint]

So, why can't we just build the robots instead?  What's with all this time-wasting coin business?

Because the robots need to be invented, and the people that would invent them are too busy working or starving or being in jail because they didn't want to work or starve.

So why don't we free them and give them bread?  What's with all this time-wasting coin business?

[FinShaggy]

So, why can't we just build the robots instead?  What's with all this time-wasting coin business?

Because the robots need to be invented, and the people that would invent them are too busy working or starving or being in jail because they didn't want to work or starve.

So why don't we free them and give them bread?  What's with all this time-wasting coin business?

Because they won't free them and give them bread, but coins can.

[myrkul]

So, why can't we just build the robots instead?  What's with all this time-wasting coin business?

Because the robots need to be invented, and the people that would invent them are too busy working or starving or being in jail because they didn't want to work or starve.

Just wanted to interject here, that there are many people who make a fine living in the career of robotics, even here in the US, but especially in Japan. It's not like there's some next-gen robotic researcher picking beans because he can't get research money.

[FinShaggy]

Just wanted to interject here, that there are many people who make a fine living in the career of robotics, even here in the US, but especially in Japan. It's not like there's some next-gen robotic researcher picking beans because he can't get research money.

Very wrong.
There is tons of wasted potential all over the world, and especially in America. It is lost to poverty, senseless violence, Hard drugs and other things America could word towards fixing.

[myrkul]

Just wanted to interject here, that there are many people who make a fine living in the career of robotics, even here in the US, but especially in Japan. It's not like there's some next-gen robotic researcher picking beans because he can't get research money.

Very wrong.

Yes, you are. But, please, don't let me interrupt. Carry on.

[FinShaggy]

Yes, you are. But, please, don't let me interrupt. Carry on.

You REALLY think EVERY (and even the best) robotics (and inventive in general) minds, can afford to go to robotics schools?

That's a joke.

[myrkul]

Yes, you are. But, please, don't let me interrupt. Carry on.

You REALLY think EVERY (and even the best) robotics (and inventive in general) minds, can afford to go to robotics schools?

That's a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRST_Robotics_Competition

[FinShaggy]

Yes, you are. But, please, don't let me interrupt. Carry on.

You REALLY think EVERY (and even the best) robotics (and inventive in general) minds, can afford to go to robotics schools?

That's a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRST_Robotics_Competition

And that is supposed to prove that we live in an ideal world? Where magically EVERY great mind is recognized, lol.