Real confused about transactions

[pestalent1]

Hello,

I hope someone can set me straight. I started a wallet earlier this month with these two transactions.


-0.17546656 BTC    to address 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR [txid]
03.04.17
02:28:13   

-0.009 BTC    to address 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR [txid]
03.04.17
00:01:35
   
They arrived all was well.

I sent out this (Mind you I know I screwed up the Transaction fee amount, that is where my problem begins)
 
Status: 0/unconfirmed, in memory pool
Date: 4/23/17 07:06 
To: 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR
 Debit: -0.13399774 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.00000226 BTC 
Net amount: -0.13400000 BTC
 Transaction ID: c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182 
Transaction total size: 226 bytes
Output index: 1


I tried closing the wallet and re-placed the wallet.dat with the backed up wallet.dat  (the wallet backup before this was sent) to hopefully resend with a higher transaction fee (I am on OSX)
when my wallet re-synced. the unconfirmed transaction was no longer there but 2 other transactions appeared that I did not make.

TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF   -0.17732902   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc
TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj   -0.00567098   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc

Real confused can some one explain?

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[achow101]

Have you received any other Bitcoin before or after this happened? Have you sent any other Bitcoin before or after this happened?

What version of Bitcoin Core are you using? Is your wallet an HD wallet (i.e. was it created with 0.13.0+)?

[pestalent1]

Those are the only transactions I made where the initial 2 deposits and the one unconfirmed one. I am using BT-core v 14.1 then tried to update to 14.2 (I think) on OSX El Capitan. I know I have synced my wallet a few times between my initial deposit and the one I sent, and those other 2 transactions where not there.

[HCP]

Can you confirm that your address is: 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR

If so, I don't understand what you're saying by you "sent out" the transaction... as the transactions are sending coins TO that address?? Did you purchase coins from a bitcoin seller/service? Or were you just transferring coins from one wallet to another?

In any case, if you did not create transaction a84b7f3d4df8e3a298395e69a7e6f5c1bbeeaca87f0d7e12f462c23e8713a68a then it would appear that the private key to 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR has been comprised, as the coins that were originally placed into that address have been spent... is that address under your control, and if so, what wallet is it in?

Until you figure out what has happened, I would refrain from sending any more coins to 177Ank address... when your current transaction is confirmed, you should immediately send them to another address (preferably in a different wallet, as your whole bitcoin Core wallet may have been compromised)

[pestalent1]

 Wallet 1                                          Both Wallets are mine, below shows the initial deposits from a  third party to each.

#3541121721   -0.17546656 BTC   Withdrawal BTC to address 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR [txid]
03.04.17
02:28:13   

#3540521357   -0.009 BTC   Withdrawal BTC to address 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR [txid]
03.04.17
00:01:35   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------      I was trying to send from wallet 2 to wallet 1
Wallet 2

#3535386072   -0.184 BTC   Withdrawal BTC to address 1NdagsP6LGW4mLhujZ8HoLs8QjybncBawv [txid]
01.04.17
22:10:42   

#3535279946   -0.008001 BTC   Withdrawal BTC to address 1NdagsP6LGW4mLhujZ8HoLs8QjybncBawv [txid]
01.04.17
21:24:44   

 I then attempted to send coins from one wallet to my other. I did not use a large enough transaction fee (see below) my wallet a blockchain are synced at this point

Status: 0/unconfirmed, in memory pool
Date: 4/23/17 07:06
To: 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR
Debit: -0.13399774 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.00000226 BTC
Net amount: -0.13400000 BTC
Transaction ID: c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182
Transaction total size: 226 bytes
Output index: 1



TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF   -0.17732902   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc
TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj   -0.00567098   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc
 
The above are not transactions I made, the dates seem strange because, I know I synced my wallet with the blockchain a few times after thy are dated.

I looked over the block chain website: Mine that was unconfirmed  https://blockchain.info/address/177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPRe
what is the transaction below it?

On the page below the ones by the green arrow are the ones that appeared in my trans action list within the last 24 hours  https://blockchain.info/address/1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF

This last page I see my transaction and it appears to be attached to another one (mine is the .13399774 )
https://blockchain.info/tx/c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182?show_adv=true

I hope I answerd your questions and thanks for trying to help me.

[DannyHamilton]

None of what you are saying makes much sense.  It doesn't seem to match up with reality.

It would appear that the wallet that you recovered is not the same wallet that you used to receive bitcoins at 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR.

On 2017-04-01 at approximately 18:33:06 UTC (you'll have to convert to your own timezone) 0.007001 BTC
 were received at 1NdagsP6LGW4mLhujZ8HoLs8QjybncBawv.

Then approximately 39 minutes later on 2017-04-01 at about 19:12:06 UTC an additional 0.183 BTC were received at 1NdagsP6LGW4mLhujZ8HoLs8QjybncBawv.

That's a total of 0.190001 BTC received at 1NdagsP6LGW4mLhujZ8HoLs8QjybncBawv.

Is that an address of yours?  Did you receive either (or both) of those transactions?

On 2017-04-07 at approximately 19:00:46 UTC, some of those 0.190001 BTC were spent, sending 0.00536672 BTC to 1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj

Did you send that transaction on that date from a wallet you own?

On 2017-04-26 at approximately 06:20:20 UTC, some more of the 0.190001 BTC that had been received at 1NdagsP6LGW4mLhujZ8HoLs8QjybncBawv was spent, sending 0.13399774 BTC to 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR

I thought you said you only ever received 2 transactions at 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR, but I can see clearly that isn't true. You received 3 transactions and none of them match the amounts you claim you received.

• On 2017-04-02 at 21:03:03 UTC you received 0.008 BTC
• On 2017-04-02 at 23:30:29 UTC you received 0.17446656 BTC
• On 2017-04-26 at 06:20:20 UTC you received 0.13399774 BTC (which hasn't yet confirmed)

Additionally you spent some from the wallet that has address 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR on 2017-04-09 at 17:11:22 UTC.  It is not clear at the moment if you sent

• 0.020857 BTC  to  15sBvzePpehx9kUvWrG9PJ1ry3e7LMTYqz
• or 0.15349413 BTC to 1EVj5PEbY7Miky8CpEtTrtZoaMfXpvgqDv

 

[HCP]

Yeah... the OPs usage of transaction information from the 3rd Party service is very confusing... It would appear that this service is taking a fixed 0.001 BTC from the transaction values (possibly as a contribution to mining fees? ), so the values aren't the same when looking at the actual transactions on the blockchain.

177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR: (Wallet 1)
0.17546656 BTC sent to this address vs. 0.17446656 BTC received.
0.009 BTC sent to this address vs. 0.008 BTC received.

1NdagsP6LGW4mLhujZ8HoLs8QjybncBawv: (Wallet 2)
0.008001 BTC sent to this address vs. 0.007001 BTC received.
0.184 BTC sent to this address vs. 0.183 BTC received.

OP is saying both of those addresses, are theirs... but they are contained in separate wallets... and that they then attempted to send from Wallet 2 (the one containing "1Ndag" address)... to Wallet 1 (containing the "177Ank" address).

Following the deposits to the 2 addresses, I see the transaction from Wallet 2, that sends 0.00536672 BTC to 1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj, and puts the remainder (0.17732902 BTC) into 1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF (which I am assuming is a change address in Wallet 2).

Following this, the entire balance of Wallet 1 got sent out in a transaction... sending 0.020857 BTC to 15sBvzePpehx9kUvWrG9PJ1ry3e7LMTYqz and 0.15349413 BTC to 1EVj5PEbY7Miky8CpEtTrtZoaMfXpvgqDv.

The OP then attempts to send 0.13399774 BTC from Wallet 2 to Wallet 1... it uses part of the coins from the 1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF change address, but fails with the extremely low fee, so it is still unconfirmed.

I had initially thought that is was the transaction that emptied Wallet 1, that the OP was claiming was not the one they sent... but upon re-reading it all, they seem to saying that it is the 0.00536672 BTC to 1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj that they didn't send?

This last page I see my transaction and it appears to be attached to another one (mine is the .13399774 )
https://blockchain.info/tx/c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182?show_adv=true

This statement leads me to believe that the OP does not understand about change addresses and how their wallet spends from them... and may be the source of some of their confusion.

[pestalent1]

Thanks for the help. I had some of my info messed up

Of the 2 transaction below (details from wallet), I made the  "1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj   -0.00567098" They did recive it. (sorry I said it was not me, forgot)

TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj   -0.00567098   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc

This one I did not make.
TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF   -0.17732902   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc

I do not understand why they have the same transaction ID.

When I search the address "1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF" I found this "https://blockchain.info/address/1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF" showing the coin there, with the transaction from me as the only one (Did I read the info on the page correctly?)

My next question is why did my wallet let me send the below transaction? It was synced with the blockchain.

4/23/17 07:06 Unconfirmed. Sent to (no label) 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR -0.13400000

Below is what showed because of my very low trans action fee:

Status: 0/unconfirmed, in memory pool
Date: 4/23/17 07:06 
To: 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR
 Debit: -0.13399774 BTC
 Transaction fee: -0.00000226 BTC 
Net amount: -0.13400000 BTC
 Transaction ID: c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182 
Transaction total size: 226 bytes
Output index: 1


I guess I am just out my coin, could some one explain what happened or what I did wrong.

[HCP]

I suggest you go and read about change addresses... what they are and how they work.

Basically, when you go to send some coins to a person, Bitcoin requires that you "spend" whole inputs... you don't just extract the fraction that you need and send it. So it goes something like this:

1. You receive a payment for 1 BTC into Address A.
2. You want to send 0.1 BTC to your friend...
3. Your wallet will take your 1 BTC from Address A as an input and break it up creating 2 new outputs... 0.1 for your friend and 0.9 that comes back to you.
4. The wallet then sends, as one transcation, 0.1 to your friends address, and sends 0.9 into ChangeAddressB, controlled by your wallet.

Code:

                     |----> 0.1 FriendAddress
Address A 1.0 BTC ---|
                     |----> 0.9 ChangeAddressB

This is the reason why you see this:

Of the 2 transaction below (details from wallet), I made the  "1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj   -0.00567098" They did recive it. (sorry I said it was not me, forgot)
TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1LDFuin4Hbue4yYAkYNPd1jTZp8qNYRYBj   -0.00567098   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc
This one I did not make.
TRUE   2017-04-07T15:50:22   Sent to      1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF   -0.17732902   ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc

I do not understand why they have the same transaction ID.

They are not "2 transactions"... it is only one transaction that has 2 outputs... ie. "the 0.1 for your friend and the 0.9 change"...  or in this case... 0.00567098 for your Friend, and 0.17732902 change.

My next question is why did my wallet let me send the below transaction? It was synced with the blockchain.

4/23/17 07:06 Unconfirmed. Sent to (no label) 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR -0.13400000

Below is what showed because of my very low trans action fee:

Status: 0/unconfirmed, in memory pool
Date: 4/23/17 07:06 
To: 177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR
 Debit: -0.13399774 BTC
 Transaction fee: -0.00000226 BTC 
Net amount: -0.13400000 BTC
 Transaction ID: c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182 
Transaction total size: 226 bytes
Output index: 1


I guess I am just out my coin, could some one explain what happened or what I did wrong.

That transaction is your wallet attempting to send funds to the 177Ank address, using the 0.17732902 BTC that went to your "change address" 1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF from transactionID: ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc

From what you are showing, I am assuming you are using Bitcoin Core. By default I believe it allows spending of "unconfirmed" change. (Settings -> Options -> Wallet -> "Spend unconfirmed change"). So, even though ec62fe6efdc749bf453fe5c1736d7cb514fe8c9c567de9f95a0a3bf04b5b01bc was unconfirmed at the time (it is now confirmed), Bitcoin Core would allow you to spend the 0.17732902 change, to create the next transaction if required.

FYI, It looks as though someone is re-broadcasting this low fee transaction (c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182)... it is showing up on various blockexplorers again... possibly your wallet is rebroadcasting it?

[pestalent1]

Experience is what I gain right after I needed it.

I now understand about "about change addresses" (I think). This is my change address "1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF" which contains  -0.17732902 ?

Will it reappear in my wallet when the low transaction fee transaction gets dropped?
Did I screw it up (The ChangeAddress, controlled by my wallet) beyond recall when I  re-placed the wallet.dat (when it showed the unconfirmed low transaction fee) with the backed up wallet.dat  (the wallet backup before it was sent)? I did that to hopefully resend with a higher transaction fee. When I re-synced, the unconfirmed low transaction fee was gone from my transaction list but the "1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF" appeared.

I cannot say I am not re-broadcasting it but, it no longer appears in my wallets transactions (Bitcoin Core 14):

"FYI, It looks as though someone is re-broadcasting this low fee transaction (c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f182)... it is showing up on various blockexplorers again... possibly your wallet is rebroadcasting it?"

Thanks for taking the time to school me, my "Google-ing" just confused me more.

[btcdevil]

This is the last transaction which is still unconfirmed,

c8effd35b1f05b0ff74bb1946df9adfcba685495e9bb5f243f72c0755e38f1822017-04-30 22:30:23
1EJFi2ivgcjTpXqg6Kz2st91h4qyf7weLF
   177AnkPzv12EWThJEQq4iSDC3W5EZUtfPR 0.13399774 BTC
Unconfirmed Transaction!

and it will take time if you have used the low transaction fee, if any miner confirms it if not after 48 hrs you will get refund back to the sent address from which the coins have been sent.

what is this all transaction still dont know as you are sending to your own address why ??

[pestalent1]

This transaction has not been dropped from the memory pool, are there any good ways to pay someone to include my transaction in their block? I tried viabtc.com my transaction fee was too low, pushtx.btc.com, want me to download a app for alipay, I do not have a smart phone.
Thanks

[HCP]

You could try shutting your wallet down and not running it for at least 48hrs (preferably 72hours). Just keep checking on various block explorers (blockchain.info, blockcypher, blockr.io etc) until the transaction no longer shows on any of them.

Other than that, your only other option would be to read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1802212.msg17954548#msg17954548 and try contacting the guys in the "Ask a miner for help" section (Quickseller or macbook-air) and see if they can assist (most likely for a fee)...