Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[cestmoi]

What about it?  Very few of 'us' will say that vaccines cannot have a usefulness.  For the most part all we are saying is that they can be mis-used and that the science and propaganda is a load of garbage.  And we are questioning why, exactly, that might be.

So you are not a hardcore anti vaxx, this is good to hear.
In a way i am not for vaccinating every children with 50 different shots on day one of their life.

But i believe that science (when used for the greater good) is a fantastic way to keep us healthy. And some vaccine are part of this equation.


Like, do you know how many people die because they take aspirin per year ?
Do we need to ban aspirin ?
 

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[BADecker]

What about it?  Very few of 'us' will say that vaccines cannot have a usefulness.  For the most part all we are saying is that they can be mis-used and that the science and propaganda is a load of garbage.  And we are questioning why, exactly, that might be.

So you are not a hardcore anti vaxx, this is good to hear.
In a way i am not for vaccinating every children with 50 different shots on day one of their life.

But i believe that science (when used for the greater good) is a fantastic way to keep us healthy. And some vaccine are part of this equation.


Like, do you know how many people die because they take aspirin per year ?
Do we need to ban aspirin ?
 

We need to ban vaccines until we have proof that they are safe on a batch by batch basis. The safety proof has to include that people and kids don't get autism or Alzheimers from them... today, tomorrow or ever.

[tvbcof]

What about it?  Very few of 'us' will say that vaccines cannot have a usefulness.  For the most part all we are saying is that they can be mis-used and that the science and propaganda is a load of garbage.  And we are questioning why, exactly, that might be.

So you are not a hardcore anti vaxx, this is good to hear.
In a way i am not for vaccinating every children with 50 different shots on day one of their life.

But i believe that science (when used for the greater good) is a fantastic way to keep us healthy. And some vaccine are part of this equation.

Like, do you know how many people die because they take aspirin per year ?
Do we need to ban aspirin ?
 

We need to ban vaccines until we have proof that they are safe on a batch by batch basis. The safety proof has to include that people and kids don't get autism or Alzheimers from them... today, tomorrow or ever.

It is admitted that some individuals are prone to damage from vaccinations due to mitochondrial function.  Billions of dollars have been paid out to such people who's lives have been ruined by such damage.  (It's paid by the tax-payers and not big pharma due to the way the political structure of our current system as it stands today.)

A logical strategy might be to test for susceptibility to such damage _before_ injecting the individual peeps and ruining their lives.  Yes, it might cost money, but it would be a system which more people might support and fewer people might reject.

I suspect that the reason why all of the pro-vaxx efforts are focused on vilifying anti-vaxxers, and producing propaganda and junk science is because there are other things going on than trying to create a 'healthy population.'  To a degree this would be because 'healthy population' means different things to different people, and what constitutes a 'healthy population' for the people who are currently running show would have trouble convincing the victims that their idea of 'health' is in the interest of the victims.

'Health' to big pharma seems to mean the permanently damaged Americans open their wallets monthly to buy palliative drugs.

'Health' to big gov seems to mean that the peeps are incapable, for a variety of reasons, of understanding and analyzing reality.

[BADecker]

All over the place you can find people, even doctors, stating that moderate use of marijuana is acceptable and safe. States are legitimizing it. Companies are making big money off it. And it seems to be helping all kinds of people who have drug problems. But look at what is really happening. It's similar in some ways to what is happening with with vaccines.


1. Marijuana absolutely does help with medical problems. But its long term safety only exists if there is mega nutrition at the same time that marijuana is used. Otherwise, there is long term damage just as there is with medical drugs. See https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/.

2. Medical leaders seem to understand that marijuana along with mega-nutrition can cure all kinds of stuff better than medical drugs. But that without mega-nutrition, marijuana can be just as dangerous as medical drugs long term.

3. So, the medical industry is quietly promoting marijuana without the nutrition, so that in the long run, it will be outlawed more firmly than ever, because of its disastrous effects. But the focus will be off medical drugs for a time, until the medical can find some other scapegoat.


Note that in the site linked in #1 above, dangers of marijuana use without mega-nutrition are detailed. The cure for the dangers is mega-nutrition along with the marijuana. This cure would take care of much of the need for medical drugs, alleviating the side-effects of medical drugs (by not using them).

Dr. David Sinclair - one of the leaders in anti-aging - has made several videos with famed commentator, Joe Rogan, about how to apply anti-aging to the things that you do. It's a combination of nutrition and drugs. Check these Youtube videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdoiR44_Egk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75doh5hJVRI for starters.

Dr. Sinclair is careful about the way that he says that nutrition and cures go hand-in-hand. But the medical saw through him, and gave him a bunch of flack for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDdAI-X3y1o.

The point is, nutrition is the way to go, possibly with enhancement by some drugs. The better way is enhanced nutrition with marijuana and other NATURAL drugs (peyote, ayahuasca), rather than medical drugs. The medical knows this, or at least has their suspicions. And they are fighting nutrition with everything they have so that they can maintain their mastery over the masses for $profit reasons... who cares what really happens to the people as long as they get their money.

Btw, this fits the vaccine picture in the same way as it fits drugs.

[alexandrea]

I can't believe this is still a debate... There's literally a measles outbreak in my city thanks to parents who don't vaccinate their children. Measles... a disease that should have been gone a long time ago, and now it's back and killing children which could have been easily avoided if parents were to vaccinate their children (which is for free) in government health centers. It's because people are so gullible to believe that vaccines are used as some sort of Bio weapon...

[guybrushthreepwood]

Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated:
Guess who is Sicker?

There are a ridiculous number of factors in why kids get ill and there's certainly no concrete evidence to soley blame vaccines at this point. As the article states I think a bad diet and lifestyle contribute most to sicknesses and illnesses these days. It's interesting that that study is based on home schooled kids. What was the reason for studying them as opposed to others? Because they don't get vaccinated at school? You could perhaps argue that other factors were involved and homeschool kids were less likely to mix with other children and were therefore lkess likely to catch diseases. They may also be on better diets and lead a more active lifestyle if that's something their parents actively encourage.

I can't believe this is still a debate... There's literally a measles outbreak in my city thanks to parents who don't vaccinate their children. Measles... a disease that should have been gone a long time ago, and now it's back and killing children which could have been easily avoided if parents were to vaccinate their children (which is for free) in government health centers. It's because people are so gullible to believe that vaccines are used as some sort of Bio weapon...

I think it's healthy to debate. There are pros and cons of any vaccination or medicine and sometimes both have side effects -- some we don't find out about until much later on when the damage has already been done. I agree that some vaccinations have effectively wiped out certain diseases in the western world so it's not like they're all bad but some do also have side effects and I'm sure there's many that do damage in other ways that we don't know about or fully understand yet.

[BADecker]

I can't believe this is still a debate... There's literally a measles outbreak in my city thanks to parents who don't vaccinate their children. Measles... a disease that should have been gone a long time ago, and now it's back and killing children which could have been easily avoided if parents were to vaccinate their children (which is for free) in government health centers. It's because people are so gullible to believe that vaccines are used as some sort of Bio weapon...

Is the measles outbreak among the unvaccinated, or is it among everyone? If it affects the vaccinated, too, maybe the vaccinations aren't so effective after all. And what about the side effects from vaccines, that come in two forms:
1. Various auto-immune diseases down the road because of the vaccine;
2. Inability of the vaccine to properly activate the immune system against all kinds of other diseases, a thing that measles does.

[BADecker]

The things that even this bill doesn't state clearly is, what tests have been done to show that this vaccine is safe years down the road... to keep people from getting autism and other autoimmune diseases. And what tests have been done that show that vaccinated people are not more violent, and do not have greater psychological effects down the road.


Arizona Bill Proposes Full Disclosure of Vaccine Ingredients and Side Effects

Arizona State Senator Paul Boyer has introduced Senate Bill 1115 in the Arizona State Senate requiring health care professionals to provide a full list of vaccine ingredients and side effects to adults and parents of minor children prior to administration of any vaccine.1 2

Sen. Boyer, who says he does not oppose vaccinations, believes that doctors and others who give vaccines should provide the same benefit and risk details about them as they would for other medical interventions such as surgery. He maintains this is the only way to ensure patients can give proper “informed consent” to the medical procedure.1 2

“Everybody who goes for an operation, procedure or anything, they’re informed,” says Boyer. “They’re told of all the risks that could happen with whatever procedure it is. They’re not given the surgery and then, after the fact, ‘Oh, by the way, here are the known adverse effects.'”1

Will Humble, who is executive director of the Arizona Public Health Association, is concerned that Senate Bill 1115 will require doctors to provide people with too much information that they might find confusing or even scary, thus forcing physicians to take time from “what’s important during pediatric visits” to explain the benefits and risks associated with a vaccine in a manner that can be understood.1 2

“When a patient or parents get a whole bunch of information that they don’t understand, then that pediatric appointment can easily become about the 12-page sheet of paper that they don’t understand rather than doing all the developmental screening that needs to be done in that 15, 20, 25 minute appointment,” says Humble.1

One of the problems, though, may be that many health care professionals themselves are not be fully informed about the ingredients in vaccines. According to neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, MD:

    You’d be amazed at the number of physicians, you ask them what’s in a vaccine? They’ll say, well, there’s the bacteria, the virus you want to vaccinate against, and then there’s a little immune stimulant in there to help stimulate the immunity so they react against those viral antigens. They don’t know about these other chemicals in there like formaldehyde, special proteins, special lipids that are known to be brain toxic, that are known to induce autoimmunity in the brain. They’re not aware of that. They don’t know that MSG is in a lot of vaccines―monosodium glutamate, a brain excitotoxin. They’re not aware of what’s in the vaccine they’re giving.3

[BADecker]

This doesn't mean that you won't be able to get it. All you have to do is go to Mexico, the place where the drug lords rule.


Mexican Scientists Find a CURE for HPV (But It Wouldn't Be PROFITABLE to Approve It in the US)

A team of researchers from Mexico’s National Polytechnic Institute (IPN)  led by Eva Ramon Gallegos report they’ve found a cure for HPV. HPV is the human papillomavirus, a leading cause of cancer.

The team completely eradicated HPV in 29 patients using a technique called photodynamic therapy.  The non-invasive treatment uses a drug called a photosensitizer or photosensitizing agent, alongside a wavelength of light that is used to treat the areas of the body that are affected by HPV.

There is a complete lack of side effects, a 100% success rate, and the possibility that the same treatment may be able to stop other precancerous conditions or even treat early stage breast cancer.

And it will probably never be approved here in the United States.

Cancer is big business here in the US. I wrote in 2013 that it was a 124.6 billion dollar a year industry. By 2024, that number is expected to be 156 billion.

With those numbers, is it any surprise that the following grim statistics keep rising?

They Actually ADMITTED There's No Money in Curing People

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY-owubmfNg

[tvbcof]

This doesn't mean that you won't be able to get it. All you have to do is go to Mexico, the place where the drug lords rule.

Mexican Scientists Find a CURE for HPV (But It Wouldn't Be PROFITABLE to Approve It in the US)

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You're going to have to jump Trump's wall to do so.

The wall will not materially impact the project of (((Trump's people))) in collapsing the U.S. by moving in millions of 'migrants' (among various other strategies.)  When we are collapsed we can be sliced-n-diced and sold off in tranches to the financial elites.

More and more the wall fence looks to me like a way to keep Americans in.  Healthy military aged guys will have no problem jumping over it going S -> N, but sick Americans going N -> S for medication and treatments that are effective and affordable, dental work, etc will have some real problems.

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On a different tangent, I know a number of people who jump the Mexican border for dental work.  There are towns dedicated to providing this service.  I hear that they are safe enough to stumble around down-town in the middle of the night all doped up on on painkillers.  The reason?  Because the 'police' are private.  Paid by the dental clinics.  It's a cost of doing business.

[TECSHARE]

She does a lot of good work and is worth spending some time on.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. | Full Testimony (West Virginia Senate Education Committee) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKcaWp3Sf4

also

https://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/

As a side note, is anyone else seeing the steady ramping up of rhetoric against "antivaxxers" in various social media? It seems to me like an organized effort, and I am starting to see that censorship on the topic is increasing. This is not a good sign when we can no longer freely discuss medical treatment.

[mOgliE]

This thread is always a fun one.
51 pages summed up in one sentence:
If your study supports vaccins, it's only because the corrupted institution that made it is part of the global conspiracy.

How can you take such persons seriously? xD

[TECSHARE]

This thread is always a fun one.
51 pages summed up in one sentence:
If your study supports vaccins, it's only because the corrupted institution that made it is part of the global conspiracy.

How can you take such persons seriously? xD

Shhh little boy the adults are talking.

[mOgliE]

Shhh little boy the adults are talking.

DUDE you're actually talking about an organized effort against antivaxx on social media xD
How do you want us to not just... Laugh?

[TECSHARE]

Shhh little boy the adults are talking.

DUDE you're actually talking about an organized effort against antivaxx on social media xD
How do you want us to not just... Laugh?

Russian bots are a big problem though right? You are pathetically clueless as to the functioning of the world around you. Maybe you are better off not realizing the world is not as it presents itself.

[Astargath]

Shhh little boy the adults are talking.

DUDE you're actually talking about an organized effort against antivaxx on social media xD
How do you want us to not just... Laugh?

Russian bots are a big problem though right? You are pathetically clueless as to the functioning of the world around you. Maybe you are better off not realizing the world is not as it presents itself.

The way I see it is: I personally do not believe in massive global conspiracies, pretty much ever. I don't think there is one here where a lot of people are organized to kill a lot of people on purpose through vaccines. However it's true that big corporations always do anything to make money, pushing for certain vaccines that might not have all the necessary safety tests is not something that would surprise me, however I also know that vaccines do work, some of them at least, we have eradicated deadly diseases with them, yes, perhaps they weren't 100% safe but it's saving 100m people vs a few people having side effects. When we are talking about other vaccines that are not about super deadly spreading diseases then yes, they might not be the best.

The truth is that we will never know the whole truth of these things unless any of us knows a lot of powerful people. 

[BADecker]

Shhh little boy the adults are talking.

DUDE you're actually talking about an organized effort against antivaxx on social media xD
How do you want us to not just... Laugh?

Russian bots are a big problem though right? You are pathetically clueless as to the functioning of the world around you. Maybe you are better off not realizing the world is not as it presents itself.

The way I see it is: I personally do not believe in massive global conspiracies, pretty much ever. I don't think there is one here where a lot of people are organized to kill a lot of people on purpose through vaccines. However it's true that big corporations always do anything to make money, pushing for certain vaccines that might not have all the necessary safety tests is not something that would surprise me, however I also know that vaccines do work, some of them at least, we have eradicated deadly diseases with them, yes, perhaps they weren't 100% safe but it's saving 100m people vs a few people having side effects. When we are talking about other vaccines that are not about super deadly spreading diseases then yes, they might not be the best.

The truth is that we will never know the whole truth of these things unless any of us knows a lot of powerful people.  

Except that nobody knows this for sure, because it's hard to predict the outcome for something that was not done. What something? Letting a disease run its course. Further, by not letting a disease run its course, who knows how many other diseases that would have been destroyed by the first one running its course, have been allowed to flourish?


Did you ever notice that the great spread of technology happened after the first vaccinations started? Sure, there was some spread of technology before, but the great spread has come after. And now we are able to destroy the world with our technology, and we just might do it if we are not careful.

In other words, who knows that if "curing" diseases through vaccination, did not cause the rise of technology - which has its good points - but might be the reason that we will all destroyed in the near future. In just the same way that we do not clearly understand all the bad illnesses that are caused as an aftermath of vaccination, so we do not see clearly if vaccination is destroying the world or not. Post-vaccination illnesses might be far greater, and wider spread than we think.

How do we know that they are not? We don't know, because we are only doing the first of the long-term studies, now. And the first few serious, long term studies into how bad the side-effects of vaccinations are, are showing us that vaccines just might be devastatingly bad in the long run... way worse than if we had let a few people die.


Telling people that vaccines are safe, when there have really been no long term studies done to prove safety, is some of the worst illness around. If they would inject all the medical people with truth serum vaccine, people would reject vaccines in short order.

[tvbcof]

Shhh little boy the adults are talking.

DUDE you're actually talking about an organized effort against antivaxx on social media xD
How do you want us to not just... Laugh?

Russian bots are a big problem though right? You are pathetically clueless as to the functioning of the world around you. Maybe you are better off not realizing the world is not as it presents itself.

Or maybe 'we' would be better off...as nasty as that sounds.

The 'scientifically minded', including the people who's offspring have access to the 'finest institutions of learning' have described a perfectly valid hypothesis that Darwin's principle of 'survival of the fittest' fails under a welfare state, or at least that 'fitness' means vastly different things under such a society than it has historically.

If 'injections' is being used as a tool to modulate the behavior and impact of the sea of useless eaters, as proposed by Bertrand Russell, then the tiny minority who recognize the (long ago proposed) methods and take pains to avoid them will be 'selected for'.

In a struggle between the 'elite' who actively damaged a vast swath of society and the 'elite' who argued against doing so, I'd rather be on the side of the latter.  This for both ethical and tactical reasons.

[BADecker]

^^^ A point in addition is:

Look throughout nature. Where do you find "puncturing of skin" and "injections" in nature?

Bee stings.
Snake venom.
Spider bites.
Sea creature stabs.
Thorn and thistle stabs.

Do any of these ever produce anything but pain or death for the victim?

One might say that people injecting other people are doing it for good, not for bad, like nature. Perhaps that's their desire. But are people smart enough to really know what they are doing?

Consider. The Hunza's - https://www.gaia.com/article/hunza-people-longevity-health-secrets - live much longer naturally than the medical can do for the rest of us. And the natives of Vilcabamba, Ecuador, similar. Science isn't smart enough to give us even 200 years of life. So, why would they be smart enough to give us safe vaccination processes, when all of nature gives us deadly stabs? Now, when we are finding out that vaccines aren't safe, why don't they stop?

[tvbcof]

^^^ A point in addition is:

Look throughout nature. Where do you find "puncturing of skin" and "injections" in nature?

Bee stings.
Snake venom.
Spider bites.
Sea creature stabs.
Thorn and thistle stabs.

Do any of these ever produce anything but pain or death for the victim?

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All animal's bodies and physiology evolve over millions of years to deal with common threats which are a factor in their life-ways.  It's not worth the 'waste' to deal with corner case threats.

'Injection' is an uncommon threat for most humans for most of history.  Not so much for a honey badger which tangles with vipers a number of times in it's life.  These creatures are 'on the path' toward being able to deal with a certain type of injected toxin.  Much more so than we.  

Evolutionarily speaking, the particular 'brood of vipers' that we tangle with regularly are a relatively new phenomenon.  As a species, our 'bodies and minds' are still playing catch-up.

Humans have a well developed gut to deal with environmental hazards such as aluminum.  Injecting something into the blood stream is VASTLY different than having it pass through the digestive process.  Vax pushing media darlings such as Dr. Paul Offit are completely aware of this principle, but they deliberately mis-infom in the mainstream media when they say how 'little' aluminum is in vaccines vs. how much we end up eating and thus not to worry about it.

Why does Dr. Paul Offit spread such mis-information to the scientifically illiterate masses?  Why is he given the platform to do so?  Is it only 'just the money', or is there something more to it?