Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[DeanShow]

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

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[BADecker]

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Vaccination doesn't just happen in nature, even in poor countries. Along with vaccination comes a whole lot of information from the "vaccinizers" to the poor people about how to change their hygiene. There is no "exact" study to show how much hygiene alone might affect a poor population. There is no study to show how much harm is done in other areas than the specific areas being vaccinated for... in poor countries. Because these studies don't exist, there is no way to state your statements factually.

In other words, we don't know how much the vaccines bring health, and how much other "incidentals" bring health, and how much vaccines do damage in other ways.

The medical is supposed to do studies along these lines, but studies that make sense just haven't been done, or aren't being revealed.

[BADecker]

American Academy of Pediatrics declares "no science" needed to prove ...

After publicly declaring that all vaccines are safe and not linked to autism, the American Academy of Pediatrics refused to provide a single shred of scientific evidence to support their claims. Even more laughably, the AAP said that there' no need to provide any evidence at all, since the safety of vaccines is assumed to be true. Thus, who needs science when there's such a widespread feeling of certainty?

This is the sad state of the abandonment of science by the entire medical establishment, which now employs troll farms to viciously smear and attack any person who refuses to mindlessly worship the "Religion of Vaccines." Vaccines are uniquely declared exempt from all scientific scrutiny — or even any convincing, legitimate evidence of safety — based entirely on the woo woo feelings of vaccine promoters whose actions resemble psychopathic cult members more than defenders of legitimate science.

Read this astonishing report by Jeremy Hammond from JeremyHammond.com to understand more:

American Academy of Pediatrics Refuses to Back Vaccine Claims with Science

When asked whether it could provide studies to support specific claims it made about vaccine safety, the American Academy of Pediatrics ultimately declined.

On January 10, 2017, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) issued a press release to express its opposition to a federal commission that has been proposed by the Trump administration to examine vaccine safety and efficacy. The AAP argues that since we already know that vaccines are safe and effective, therefore there is no need for further examination into their safety and efficacy.

This argument, however, begs the question — it presumes in the premise the proposition to be proven (the petitio principii fallacy). And the press release itself illustrates why, apart from the question of whether there should be a federal commission, critical examination of public vaccine policy is very much warranted.

In its press release, among other things, the AAP stated that:

Vaccines prevent cancer.

Claims that vaccines are linked to autism "have been disproven by a robust body of medical literature".

Claims that vaccines "are unsafe when administered according to the [CDC's] recommended schedule" have likewise "been disproven by a robust body of medical literature".

According to the AAP, its own claims are backed by solid science. Yet when asked whether it could provide citations from the medical literature to support its claims, the AAP first failed to do so, then essentially offered a "No comment" when pressed for a comment about its failure to do so.

Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-07-american-academy-of-pediatrics-declares-no-science-needed-to-prove-vaccines-are-safe-because-they-believe.html.

[BADecker]

Anti-Vaccine Activists Spark a State's Worst Measles Outbreak in Decades

The young mother started getting advice early on from friends in the close-knit Somali immigrant community here. Don't let your children get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella – it causes autism, they said.

Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her three-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota's largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades.

Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and cough, was hospitalised for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.

"I thought: 'I'm in America. I thought I'm in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,' " said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade.

Growing up in Somalia, she'd had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age three.

Read more at http://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state-s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.


 

[Lieldoryn]

Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

[BADecker]

Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

You didn't look closely at the article just above your post? "Knit Somali immigrant community" who probably don't have good hygiene, and certainly not benefits of vitamins and other good nutrition.

Get the nutrition and hygiene you need, and you won't need vaccines that threaten your life in other ways.

[GreenBits]

Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

You didn't look closely at the article just above your post? "Knit Somali immigrant community" who probably don't have good hygiene, and certainly not benefits of vitamins and other good nutrition.

Get the nutrition and hygiene you need, and you won't need vaccines that threaten your life in other ways.

BAD, I'm disappointed in you, you're making assumptions

Because they are Somali immigrants, they most likely don't have good hygiene and proper nutrition?

These immigrants were all located in Minnesota, a part of modern day America, and aren't all first generation. Let's examine a different article on the same topic I posted a little earlier:

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/measles-sweeps-an-immigrant-community-targeted-by-anti-vaccine-activists/

Somali children living in Minnesota once had vaccination rates as high as or higher than their peers, said Kris Ehresmann, director of the Minnesota Department of Health's division of infectious disease epidemiology, prevention, and control.

But in 2008, Somali-American parents started to notice that lots of their children were enrolled in the school system's special program for children on the autism spectrum. They were alarmed; many did not recall seeing cases of autism before coming to the United States.

This community seems pretty Americanized, they were even attending community health events where people were selling them on not getting vaccinated. Shit, I've never been to a community health event myself, but, that might just be my failing Moving on:

A perception started to take hold in the community that something had changed. Non-Somalis who oppose the MMR vaccine fed the fear with frequent trips to speak to parents. The discredited British doctor Andrew Wakefield - who first proposed a link between vaccines and autism in a study later found to be fraudulent - has come to speak to this community at least twice, Ehresmann said.

The result: Only 41 percent of Somali children in Minnesota in the 24-to-35-month age range have received MMR vaccine, she said.

"What's very striking is that when you look at before and after that point in time, and you can see the impact that the anti-vaccine groups have had on the community," Ehresmann said.

I gotta figure out that text in box thing you do BAD, it looks so much more fetch than the bold I use.
But anyway, just food for thought, I'm not coming at you.

[Elwar]

Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

We are fighting for our own health. Stricter and stricter laws are continuously passed to force vaccinations on those that do not want it.

Can you see who benefits from pro-vaccination? Can you even consider that maybe...just maybe...all of the paid research and lobbying done benefits the pharmacy companies? Would it at least be fair to be allowed to sue if something goes wrong?

[Alfa123]

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.

[Winchester2211]

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.

How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.

[Elwar]

As long as the pro-vaxxers don't infect me through laws with their health choices.

[Prohodimec]

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.

How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.

The epidemic affects everyone, but sometimes it is stubborn to vaccinate because you can not be sure that you will be stabbed.

[Forester618]

I am sure that the company is on antivaccinia is an attempt to reduce the earth's population. Who can it be profitable? Even if a person does not believe in the conspiracy theory worth considering. The facts speak otherwise.

[BADecker]

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.

How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.

How can you not understand that if your immune system is strong, you can't catch it. Immunization weakens the immune system. Nutrition strengthens the immune system.

[btvlGainer]

Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years. Modern medicine increased the lifespan by at least 5 times. Isolated incidents can't be used as an argument against mass vaccination.

Vaccination is definitely good. In poor countries where no vaccination is constantly going on in the epidemic. Isn't that the best proof? Probably the one who organized the anti-vaccine company wants to create an epidemic.

Yes, much depends on the conditions of life. People who live with good hygiene and receive adequate nutrition can do without vaccination, but where there is no good hygiene without vaccination, an epidemic can begin that will lead to mass death.

How can you not understand that regardless of the conditions in which you live you can always catch it from one who lives in the worst conditions. The epidemic of not looking at the conditions of your life. She just amazes everyone.

How can you not understand that if your immune system is strong, you can't catch it. Immunization weakens the immune system. Nutrition strengthens the immune system.

I agree. If a good immune system, then it can not hit the virus. Previously, people were sick not because of the lack of a vaccine, but because of poor nutrition and lack of hygiene.

[Xester]

Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated:
Guess who is Sicker?





It's never been done before. The first-of-its-kind study of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. American homeschooled children shows who is really ailing…and parents should be worried.

Something is wrong with America's children. They are sick – allergic, asthmatic, anxious, autoimmune, autistic, hyperactive, distracted and learning disabled. Thirty-two million American children – a full 43% of them – suffer from at least one of 20 chronic illnesses not including obesity. Across the board, once rare pediatric disorders from autism and ADD to Type 1 diabetes and Tourette's syndrome are soaring, though few studies pool the data. Compared to their parents, children today are four times more likely to have a chronic illness. And while their grandparents might never have swallowed a pill as children, the current generation of kids is a pharmaceutical sales rep's dream come true: More than one million American children under five years old takes a psychiatric drug. More than 8.3 million kids under 17 have consumed psychiatric drugs, and in any given month one in four is taking at least one prescription drug for something.

Fast food, bad genes, too much TV, video games, pesticides, plastics – name the environmental factor and it has been implicated in the surge of sickness, although none adequately explains the scale or scope of the epidemic. There is one exposure, however, that has evaded the search, despite that children have received it by direct injection in steadily accumulating doses far beyond anything past generations ever saw: 50 doses of 14 vaccines by age six, 69 doses of 16 pharmaceutical vaccines containing powerfully immune-altering ingredients by age 18.

We're assured vaccines are "safe and effective" even though public health officials acknowledge they sometimes have serious side-effects including death and despite the troubling fact that no long-term study of their effects on overall health has ever been conducted.  Remarkably, not a single published study has ever compared vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids to see who is healthier years after the shots. Until now.

A pilot study of 666 homeschooled six to 12-year-olds from four American states published on April 27th in the Journal of Translational Sciences, compared 261 unvaccinated children with 405 partially or fully vaccinated children, and assessed their overall health based on their mothers' reports of vaccinations and physician-diagnosed illnesses. What it found about increases in immune-mediated diseases like allergies and neurodevelopmental diseases including autism, should make all parents think twice before they ever vaccinate again:

*Vaccinated children were more than three times as likely to be diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum (OR 4.3)

*Vaccinated children were 30-fold more likely to be diagnosed with allergic rhinitis (hay fever) than non-vaccinated children

* Vaccinated children were 22-fold more likely to require an allergy medication than unvaccinated children

*Vaccinated children had more than quadruple the risk of being diagnosed with a learning disability than unvaccinated children (OR 5.2)

Vaccine ingredients are known to cause brain damage. Robert Kennedy Jr. has been highlighting the dangers of mercury as thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines and its relationship to autism.


Read more at http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker.

Well there are vaccines that are really helpful but sometimes it can be harmful and the reason is that the child who had a vaccination I guess has weak immune system. Vaccines are weakened virus and bacteria that causes a disease but the moment your body weakens those pathogens have recovered and will take over your system rendering you sickly and infected.

[Mometaskers]

Anti-Vaccine Activists Spark a State's Worst Measles Outbreak in Decades

The young mother started getting advice early on from friends in the close-knit Somali immigrant community here. Don't let your children get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella – it causes autism, they said.

Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her three-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota's largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades.

Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and cough, was hospitalised for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.

"I thought: 'I'm in America. I thought I'm in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,' " said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade.

Growing up in Somalia, she'd had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age three.

Read more at http://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaccine-activists-spark-a-state-s-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.


 

Herd immunity only work if a significant portion is immune. This helps slow down the rate of transmission if the few who are not vaccinated do get sick. Also, nutrition is not enough to fight off every transmittable diseases. For example, even a healthy person would still probably catch ebola.

Now about measles, if I'd vaccinate my child against one disease only, that would be measles. Measles weakens the immune system, and also has the quirk of somehow wiping out the patient's built up resistances. For example, if you already got chickenpox and so became immune to it, getting measles would somehow make your body "forget" it already got chickenpox before, meaning you can be infected with it again.

[Nathan047]

I would like to point out the fact that if home schoolers have are less likely to have thing like ADHD or Autism it may have to do with other things in their environment and not at all with their lower levels of vaccinations.

My question to anti vaccination people: Would you rather get autism or some disease that you could have been vaccinated against (even thought there's no scientific evidence that you could get autism or something of the like from a vaccine)?

PS: I was home schooled and I got all my vaccinations.

[daiyuba1971]

I would like to point out the fact that if home schoolers have are less likely to have thing like ADHD or Autism it may have to do with other things in their environment and not at all with their lower levels of vaccinations.

My question to anti vaccination people: Would you rather get autism or some disease that you could have been vaccinated against (even thought there's no scientific evidence that you could get autism or something of the like from a vaccine)?

PS: I was home schooled and I got all my vaccinations.

I believe that the necessary vaccinations must be obtained even if you observe hygiene and eat well. Some vitamins can not withstand different viruses and medicine specifically develops a vaccine to protect against disease.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I would like to point out the fact that if home schoolers have are less likely to have thing like ADHD or Autism it may have to do with other things in their environment and not at all with their lower levels of vaccinations.

My question to anti vaccination people: Would you rather get autism or some disease that you could have been vaccinated against (even thought there's no scientific evidence that you could get autism or something of the like from a vaccine)?

PS: I was home schooled and I got all my vaccinations.

I believe that the necessary vaccinations must be obtained even if you observe hygiene and eat well. Some vitamins can not withstand different viruses and medicine specifically develops a vaccine to protect against disease.

This. Those critters evolved to exploit their host, of course they have various ways of evading the immune system. Which is why I just can't imagine what the thought process of antivaxxers are. I don't know if they're coming from a position of religiosity or a general distrust of the world. They really remind me of flat-earthers.