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April 29, 2013, 06:59:24 PM
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Then issue a tweet saying it is impossible. Please do not assume the role of deciding the pr people and then abandon your newfound duties.

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April 29, 2013, 07:00:03 PM
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In the EU we have unambiguous regulations regarding storing third-party content: provider must delete offending content within given term (I don't remember how long it is exactly, may be 24 hours) after official notice received. He will be guilty only if fails to do this.
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April 29, 2013, 07:00:43 PM
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Once we have a definitive answer. Please have gavin or someone else issue a counter tweet

Why should they bother just because someone started rumour that's not even possible.

It's possible to embed any text message to a transaction, as in Satoshi's famous genesis block quote "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2013/04/bitcoin-as-a-publishing-system-from-wikileaks-to-pedophile-links.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

Evidently this now exists,  and I cannot (nor do I want to) see it..  I just believe that our libertiarain FFA that we got going on here needs to allow for market forces to fix this problem.    If you want my opinion,  this justifies AS MUCH effort as the blockchain split a few months ago.


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April 29, 2013, 07:01:08 PM
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The blockchain doesn't store links or text it only stores address and stuff.  So unless they had bitcoin-qt used on an IP address of a illegal website I can't see how it can be in the blockchain.  Then all it means is an IP address has been saved.  IP addresses aren't created for any website in particular.  

It can store any data.

Yeah in binary if you gonna send millions of 0.00000001 tx's.

No. Take a look at https://blockchain.info/tx/b34de232518e704370da916439bd3de35b3f9a6e3b1346a2adfdcb233b7bebbf. See the text message?
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April 29, 2013, 07:01:50 PM
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Some troll claimed to do this a long time ago, when he threatened the forum with... something. I don't know if this is the same claim. Regardless, it's not possible to store an image in the blockchain unless you spend a lot of money mining many many blocks that store text that, when put together, make up an image. And even then, it's not stored in any easy-to-access way. His claim was pretty much BS, anyway. I suspect this one is too.

As for bad PR, internet is full of illegal stuff, including CP. I don't see people stopping using internet because it has bad things on it.

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April 29, 2013, 07:02:55 PM
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My god how arrogant are you people? You are just begging for a fork?

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April 29, 2013, 07:04:19 PM
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The blockchain doesn't store links or text it only stores address and stuff.  So unless they had bitcoin-qt used on an IP address of a illegal website I can't see how it can be in the blockchain.  Then all it means is an IP address has been saved.  IP addresses aren't created for any website in particular.  

It can store any data.

Yeah in binary if you gonna send millions of 0.00000001 tx's.

No. Take a look at https://blockchain.info/tx/b34de232518e704370da916439bd3de35b3f9a6e3b1346a2adfdcb233b7bebbf. See the text message?

Don't want to if its CP but hey rather than ban bitcoin I've got a better idea just ban the internet that'll stop online crime.  I can see this being used to slur bitcoin but not stop it.

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April 29, 2013, 07:07:16 PM
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I don't want kiddie porn on my machine.  period.

Technically WE ALL would be violating all sorts of laws...  some idiot just spread his porn links to what...  20-30 million people?

Idiots on Reddit down voted it... thinking that if it goes away on Reddit then it's safe...  this is JUST the excuse authorities need to crash down people's doors and say "He was storing kiddie porn on his computer"  and paint bitcoin in the light just with the headlines alone.





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April 29, 2013, 07:08:52 PM
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This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

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April 29, 2013, 07:09:03 PM
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it is possible to embed nearly anything anywhere... this is not a problem.

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April 29, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
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This is just amazing to me

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April 29, 2013, 07:10:19 PM
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This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

Dare to explain this to a prosecutor?
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April 29, 2013, 07:12:57 PM
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This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

Dare to explain this to a prosecutor?

Dude the second a cop breaks down your door and hauls you and your machine away,  a week later the headlines would be "Bitcoin User found with kiddie porn"


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April 29, 2013, 07:13:22 PM
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121130/07495221185/tor-exit-node-operator-charged-with-distributing-child-porn.shtml

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April 29, 2013, 07:14:24 PM
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This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

Dare to explain this to a prosecutor?

I think you'd be more likely to get done for using Tor.  As there is loads of CP in there and if your acting as a relay.  Plus you don't need to download the blockchain if you don't want and you can still use bitcoin just fine.  I use bitcoin every day and not had the blockchain on my computer since 2011.

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April 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
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This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

Dare to explain this to a prosecutor?

Fortunately a prosecutor is not the judge or jury.  And even with how unpredictable juries can be, I can't imagine them sending Mrs. Smith the elementary school teacher to prison for possession of child porn when all she wanted to do was get a good deal on a new laptop at BitcoinStore.com and downloaded some software to help her get it.  Besides, a spammer can send child porn to your e-mail inbox any day of the week, and you might already have child porn in your junk folder right now.  How is this any different?

What happens if one embeds that same information into the DNA of a common weed like a dandelion and starts spreading the seeds around?  Does everyone with a front lawn suddenly become in possession of child porn?

Less futuristic, how about if someone starts throwing cannabis seeds by the thousands out the window of a small airplane on a rainy spring day.  Somebody could do this today.  Come summer, the news will be reporting about how there's been a mysterious crop of marijuana showing up in the yards of everyday families.  Is a jury going to send them all to jail?

Yes I recognize the legal system(s) are often unpredictable and unfair animals.  But this is how I look at it: if they want to challenge Bitcoin, there are smarter ways for them to do it than this.

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April 29, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
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it is possible to embed nearly anything anywhere... this is not a problem.

Any document of size already has CP and any other nefarious data one can name embedded in it from the start.  One just needs to develop and publish a formulation to pull it out.

For instance, I could publish a formula to:

 - open public document 2013_tax_code.pdf in a hex editor.
 - take the byte at address 2398743
 - add the byte ad address 1839874
 - add the byte at addresss 82321
 - etc, etc
 - save them all as nasty_dirty.jpg
 - open your prize with an image viewer of your choice.


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April 29, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
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Less futuristic, how about if someone starts throwing cannabis seeds by the thousands out the window of a small airplane on a rainy spring day.  Somebody could do this today.  Come summer, the news will be reporting about how there's been a mysterious crop of marijuana showing up in the yards of everyday families.  Is a jury going to send them all to jail?

You're assuming that this neighborhood isn't somewhat targeted already.    As bitcoin users we are already under the wrong light...   

The headline in that case would be "Known Drug Dealing Neighborhood suddenly sprouts large crop of cannabis "


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April 29, 2013, 07:25:29 PM
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This is so silly. Anything could be injected to the blockchain. Who cares? Noone's going to decipher it or be able to prove people other than the originator guilty.

Dare to explain this to a prosecutor?

Fortunately a prosecutor is not the judge or jury.  And even with how unpredictable juries can be, I can't imagine them sending Mrs. Smith the elementary school teacher to prison for possession of child porn when all she wanted to do was get a good deal on a new laptop at BitcoinStore.com and downloaded some software to help her get it.  Besides, a spammer can send child porn to your e-mail inbox any day of the week, and you might already have child porn in your junk folder right now.  How is this any different?

What happens if one embeds that same information into the DNA of a common weed like a dandelion and starts spreading the seeds around?  Does everyone with a front lawn suddenly become in possession of child porn?

Less futuristic, how about if someone starts throwing cannabis seeds by the thousands out the window of a small airplane on a rainy spring day.  Somebody could do this today.  Come summer, the news will be reporting about how there's been a mysterious crop of marijuana showing up in the yards of everyday families.  Is a jury going to send them all to jail?

Yes I recognize the legal system(s) are often unpredictable and unfair animals.  But this is how I look at it: if they want to challenge Bitcoin, there are smarter ways for them to do it than this.

U r talking about unwitting cases. But if u downloaded that letter and did NOT delete it, then u will be put in jail.
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April 29, 2013, 07:26:59 PM
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You can (in theory) embed any information in the block chain. But you need a way to encode this into transactions. And to view the information you need a way to decode these transactions.
And there's no possible way to stop people from doing this. Everyone can send a couple of thousand transactions which, when decoded correctly, add up to an image.


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