VOTE * Do you believe in "Intellectual Property" laws?

[gondes21]

Intellectual Property is an innovation, something new. A person can make money or other benefit with it.
It is also about recognition. People need to be appreciated for their work.

Those two things are really important, so government should have law to regulate IP.

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[warrior333]

I'm not against intellectual property, but the use of pirated software and the replicas help the people in poor countries to have what they could never afford to buy the original. It's against global rules, but this is the only chance.

[gentlemand]

I do.

It takes time and investment to create and those creators should be compensated. Certain ideas can't become reality without substantial backing. If that backing loses out then we're all the poorer for it.

[nfcmgjh]

I do.

It takes time and investment to create and those creators should be compensated. Certain ideas can't become reality without substantial backing. If that backing loses out then we're all the poorer for it.

That is a myth.

If intellectual property laws had started 5,000 years ago we would have virtually none of what we have today. The greatest inventions and art would have been confined to small circles while the world would have been blanketed by superficial crap.

I don't understand people like you. What makes people like you always take the side of the most powerful lobby on every issue, even when their arguments make no sense? Do you really believe that stifling creativity using economic penalties will make people have better ideas or create more? Do you really believe that if powerful lobbies are not allowed to control art, technology etc then there will be no more development?

Here is what happens when you use money to define the bounds of development. These articles from last week about one common medical procedure that has been performed for decades and which will not substantially decline because of these articles.

Note this article tries to discredit the news
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2017/05May/Pages/Keyhole-knee-surgery-is-waste-of-time-review-finds.aspx

While this one give facts
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7312797-millions-of-health-dollars-wasted-on-useless-surgery-researcher/

Most people 'get' the message that the purpose of science, and art, according to people like you, is to make money. Patenting and acknowledging ip rights gives the stamp of approval to mediocrity, like the old snake oil salesmen whose patented products didn't need to actually do anything, they were patented after all.  

Regarding the two articles above, ask yourself why the NHS would take the side of minimizing that news.   

[giantdragon]

I think it is time to show protest against greedy corporations and IP laws they have lobbied by stopping buying movies, music and software! You can download Torrents anonymously through credible VPN like Mullvad or AirVPN, corporations won't be able to stop you and drop their greed finally!

[gentlemand]

That is a myth.

So what of the drugs that save lives and take decades and billions of dollars to develop? Where's the incentive for anyone or anything to take the long view and do all that work for zero return?

Similarly there's no way I'd ever bother making a film or writing a book if entitled little shits decided my work had no value and just nicked it. I'll go and do something that will reward for me for my time.

That's a trade. If you were a plumber I wouldn't expect you to work for nothing.

Times that by an entire planet and it looks like a rather more desolate place.

[giantdragon]

So what of the drugs that save lives and take decades and billions of dollars to develop? Where's the incentive for anyone or anything to take the long view and do all that work for zero return?

Not so long ago governments financed fundamental research. If we will kick out market fundamentalists from the power, a tax increase for the corporations will be enough to fund these developments.

Similarly there's no way I'd ever bother making a film or writing a book if entitled little shits decided my work had no value and just nicked it. I'll go and do something that will reward for me for my time.

For movies, music and books crowdfunding model can be used. You have some idea about good movie? People like it and want to watch, movie theaters want to make profit from showing it. Anyone will know that if requested amount won't be collected, there won't be this movie at all. So people who are interested in this film will gladly make a voluntary contribution to the film maker. Of course this model fill work if no state-enforced (=imposed by corporations) copyright exist.

[PeterTheGrape]

That is a myth.

So what of the drugs that save lives and take decades and billions of dollars to develop? Where's the incentive for anyone or anything to take the long view and do all that work for zero return?

Similarly there's no way I'd ever bother making a film or writing a book if entitled little shits decided my work had no value and just nicked it. I'll go and do something that will reward for me for my time.

That's a trade. If you were a plumber I wouldn't expect you to work for nothing.

Times that by an entire planet and it looks like a rather more desolate place.

Who really are the 'entitled little shits'?

It isn't about getting paid for work, it's about not getting powerful lawyers to help you extort ridiculous profits and prevent use by others of an idea that developed from old ideas anyway.

Regarding drugs etc. 99.9999999% of good medicines have been invented not for profit, and 99.99999999% of the toxic high profit poison passed as medicine comes from biopharma slugs trying to produce new chemicals to keep their jobs.

Drugs and biotech should be developed at Universities, where ethics are not hidden so easily.

The most profitable commercial drug ever was Lipitor. It has taken many billions of dollars from people and given the money to big pharma to pay for more lawyers and lobbyists to promote their other drugs http://www.winknews.com/2017/04/26/are-cholesterol-and-blood-pressure-drugs-necessary/

Are expensive pharma drugs really doing that much for people? Would humans suddenly stop living long lives if Pfizer isn't treated like a handicapped child that needs every possible accommodation?

For pharma companies it isn't about developing drugs or helping people, it's about making money https://consumerist.com/2017/04/26/lawsuit-epipen-price-hikes-were-intended-to-keep-competitor-out-of-pharmacies/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-28/novo-nordisk-is-sued-over-diabetes-drug-sales-practices

http://www.theintelligencer.net/news/top-headlines/2017/01/west-virginia-drug-company-agrees-to-pay-record-150m-settlement/

http://legalnewsline.com/stories/511077670-teva-will-pay-519-million-in-doj-settlement-over-fcpa-allegations

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/key-officials-switch-sides-from-dea-to-pharmaceutical-industry/2016/12/22/55d2e938-c07b-11e6-b527-949c5893595e_story.html

https://www.popsugar.com/news/Victoria-Starr-Historic-Johnson-Johnson-Settlement-42944055

Universities might be interested in developing medicines that work. Pharmaceutical companies want cash and they will use all kinds of tricks to get it.

[PeterTheGrape]

If intellectual property laws had existed centuries ago, there would have been no such thing as https://www.yahoo.com/news/5-facts-antikythera-mechanism-070029207.html

[PeterTheGrape]

Another side of the same small mindedness.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/04/einstein-facts-science-genius/

In 1933, the FBI began keeping a dossier on Albert Einstein, shortly before his third trip to the U.S. This file would grow into 1,427 pages of documents focused on Einstein’s lifelong association with pacifist and socialist organizations. J. Edgar Hoover even recommended that Einstein be kept out of America by the Alien Exclusion Act, but he was overruled by the U.S. State Department.